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Politics of Khuzestan

You've been selectively removing and, transferring content on Politics of Khuzestan, Arabs of Khuzestan claiming that you're doing all this due "the result of the AfD". That's a false claim, "The result was Rename to Politics of Khuzestan and keep for now". . This is gaming the system, please revert all of your edits until a consensus has been reached on the discussion pages of related articles. --Mardavich 07:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The result of the AfD was to keep the article, but to sort out POV issues, which I am doing. The proposer of the AfD argued that content should be reallocated to other articles that are more relevant and this was not contested by me or anyone else voting either to delete or to keep. In fact, you argued to merge the article with other articles! Nothing has been removed from Misplaced Pages, just reorganised and shortened. Changing the name of the article from Ethnic Politics of Khuzestan to Politics of Khuzestan obviously requires a different editorial approach, with some sections removed and some added.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 11:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

If the content you are removing from Politics of Khuzestan is contentious (which it obviously is), I would recommend not transferring it into the Arabs of Khuzestan until the material has been discussed. While it needs excising from the politics article, a merge should be a considered blending of content, and not all content may be suitable. That said, bold changes can provoke a discussion, so provided it doesn't break out into an edit war I don't see anything wrong with the occasional bold merge. Yomangani 12:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Yomangani: I am trying to do one thing at a time; I don't have time to spend hours and hours on this. I have transferred content and once I've finished my edits to Politics of Khuzestan, I'll move onto the other articles and ensure that there is a blending of content that ensures balance. There is nothing to stop someone putting a POV tag on the Arabs of Khuzestan article in the mean time. I'd just ask for a bit of patience and when I've finished, no doubt there will be editors who will begin disputing!--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 12:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand, my suggestion was meant to be helpful in avoiding those disputes in the meantime: you can always remove the information without transferring it over, as it will be available in the history for you transfer at a later date. Anyway, I'm not pushing you to work on it - I'd like to think of myself as disinterested party (otherwise I wouldn't have closed the AfD). Cheers, Yomangani 12:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahwaz, please revert yourself on Arabs of Khuzestan. You're simply transferring the POV ethnic content of Politics of Khuzestan into Arabs of Khuzestan without allowing other editors to discuss the issue. This is gaming the system, please revert all of your edits on Arabs of Khuzestan until a consensus has been reached on the discussion page. --Mardavich 12:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Why not just put a POV tag on the page, discuss the content and make changes to what has been added?--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 12:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what you should be doing, your actions are not in sync with the result of the AfD. The consensus of the editors was not to move the POV bits of Politics of Khuzestan into other articles, creating a bigger problem. The renaming is not just a cosmetic procedure, please revert yourself on Arabs of Khuzestan. --Mardavich 13:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

Ok, first things first, please tell me what happened. Include as many other people as possible that I can also talk to in order to get a comprehensive understanding of the situation. Yankee Rajput 20:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you say "the great majority of Iranian Arabs, are descendants of the Aryans or the non-semitic indigenous peoples living on the Iranian plateau before the Aryans arrived" on User:Khorshid/Misconceptions. I would be interested to know if you have any sources to support this, as it is an issue that has generated considerable heated debate on the Arabs of Khuzestan article.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 00:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That article is by Zereshk, it was going to be deleted so I put it on my userpage. Khorshid 00:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediation II

Thanks for the information. Do you mind if I ask more questions later if needed? I am going to ask all parties now for their views. Yankee Rajput 01:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...

Salam Ahwaz, how are you doing? thanks a lot for reverting my user page. Jidan 13:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I totally understand how you feel. The same thing happens to List of Arab scientists and scholars, Arabian Gulf, etc. If you have the time, you can open an arbitration (or whatever you call it) and pull as many neutral users as possible. I have put the articles you told me on my watchlist. Your info seems to get removed instantly by iranian nationlist. BTW, as time goes by, everybody will figure out that Wikiepdia contains a lot of rubish, specially in politic related articles. You shoud really think of making a website and posting your articles there, that way you will get the credit and nobody will revert it. Jidan 13:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Inshaneee

(This text was unacceptable canvassing and has been removed by an administrator. Please do not reinsert it). Guy (Help!) 19:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

This was censored on this talk page: --الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 19:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, this issue is being discused here notice board/ incidents —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hypnosadist (talk • contribs) 19:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Deletion on WP:AN/I

Yes, you did delete my message. You don't think it's against the rules? Well, it's impolite. However, I assumed you did it by accident. I linked to the diff that shows you deleting my post. I accidently deleted my own post once, then responded to it, then became confused about what I was talking about. KP Botany 00:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Note to admins

