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Personal attacks

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Isarig 23:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a certain degree of what the Israli's call Hutzpah for you (who have been blocked twice for your conduct) to teach me how to behave. You can revert my edits. But you can not revert reality. Abu ali 23:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you Abu-ali for helping me out with the Second Intifada. I'ts nice to finally have an ally on wikipedia who supports the palestinians. It frightens me sometimes how many mad pro-zionists there are at this place. However, in this case I think you made a tiny mistake. It is the Institute for Counter-Terrorism, not the Institute For Combatting Terrorism. In this case Isarig was right. However, I still think it was wrong of him to erase the section that showed the Palestinians objections.

Do you know anything about this Institute For Counter-Terrorism or about this study they did comparing the number of non-combatants killed on both sides. Isarig and I have been arguing about this for the last few days and he insists there a reputable organization. I pointed out that they were founded by a former head of Mossad, but do you know anything else about them.

If so let me know. Also lets try and stick together and maybe we can change the Pro-Israel bias at Misplaced Pages. annoynmous 17:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi annonymous, I must admit that I had not heard of the ICT before. I had a look at their web site and found it quite interresting. It looks like one of these Acedimic/Military research institutes/think tanks. Former generals, secret service personel and accademics get together to analyse what is going on in the Arab world and examine different strategic responses. It looks like the ICT has a more military slant than the better known Jaffe Centre for Strategic studies. But they seem to be fairly serious and their material is better researched than the crass propoganda produced by the Israeli foreign ministry, and more interresting as an aid to understanding the thinking of the Israeli military elite. They are obviously a partizan body (all their experts on Arabs are jews). So it may be well to take their version of the facts with a pinch of salt.

I liked your edits to the Ilan Pappe article. It is amazing how much our "pro-Israeli" friends hate this Israeli who refuses to swallow the official line.

Regarding the mad pro-zionists out their, remember that they are the ones who are frightened. Their speed to censor your edits shows their fear of the truth. Let them rant and rave at us. Let them expose their true character to all around. Yes there are a lot of them on Misplaced Pages. But if you look on the ground in the middle east, there are a lot more of us. Just don't waste too much time online. The key battle is on the streets, to open peoples minds to what is going on around them and how they can organize to do something about it. Abu ali 22:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I am actually believe it or not American. I know that the stereotype is that were all clueless about anything outside of America and although I am buy no means an expert, I have become much more knowledgeable over the past few years. Seeing that your an Israelie you probably have much more first hand knowledge than I do.

I wanted to ask you, I often hear polls cited that say that the majority of Israel's citizens agree with there governments actions. Is this true or false? If so is it because there propogandized like we are here in America or is there another reason. annoynmous 23:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

right now most israelis have a prettly low view of their government. Since Hurricane Katrina and Iraq, I would imagine you could say the same about americans Abu ali 10:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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Polls in Hezbollah article

Perhaps an Outside Views of Hezbollah article would create a home for polls about the group? See Talk at Hezbollah Abe Froman 00:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there an article on Outside views of the Republicans? Abu ali 10:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Folke Bernadotte

Hey, thanks for the support, much appreciated. Best, Mackan79 14:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Take it easy. Abu ali 14:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: September 2000

Abu ali, that was my mess-up, however it was based on another users. I had been confusing it with another stat I had read regarding Israeli Arabs killed during suicide-homicide bombings. Here is my problem with it now: The 12 Arabs were violent rioters who had been assaulting Jewish citizens and shops. They did in fact, initiate hostilities. Since, in general, the other incidents like the Shafram attack the victims were completely innocent, I am just wondering how it would fit in context. --Shamir1 22:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

If I remmember correctly some were bystanders. They were all unarmed. One was a kid who was active in Jewish/Arab coexistence/peace groups. None were killed in the vacinity of Jewish shops. All were killed in Arab areas. They all have names and their indiviudal circumstances which can probably be found in the Or committee report. And whether you think the shooting was good or bad, the fact remains they were all shot by the Israeli police. Happy Hanuka Abu ali 22:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hezbollah article

Salam Abu Ali.

