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== This article is biased ==
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* The insinuation that the INC negotiated a deal with Arroyo is a clear indication of the author(s) bias.
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'''Previous discussions:'''
== Source not cited ==
* Please cite the source of this article. You are making serious charges againt the subject of the article, the least you can do is back it up with facts.
* http://www.newsflash.org/2003/05/pe/pe002860.htm


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__TOC__why is the spouse changed to his father? Is this an allusion to the verse you will be married to the one who made you? Just curious -mg
***Emico, is there a reason why you are so concerned about obtaining the IP addresses of anyone who posts something not to your approval?


== Manalo helped found AsCII? ==
== Unauthorized ==
* The writer of this article is not authorized by the subject, and the intention for this article is suspicious. Be wary of misinformation. (this contribution by ] - signature added by ] 00:51, 24 May 2005 (UTC))


<blockquote>He contributed to the founding of an organization within the INC called The Association of Christians in Information Technology(AsCII), an organization consisting of INC members in the ] field who perform computer-related assistance to the church.</blockquote>
* As with all autobiographical articles here at Misplaced Pages. --]]
*The only "misinformation" anyone should worry about would be that typed from Emico's fingers.--] 05:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
** Onlytofind; ]. --]]


Anybody have a source to who actually founded the organization, and how INC is involved? I checked the latest version of the site, and I couldn't find anything about how it started. Although the layout is new, and some of the content still says coming soon. I'll be checking on it from time to time. --]]]] 00:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
== Preliminary POV Edits ==
: I was able to find something which states that INC leaders were involved in it. --]]]] 09:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
* removed cult reference to INC
* removed references to nepotism
* AFAIK, he is not the AsCII president (that should be Efren Tercias)
* I've never heard AsCII downplay its connection with INC (I should know, I'm an AsCII member)
* created "Political Influence in the Philippines" (for lack of a better title) section and marked as section POV
The new section badly needs POV edits. The accusations that EVM held secret negotiations with Arroyo to avoid charges should go in the absence of proof. No proof likewise was given equating Defensor's "courtesy call" to INC's support for Arroyo in the elections.
Anybody care to do these? ] 02:50, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*I've already added two sources, from ABS-CBN News and the Philippine Inquirer about Defensor's phone call and the INC's endorsement of GMA's candidacy. I would like to hear everyone's opinions regarding those links, and if they suffice for that section.--] 22:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*Still, the "courtesy call" being associated with the decision to support her during the election ''is'' a POV. Politicians "visit" (''swarm?'') INC locales during elections, but do not always get the support. ] 03:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*The Inquirer and PCIJ have been at odds with the INC, with the INC suing the former for , and the latter publishing an article about INC's (which turned out to be a mistake ). I could hardly call those sources as "proofs". ] 03:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**It's common practice for the press to be at odds with influential organizations and people. Both PCIJ and the Inquirer have enough reputation as reputable news sources in order to be linked to and quoted. I would like to '''see a result as to the verdict of each case''', and if '''any of the stories were retracted''', which would show who's necessarily correct in each case and if they are truly biased or not. Also, wouldn't the INC have sued for libel already over the two stories linked to if they found it unfactual?--] 07:40, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


==POV Violations==
I'm not sure who wrote it first here, but I think the following are POV violations:
1. One supposedly a "member" saying they were "encouraged" to join the rally
2. A person saying he is a member is too dubious (or obviously) quoted to discredit the article
3. The quotes relate more to the Iglesia ni Cristo article rather than this (Eduardo Manalo) article


Forgive me if I'm being such a newbie here, but I think somebody here has an agenda against the Iglesia ni Cristo.
Because there isn't a dispute over a specific part of this article, only it's lack of sources, who feels the <nowiki>{{DisputeCheck}}</nowiki> template should be used instead? This template reads: ''"This article requires attention because it may contain inaccuracies. A Wikipedian has nominated this article to be checked for accuracy. Currently there may not be a specific dispute, but the content may need discussion on the talk page.'' --]]
* Done. The tag fits the article's status better. ] 05:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)


] 05:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
* And the absolute authority for it's accuracy is the subject of the article. --] 14:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Thank you for bringing up the issue, those are valid points. The CNN article states that the person ''is'' a member of INC. It would be a different story if the source wrote "A person claiming to be an INC member", but it doesn't and stating otherwise on this article is ]. I've always thought of that section to be more for the polictics section of the INC article. The only way its relevant here is Manalo's alleged involvement. But the way that paragraph is written makes the whole section sloppy. It presents a "on one hand it's this, and they say it's this, but on the other hand..." form of writing, which may become confusing or distracting from the main point. It should be cleaned up a bit --] ]]]]] 07:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
**That's not necessarily true. Do you think if Richard Nixon had authority over the Watergate article that it would be NPOV?--] 03:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Dear Sir, I have good reason to believe that you are a sockpuppet of ], who has been prohibited from editing this or any other ] related article.--] 05:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
::I don't know what "reason" you have to believe that, but you have no right to vandalize my user page, or everybody else's, just because you feel like doing so. ] 20:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Bye, Emico--] 05:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::You have been warned. ] (]) 19:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::::What are you going to do about it? You're not fooling anyone.--] (]) 22:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


