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Proposed deletion of Μακεδονική επανάσταση του 1878

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Translations from Greek WP

Hello and thanks for your translations from the Greek WP! Be advised, however, that when you translate a page, you are required to add the {{Translated page}} template in the talk page, for reasons of copyright. You should also take some time and read the WP:MOS, as the English WP does things a little different to the Greek one, esp. with regards to the linking of dates. Likewise, when transliterating Greek names, βήτα is usually rendered into V, not B. Cheers, and keep it up! Constantine ✍ 10:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Borean languages

Hello, Antondimak. I looked carefully at the graph that you recently added to Borean languages, and I noted that "Demonic" is listed under "Egyptian". I assume that is a typo for "Demotic (Egyptian)"? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

• Probably. Antondimak (talk) 11:15, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Do you think you could fix the error? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't really know how to edit images like that. I'll try though. Antondimak (talk) 11:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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It has a source. Antondimak (talk) 12:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Petros Hatzitasis revert

You are probably right; I am stumbling around trying to improve these but I am stumbling around. I am working on the list of X2 articles at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/CXT/Pages_to_review, where I found it. From the rest of your user page it looks like you have other articles on that list; I know that there is a lot of stuff there about Greek patriarchs and Macedonian fighters. Now that I look, you are the author of Georgios Modis; I just removed kai from between two titles in Greek in that article. Mostly however my impression is that these articles are not bad work, not ideal perhaps but what is, and definitely better than nothing; but yes, I am clueless in the topic.

So please let me help you. First of all you are no doubt correct about the revert; that's fine. But you should know that anything that is still on the list on June 6 will be summarily deleted. If you want to keep these articles you should go through the list and use strike tags on the titles of the articles you want kept. I encourage you to do so as they look like good work to me that doesn't need all that much, but the work required for *me* to learn what I need to polish them is so high I have not done that myself (and there are a lot of other articles I am better able to take responsibility for).

So. Cross the articles off the list if you want to keep them. They are caught up in a discussion of the usefulness of machine translation and were identified as machine translation. I am in this discussion because I use machine translation (with other languages than Greek). Once you cross them off the best thing you can do to prevent other challenges on some other basis than "machine translation" is to add references where they are missing. In some cases also, having read a few, the context is unclear -- for example I found a navbar for a committee from the WW2 period and added it to all the bios whose names were on it, but I still don't really know what that committee was exactly, and likely the greek articles these bio were translated from don't make it clear because if you speak Greek you already know (?) That's my theory anyway; I have run into this in French Spanish and Portuguese, where I usually play.

Incidentally, a translation from another language, for complicated legal reasons,

• should*

(some people will say must) have a translated template on the talk page: {{translate|language|history version}} is the syntax, as I recall. This gives the article a provenance and gives you cover for some of the translated article's flaws from the point of view of the english wikipedia; no references or weak references for example. Affixing it means that you are attesting that the article is a representation of *this version* of the translated article, which may of course then diverge considerably from the state it was in when you translated it. Hope that helps and please feel free to ask me any questions that you may have, such as where to get the history version. Elinruby (talk) 23:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

How can I find my articles in there? Do I have to look at all 3602? Also how should I justify it? Do I just write that it isn't machine translation? Antondimak (talk) 10:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Antondimak: it's enough to say you don't think the translation is a problem. There will be an expectation that in what you strike will deal with any tags (like references) -- that is why I don't want to do them myself, plus I know nothing, nada, about the subject matter -- but I see you are continuing to work on these articles so yeah, get them off the list then continue doing what you were doing, working on the articles. Although feel please do feel free to do a couple of assessments while you are there if you want. I don't suppose you speak portuguese? or chinese or arabic? Feel free to ask any questions; I plan to be in wikipedia for several hours, I've been pretty absent for a few days Elinruby (talk) 02:05, 22 May 2017 (UTC) @Antondimak: you're doing it right. Just be ready to defend anything that is a translation of something that needed some work, or whatever. You might want to watch that page, in case. Thanks for getting those, that was a group I had identified as pretty good work about to get deleted. Elinruby (talk) 02:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Can I interest you?

If you like. If you don't, that is also fine. I did however notice that you took off a painting and I do have a bunch of those. If you struck that article about a painting because you like the painting and want to improve the article, that's fantastic. It's a beautiful painting and I think that was enough to get me to work on the article as well. However if that is the case I have to warn you that I found some really strange translation so ask you to carefully check the facts of the article as you work on it. Peace out. Elinruby (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Anastasios Pehion

Hello, you may still be planning to do so, but can you please add sources to this article? It looks like its source was another Wiki - if so, please put this is the article, but other Wikipedias are specifically mentioned at WP:RELIABLESOURCES as not reliable. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I am indeed planning to add sources as I will be translating the rest of the article. Antondimak (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Keraia

Please note that the correct diacritic is keraia. --Omnipaedista (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Merge conflicts