I'm very happy with meeting you in this article. I've editted it since July and I can help you with it. Also I can answer why there isn't anything about demonstrations. Please be careful. This article is very sensitive and we should try not to participate in editorial war with jews like Elizmr and Isring.--Sa.vakilian 05:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sa.vakilian, I would not use jews as a pejorative word. Some are reasonable people. Others like Isring are incapable of compromize and lash out in all directions to obliterate facts they find inconvinient. Isring is a living example of Zionism in action and gives all those he meets a real feel for what Zionism is all about. If he did not exist then we would have had to invent him:-). I will be careful when introducing stuff into the Hezbollah article as I do not know the history of the article and what compromises have been made in the past. But why is there nothing about the recent demonstrations? Abu ali 11:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No, you misunderstood. Why do you think I used it as a pejorative word but our POV about issues are absoluletly different.

The Hezbollah article is too long(more than 90 kb). Thus we comprise to shorten it:Talk:Hezbollah#Shortening the article and moved some part of it to the other articles

Part of a series on
Hezbollah
Ideology History Flag Foreign relations Funding Headquarters
Political activities Loyalty to the Resistance Bloc 2008 conflict in Lebanon 2006–2008 Lebanese political protests Doha Agreement Hezbollah–Iran relations Hezbollah–Russia relations
Military activities Lebanese Civil War (1983 US Embassy bombing War of the Camps) South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) 1986 Rue de Rennes bombing 2000–2006 Shebaa Farms conflict 2006 Lebanon War 2008 conflict in Lebanon Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict Syrian civil war (Hezbollah involvement Spillover in Lebanon) 2023 border conflict 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike Capabilities Armed strength Imam al-Mahdi Scouts
Organizations Hezbollah social services Hezbollah in Latin America Bayt al-Mal Jihad al-Bina Lebanese Communication Group Al-Qard Al-Hasan Association Islamic Resistance Support Organization (IRSO) Media Al-Manar Al-Nour Al-Ahed News
People Secretaries-General Subhi al-Tufayli Abbas al-Musawi  † Hassan Nasrallah  † Naim Qassem Senior officials Hashem Safieddine  † Ibrahim Amin al-Sayyed Mohammad Raad Wafiq Safa Nabil Qaouk  † Talal Hamiyah Fuad Shukr  † Ali Karaki  † Ibrahim Aqil  † Imad Mughniyeh  † Fouad Saleh Mohammad Yazbek
v t e

Now you can find what you want in these articles:Hezbollah political activities and 2006 Lebanese Anti-Government Protest.--Sa.vakilian 14:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Vinni-Puh's linkspam

Hi/Salam/Shalom Abu Ali. I have just reported Vinni-Puh on the WP Spam since his narod.ru spamming issue has a long history. --BACbKA 14:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

archiving

Hi,

you moved your talk page to (User talk:Abu ali/Archive/Dec). I think you meant to move it to User talk:Abu ali/Archive/Dec. I suggest to move it there, using the "move" button.

--Aleph-4 02:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

done Abu ali 12:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Gaza beach

The 7 children killed on a Gaza beach were not killed by an Israeli shell as Palestinians reported. Investigations find that it the blast most likely occured due to an unexploded ordinance buried in the sand. You can see the statement from the IDF here and part of the analysis here. Similarly, Palestinians gunmen recently claimed that an explosion was caused by an Israeli airstrike. This has not been proven and the IDF has rejected this allegation. The explosion occured because of technical mishaps with the rockets they were trying to fire (which they do not deny). The incident, as told by the gunmen, was initially published by Al Jazeera and other news sites however, like the incident earlier in Gaza, most have corrected, revised, and/or published new articles with the present facts. --Shamir1 10:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

If you believe the IDF whitewash, then I have a couple of bridges to sell you. Abu ali 10:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Listen. For starters, you inserted the incident in the wrong section. It is already taken note of the incident. As for IDF "whitewash", it is been FAR more accurate than Palestinian sources have been. By far. For starters, the video on PA TV allegedly depicting the incident was proven to fraud. And again, just recently, Palestinian gunmen who were attempting to fire rockets (which they say they were doing) claimed that the IDF striked them. Very easily, the claim was proven false. Although they probably know that, their goal is probably to persuade other Palestinians. --Shamir1 08:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Shamir1,