This is just to inform you that I have been reverting vandalism to Ethnic minorities in Iran and Arvand Free Zone by User:Mardavich and User:Behaafarid. They are suddenly reverting all my recent edits on these articles after I voiced an opinion on Talk:Persian Gulf , which User:Mardavich disagreed with. They have never had any previous involvement with these articles. Their reversions include fact tags, wikilink updates and legitimate edits to ensure NPOV. As such, they are vandalising these articles and consequently my reversions do not count as a breach of 3RR.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 13:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Persian Gulf

Please be cautious of your edits at Persian Gulf as I see you have made several reverts to the article recently. If you persist with excessive reversions and disruptive editing, you may be blocked either for WP:3RR or simply disruption. Discuss matters on Talk:Persian Gulf rather than reverting the work of others on sight. -- tariqabjotu 16:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I accept what you are saying, but I think that Persian nationalism is preventing the legitimate inclusion of the commonly accepted alternative name for the Gulf - the Arabian Gulf - in the Persian Gulf article (in fact, in some Arab states it is illegal to refer to the Gulf as the Persian Gulf). Please take a look at the talk page.

Also, after stating my point on Talk:Persian Gulf, User:Mardavich and User:Behaafarid appeared to track back on all my recent contributions - namely to Ethnic minorities in Iran and Arvand Free Zone - and reverted any changes I made, including updated wikilinks, fact tags and NPOV adjustments (nothing substantial, just small edits here and there). It is notable that they have not ever edited these article before, so the only reason for reverting was to stalk and vandalise my work. This is disruptive, but is the common experience Misplaced Pages users have when confronted by nationalists.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 16:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That attitude does not help one bit. Stop the excessive reverting and stop throwing accusations of nationalism. Your above statement embodies exactly why the Persian Gulf article has faced numerous issues. -- tariqabjotu 16:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reversions made on January 10 2007 to Ethnic minorities in Iran

Ahwaz, I really like your version of the article better than the other and removing tags is a bad style, but 3RR is a 3RR. Please note that you accumulated quite a long block list, including at least 4 blocks for 3RR violations, so the next 3RR block can be significantly longer. Next time please find a better way to settle the difference than revert warring. You could e.g. request a page protection and start an article RfC or another WP:DRV Alex Bakharev 16:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the duration of the block to 72h because you also violated 3RR on the Arvand Free Zone and were very close to 3RR on Persianization. Please note that the Web site of the Al-Ahwaz group is not a WP:RS source for anything other than the organization itself, please source the articles to something else Alex Bakharev 17:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I thought that if the reversions were against vandalism - which I think this is, as it is a case of stalking by two editors who disagreed with what I wrote on Talk:Persian Gulf and blind reverted anything I wrote recently - then they didn't count towards 3RR. I don't actually know how to start an RfC. (The Persian Gulf issue has been raging for months , with Iranian Wikipedians insisting that no mention of Arabian Gulf be included, even when it is sourced to Encyclopaedia Brittanica - I've only recently added my opinion)

The fact is that a cabal of editors is imposing its POV on Iran-related articles. They have a particular hatred of me because I spell Ahwaz in the Arabic way and not the Persian way . It sounds ridiculous, but some people get very worked up about spellings. I've been marked out on a number of occasions as an attacker or anti-Persian .

At one point, I had a message on my talk page to "fuck your dirty Arab mother's cunt" in Farsi. I responded in kind in English, but retracted my own profanity within half an hour - yet still subsequently got blocked. That was my first block (admins later agreed to wipe my user pages so that the profanity was wiped from the history files). Yet the anon user making the profanity was not even warned! I've also had to endure repeated racist statements that I am a lizard eater (a common Iranian insult against Arabs) and a liar .

Admins have failed to deal with over a year of anti-Arab racism, the gang-like nature of a certain group of editors (I have been banned for incivility in the past for calling them a gang, but that's what they are), the stalking and the inflexibility of some editors. They refused to allow me to transfer content from Politics of Khuzestan to Arabs of Khuzestan after an AfD, yet they refuse to respond to my calls for a debate or even attempts by one user at mediation (Mardavich has been among those who was disputing content, but failing to respond to mediation attempts).

So what am I to do? I am sorry, but I don't have a lot of confidence in a system that allows this kind of behaviour. This gang of editors refuses to talk, ignores mediation attempts and even reverts even the smallest edits I have made. I don't really know what to do, so I guess I will continue to be blocked! I give up on the processes.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 18:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey ahwaz, I know it seems to you like vandalism, but you got to stay cool, and 3RR is 3RR. Jidan 20:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It is not simply vandalism, it is aggressive bullying by a certain organised group. You know the type. It is absolute nonsense that Arab states don't use the term Arabian Gulf. The Arab League itself uses it . Every Arab state uses it and many non-Arabs use it. They are enforcing their viewpoint - which excludes all mention that the Gulf is known by any name other than the one they favour. If Arab states use the term Arabian Gulf, then it should be included. The real reason for exclusion is underlying prejudice, as I have experienced so many times on Misplaced Pages and detailed above.