== Defamation == == Lead section ==

Onlytofind, unless you can provide sources for your 'rebellion' allegation, do not use wikipedia to defame another person. --] 14:52, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just a short note regarding my recent edit to the lead sentences. To make it more consistent, I've decided to edit it such that:

#the first sentence contains information about Eduardo Manalo's current position alone, without referring to him assuming the next-higer post in an acting capacity (see next item); and
#attach the information regarding ] death to the next sentence. Why? Because this information is found in the news report I cited. In case you haven't read it, this is how the ABS-CBN news goes:

:::''In a sense, the change of leadership is actually a misnomer since Manalo’s son, Eduardo “Ka Eddie Boy,” 54, is expected to carry the torch and the family legacy.''

:::''The elder Manalo himself assumed as executive minister of the INC also after the death of his father, Felix, who founded the religious organization on July 27, 1914.''

:::''Sources close to the inner circle of Ka Erdie say the late religious leader had been grooming the younger Manalo for years, just like what Felix did to his son a generation ago.''

:::''Eduardo has been the INC’s deputy executive minister, or the "pangalawang tagapamahalang pangkalahatan," and his assumption as his father’s successor will be just a formality, says an INC member.''

(Note to new editors/casual visitors: There's no need to quote this ''in toto'' in the article itself as it's already linked via references.)

Comments, reactions...feel free to say them here now, let's discuss. Thanks. --- ] (]) 04:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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why is the spouse changed to his father? Is this an allusion to the verse you will be married to the one who made you? Just curious -mg

Manalo helped found AsCII?

He contributed to the founding of an organization within the INC called The Association of Christians in Information Technology(AsCII), an organization consisting of INC members in the Information Technology field who perform computer-related assistance to the church.

Anybody have a source to who actually founded the organization, and how INC is involved? I checked the latest version of the site, and I couldn't find anything about how it started. Although the layout is new, and some of the content still says coming soon. I'll be checking on it from time to time. --LBMixPro 00:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I was able to find something which states that INC leaders were involved in it. --LBMixPro 09:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

POV Violations

I'm not sure who wrote it first here, but I think the following are POV violations: 1. One supposedly a "member" saying they were "encouraged" to join the rally 2. A person saying he is a member is too dubious (or obviously) quoted to discredit the article 3. The quotes relate more to the Iglesia ni Cristo article rather than this (Eduardo Manalo) article

Forgive me if I'm being such a newbie here, but I think somebody here has an agenda against the Iglesia ni Cristo.

RasterBlaster 05:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing up the issue, those are valid points. The CNN article states that the person is a member of INC. It would be a different story if the source wrote "A person claiming to be an INC member", but it doesn't and stating otherwise on this article is speculation. I've always thought of that section to be more for the polictics section of the INC article. The only way its relevant here is Manalo's alleged involvement. But the way that paragraph is written makes the whole section sloppy. It presents a "on one hand it's this, and they say it's this, but on the other hand..." form of writing, which may become confusing or distracting from the main point. It should be cleaned up a bit --LBMixPro 07:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Sir, I have good reason to believe that you are a sockpuppet of User:Emico, who has been prohibited from editing this or any other Iglesia ni Cristo related article.--Ironbrew 05:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what "reason" you have to believe that, but you have no right to vandalize my user page, or everybody else's, just because you feel like doing so. RasterBlaster 20:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Bye, Emico--Ironbrew 05:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
You have been warned. RasterBlaster (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
What are you going to do about it? You're not fooling anyone.--Ironbrew (talk) 22:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Lead section

Just a short note regarding my recent edit to the lead sentences. To make it more consistent, I've decided to edit it such that:

  1. the first sentence contains information about Eduardo Manalo's current position alone, without referring to him assuming the next-higer post in an acting capacity (see next item); and
  2. attach the information regarding Ka Erdy's death to the next sentence. Why? Because this information is found in the news report I cited. In case you haven't read it, this is how the ABS-CBN news goes:
In a sense, the change of leadership is actually a misnomer since Manalo’s son, Eduardo “Ka Eddie Boy,” 54, is expected to carry the torch and the family legacy.
The elder Manalo himself assumed as executive minister of the INC also after the death of his father, Felix, who founded the religious organization on July 27, 1914.
Sources close to the inner circle of Ka Erdie say the late religious leader had been grooming the younger Manalo for years, just like what Felix did to his son a generation ago.
Eduardo has been the INC’s deputy executive minister, or the "pangalawang tagapamahalang pangkalahatan," and his assumption as his father’s successor will be just a formality, says an INC member.

(Note to new editors/casual visitors: There's no need to quote this in toto in the article itself as it's already linked via references.)

Comments, reactions...feel free to say them here now, let's discuss. Thanks. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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