Hey there Antondimak. Please be careful with your edits on the talk pages, because you remove other people's comments due to merge conflicts. I don't know is 2017 wikitext editor warn you in case of conflicts. Thank you for your understanding. -- Despotak (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

It does notify occasionally in which case I copy my comment, cancel the edit, reload the page and post it again so it doesn't erase anything, but last time I did that it did anyway for some reason. So I reposted what I accidentally deleted only to, apparently, delete more comments in that same edit... (and it didn't notify me). Thank you for informing me and excuse me for any disruption I may have caused. Antondimak (talk) 21:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Celebration of the Greek Revolution

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Moving categories

Hello, please don't move category schemes by manually creating a new category page under your desired new name and then changing the category links in the articles, as you did in your move of Category:Macedonian awards to Category:North Macedonian awards. This breaks the page histories and makes things difficult to reconstruct. Renamings of categories should always be done via listing them at WP:CfD. Thanks, – Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. --Antondimak (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, please bear in mind that the entries in that particular category don't fall under the rules for "state-related entities", so there isn't actually an actionable consensus to change the name as you did. Please be careful about such issues. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:22, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I believe "awards" in this instance are state-related. They aren't an general concept related to Macedonian culture, but they are specifically "of the state", and are granted by it. In the other cases it was a noun frase (Macedonia-->North Macedonia), and that was decided even before the RFC. --Antondimak (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Didn't you look at the actual articles inside it? Only the subcategory Orders, decorations, and medals of North Macedonia‎ is state-related; apart from that the cat contains a literary festival, a church medal, a beauty competition and a "footballer of the year" title. None of these is a state institution. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I did look at the subcategories. "Macedonian literary awards" refer not to awards in literature written in the Macedonian language, but to literature awards in North Macedonia. The "Macedonian footballer of the year" doesn't refer to the footballer that is ethnically Macedonian, but to the one that is from North Macedonia, therefore excludes Macedonian diaspora but includes Macedonian Albanians, same for "Miss Macedonia". The "Order of the Holy Macedonian Cross" isn't related to the state or the ethnic group, but to the church, and if I had to choose I would say it tends more to the side of the state. All in all, I moved the category (with a process which I now understand is wrong), as out of the five subcategories in it one definitely was state-related, three were most probably state-related, and one slightly state-related, so as a whole it definitely belonged to that area. Notice I didn't rename any of the subcategories themselves, only the wider category which I didn't think it would be debatable to rename. --Antondimak (talk) 11:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but you really need to look up again what "state-related" means in the Prespa context. It doesn't mean "expressions referring to the state". It means "institutions established by law and/or financed by the state". Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

That's not what we used as "state-related" in the RFC though. We counted media in cases such as these using "North Macedonian" as state-related. --Antondimak (talk) 15:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Then you counted wrong. The wording of the RfC section was about "referring to state-associated entities, including governmental organisations and official ranks, as well as other public entities from North Macedonia as specified in Prespa agreement". Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

It wasn't just me. Actually I didn't contribute that much at this part, I ended putting under 10% of the links. If that's not how it should be counted there was a systemic problem that need to be addressed. --Antondimak (talk) 17:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		Thank you for your hard work on with the 2019 Macedonia Name RFC. We finally rewrote Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Macedonia), and I wanted to show my appreciation for you helping ensure that could happen with this barnstar. I am glad to have had the great pleasure to work with you! –MJL ‐Talk‐ 04:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Thank you very much! I was glad to help and to participate in the process. Despite all the tensity, I think everyone managed to cooperate amicably, and we ended up with a pretty thorough and balanced consensus, considering the importance of the topic. So I would also like to return the compliment to you and to everyone else that contributed. --Antondimak (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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Minor

Hi! Even if I disagree about the necessity of writing out the full RoM name, I am fine with your edits to Macedonia at the 1996 Summer Olympics and Macedonia at the 2008 Summer Olympics. What I am not so happy about, is that you are marking these edits as "Minor". Please read carefully WP:MINOR. Unless you consider my edits as vandalism (and I hope not), your partly reverts of my edits are definitely not minor. Please do not mark any edits as minor unless they are covered by the description in the section "When to mark as minor changes". Regards! --T*U (talk) 15:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oh sorry, I counted the originals as minor, because they were just a change in formatting, and forgot not to do that when changing it back. --Antondimak (talk) 18:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Macedonian National Theatre adjective

Dear,

Please visit the following link containing all adjectival changes to institutions. https://vlada.mk/sites/default/files/dokumenti/lista_na_institucii_so_nov_naziv_-_republika_severna_makedonija.pdf

Under 28) you can clearly see the Macedonian National Theatre has kept the adjective. No changes have been made due to the significance of the Theatre to the cultural heritage of the Macedonians.