As for the reversions on Ethnic minorities in Iran, they are plain stupid. The nationalists are simply reverting a whole load of necessary and non-controversial changes (updated wikilinks, rewording for the sake of NPOV and tags requesting sources) that I made because I made them. They won't debate, they won't consider any reason or logic. They want to drive off all Arab Wikipedians. And admins never, ever stop it. Look at the abuse and harassment I've had from these nationalists and how indifferent the admins are to it. The 3RR law is nonsense because these people can pile up their 3RRs and impose their POV and drive off all they oppose.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 21:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Ask for page protection whenever this happened again. You can ask it from Alex himself. Hessam 08:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Hessam. I will also open RfCs on these pages as soon as my block expires, because it is obvious that I am not allowed to edit a single word on these articles, no matter how trivial. I would appreciate your input as I believe you are both knowledgeable about Iran - you actually live in Tehran - and you are reasonable and strive for NPOV.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 10:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Your conspiracy theories are nothing but rationalizations for your total disregard for Misplaced Pages policies. Users do try to reason with you, but you have ignored every attempt. on Arvand Free Zone, you were repeatdly told that ahwaz.org.uk, the website of a fringe political group, does not conform with the policy of WP:RS, a plea which fell on deaf ears. Instead of respecting the Misplaced Pages policies, you kept reverting and reverting. I hope you do open RfCs on these pages, your disruptive behavior is well documented and your lack of respect for Misplaced Pages policies is available for everyone to see. --Mardavich 18:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Mardavich: But I did not use that source, I used the Daily Telegraph that quoted the British Ahwazi Friendship Society. You objected to this quotation, but it nevertheless conformed with Misplaced Pages policies because it was from the Daily Telegraph. As for your other acts of vandalism, you removed legitimate wikilinks and fact tags purely because I put them there and for no other reason. You are the one you constantly reverted and you were unwilling to discuss either on this article or on others you have objected to, such as Politics of Khuzestan and Arabs of Khuzestan - you have ignored one appeal for mediation on these. Your intention is to mass revert anything I write. That is disruptive behaviour. If you really think I have no place on Misplaced Pages, why not get your friends to launch an arbitration case against me?--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 18:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You did use that source. You were citing this article from ahwaz.org.uk. That's a clear violation of WP:RS. But instead of familiarizing yourself with Misplaced Pages policies, and respecting them, you keep acting like a victim, and making bad faith accusations and attacks. --Mardavich 19:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You are lying. You took out parts of the Daily Telegraph quote you did not like because it referenced the British Ahwazi Friendship Society. You left a paragraph that did not quote that group. The other quotation was from a Khuzestan newspaper which was cited in ahwaz.org.uk. Take a look. I challenge you to prove me wrong.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 19:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the edit in question. You're clearly using ahwaz.org.uk as a source, in violation of WP:RS. --Mardavich 20:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Sigh - I don't think you can read English properly - or you are a liar. Anyway, this is the part of the quotation from the Daily Telegraph you repeatedly deleted: "The British Ahwazi Friendship Society (BAFS), an advocacy group for Khuzestani Arabs in the UK, claims it will help Iran's Revolutionary Guards to influence the Shi'a areas of Iraq. A BAFS spokesman said: "Apart from being a serious human rights issue, any development that involves people being displaced by force obviously has a security element to it as they clearly do not want people being too near. The fact that they are deciding to put this huge complex right up against the border is significant. We think this is to enable them to train and send militias over the border." The original is here: Take a look at it. The only other reference to that group was a link to an article that quoted from the Hamsahyeha, which is now closed down. The article in Hamsahyeha exists because there is a photocopy of it here:

You also deleted a whole load of updated wikilinks and fact tags on Ethnic minorities in Iran, while stalking me and vandalising my contributions.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 20:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

By personally attacking me here, calling me a "liar" or telling me I can't can read English properly, you've proved why it's impossible for many editors to have any constructive interaction with you. It doesn't matter who or what ahwaz.org.uk was quoting, ahwaz.org.uk is not a reliable source, it's clear from your attempts at justification that you still haven't read WP:RS. --Mardavich 20:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

But you are a liar, as well as a stalker and a bully. The fact is that you deleted a large part of a quotation from the Daily Telegraph, which does meet WP:RS. And elsewhere you deleted my updates to wikilinks as well as fact tags. Just justifying that.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 20:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)