Regards,

Alright then. That was a sneaky way to bypass the agreement. --Antondimak (talk) 21:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you happen to know why the Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts isn't mentioned? It's a state entity, isn't it? --Antondimak (talk) 21:34, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Macedonian Radio Television

Hello there. It seems you have taken quite the interest in renaming Macedonian Radio Television when such a renaming hasn't occurred. Repeated edits like these without providing credible sources that these name changes have occurred are technically vandalism. If you have some kind of other motive for renaming these articles, please put them aside and respect that Misplaced Pages functions by citing accurate information from credible sources. Pickette (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

There was a discussion about this renaming a while back in the "North Macedonia" talk page. I have now also put the source provided there in the article. I reverted a change which happened without discussion, and which to me seems wrong. --Antondimak (talk) 08:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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Commenting your category changes

Hi, specially on WP:BLP articles, it'd be much appreciated if you'd comment your category changes in a little more detail, e.g. "specialising category" – the explanation need not be long but it does need to be clear. The article in question is regularly being messed about by nationalists trying to make a point so if you don't want to be mixed up with such folk and have your edits regularly reverted, please take care to explain your edits. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I've been restructuring the whole "Greek people by location" category and its subcategories, so entailed a lot of minor edits, so I haven't been commenting the changes unless they are especially confusing, but if it's going to help I'll do so more often. --Antondimak (talk) 13:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Independent Group of Anogreia

You're right! :D It was along with Michalis Xilouris. Pavlos1988 (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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Efi Thodi

We have to follow Misplaced Pages, which tells me Agrafa (municipality) now includes Vrangiana. If you think that is wrong you need to edit the article. Rathfelder (talk) 16:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

This is a different village under the same name. The article says Vrangiana, Karditsa. Karditsa and Agrafa are different places. I will repost the government document showing the village of Vrangiana under the municipality (now named municipal unit) of Acheloos in the article's talk page. --Antondimak (talk) 16:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

You need to edit the articles, not just post documents. But regardless none of these places have enough articles to justify a category of "People from". Rathfelder (talk) 16:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

There is no need to edit the article. It says she's from Vrangiana, Karditsa, and that's what it's been saying for a long time. This is more than enough specification, since the other Vrangiana isn't in Karditsa. You have twice challenged that Vrangiana is in Acheloos, confusing it with another village under the same name. I provided the document both times to prove the geography, and that there are two villages under this name. These types of categories (municipal units) are constantly expanding. Category:People from Almyros (municipality), which was considered for merging with its single sub-category last time, now has 4 subcategories, one of them with 5 articles, which you told me was the general threshold. SMALLCAT says the categories have to be static. Deleting them means that I will just have to recreate them soon after when there will be enough articles. The reason SMALLCAT says that is to avoid deletions exactly such as this one. --Antondimak (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

By the way, to understand why I'm now suspicious, William Allen Simpson claims to just haven't seen the word "Vrangiana", believing the template only wrote Karditsa. He claimed the same for many articles in other categories as he systematically removed their members and then tagged them as empty. --Antondimak (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The only mention of Vrangiana in the encyclopedia says it is in Agrafa (municipality). If you say there is another one you had better write an article about it. The reference says she comes from Mikra Vragkiana. But a much better strategy would be to put the articles into regional categories until there are enough to break down into individual municipalities. Rathfelder (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

So we need an article for every little village in Greece just so we can categorise biographies properly? The article clearly states Vrangiana, Karditsa. Since Agrafa and Karditsa are in different areas, it's clear that it isn't referring to that. Just so this doesn't turn up again, I will make a disambiguation page. The strategy you are suggesting would entail a lot more unnecessary work. Trust me, I categorised all those thousands of articles, and keep the tree updated. Because of cases such as this one, it isn't easy to immediately know where a person is from just from a glance at the article, since it could refer to a smaller village or a place whose name is used for numerous other areas (both true in this case). This means that every time I add an article to a category, I will have to recheck all the articles in said category to see if a subcategory became viable. This increases the complexity of the update algorithm, and given the difficulty in checking each article that I described, this translates into a significant real-time cost. Since I'm doing this manually, this simply isn't possible. Again, the caveat in WP:SMALLCAT seems to exist exactly for cases like this. --Antondimak (talk) 21:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

By the way the two Vrangiana are written differently in Greek, it's only the romanisation that gives them the exact same name. --Antondimak (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Please do not lie about me, especially behind my back. I've never written that I've "just haven't seen the word "Vrangiana"". There are/were no WP:RS listed, therefore it was never considered. There was a wikilinked higher order location, and I've tried that. You've repeatedly reverted. Now it is up for deletion entirely. Goodbye.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea why you do this, but I did not lie. If you say I misunderstood your reason (Was I just supposed to understand that you did see the word but ignored it because it wasn't linked? That's essentially the same as what I said anyway.), fine, but just look at your at you edit history from that day and how you systematically removed articles from categories like this claiming different reasons each time and then tagging the categories you turned empty for deletion. I in good faith reverted your disruptive edits providing the reason, and suddenly I'm the party at fault for reverting. Look at the article in question, it's for some reason constantly being incorrectly edited, and I just fix it. --Antondimak (talk) 07:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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