Truth is the first casualty of war. When the IDF investigates itself, its findings can be predicted in advance. In the case of the Gaza beach massacre, very few people believe that the IDF was a neutral party or that the results of its "investigation" carry any weight. Id Mubarak! Abu ali 16:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you add the racism on Israel

you seem to know your stuff can you please add a balance set of comments to both racism by country and racism. I am exhausted of the censorship on this site. How can we erase racism if people deny it exist in one of the most racial tense countries in the world.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 18:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I could tell you a fair amnont. Most informed observes know about the racism inherent in the Israeli Law of return, the israel lands administration, the treatment of foreign workers, the denial of the right of family unification for Arab citizens who are married to Palestinians from the territories, the treatment of jews from Arab countries, etc... But the conspicuios absence of Israel from the list of racism by country says a great deal about the impartiality (partizan nature) of Misplaced Pages.Abu ali 22:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Great we need you to concentrate on the racism page once added there we can copy it to the other page. As you can see from Jayjigs remarks the error he believes lies in our poor editing skills. everytime we cast a net to prove racism they "try" to slip out of it. Thus the net needs to be perfect to escape any arguments. I suggest we submit the article to more people to bring in more voices.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 00:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I quote "If this world belongs to the strong with a smooth tongue who slip from justice at every turn. what does it say about "humanity""--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 00:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I did a quick google. Have a look at these: Anti-Arabism#Anti-Arabism_in_Israel, Naeim Giladi, , Zionism and racism It's not racism, it's just patriotism, Poll: 68% of Jews would refuse to live in same building as an Arab The scent of racism , Living as hostages of hatred and racism, , , , , , Abu ali 10:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Why We cannot win

Take a look at the list of administrators and you will see why we have zero chance, wikipedia has embedded a group that will protect certain topics. --HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 04:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi ሀላካሕ, I am not sure what you mean by win here. I will feel that I have won when the list of racism by country is empty, not because of censorship, but because racism has been eliminated. The battles people fight on WP are in reality pretty unimportant. But if someone gets angry enough to decide to do something about the problems and injustice in the real world, then the enterprise is not a total waste of time. Abu ali 09:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Thank you for your gracious apology. Jayjg 00:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

gracious is my middle name :-) Abu ali 09:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks

Your edit here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Naeim_Giladi&curid=7640838&diff=97554015&oldid=97397325 can be easily construed as a personal attack against any number of editors here in WIkipedia. WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL are also pillars of wikipedia. Thank you. -- Avi 15:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Shalom Avraham, My comments are not a personal attack on anyone, merely an explanation why a certain group is carrying out a shameful personal attacks on Naeim Giladi attempting to associate him with white supremacists and antisemits. This is part of a campaing of villification against all those who criticise Israel. (e.g. Israel Shahak, Norman Finkelstein). Your warning is an attempt to silence me and prevent me from discibing what I see on Misplaced Pages. It will not succeed. Abu ali 22:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please see response on the article's talk page. Further, intimating that a group of editors are a "lobby" is a personal attack. Bringing undisputably undeniable data in an article is not. Please refamiliarze yourself with wikipedia policy in order to become a better editor and help contribute to the project for the benefit of us all. Thank you. -- Avi 12:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The use of the word "lobby" is not a personal attack. But if you are at all offended by the word, I will be happy to oblige and not use the word in future. On the other hand what you describe as "bringing undisputably undeniable data" is a smear campaign using Nazi sources against someone you disagree with this is a personal attack of the vilest nature. You should be ashamed of yourself. Abu ali 14:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Once again, please read the text. No opininos are stated in the text about Mr. Giladi, only cold, hard facts are brought. Uncomfortable facts are not personal attacks, sometimes the truth is uncomfortable, but wikipedia is nt censored. See Ariel Sharon and Sabra and Shatilla for examples where uncomfortable truths are brought. Your intimations of guilt and shame are neither appreciated, nor in the spirit of wikipedia's civility requirements; please endeavor to contribute to the project in the manner which we all agree to when we become members of the project. Thank you. -- Avi 14:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Deir al-Asad

Well, thanks, glad you liked it! Regards, Huldra 17:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Isarig

Thanks for the heads up. I've put in my two cents. --Lee Hunter 21:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Unexplained revert

I recently added some details to the "Examples of political, judicial and military representatives" section of Arab citizens of Israel, taking care to be neutral and encyclopaedic. I also removed a few irrelevant biographical comments (including one, a Jewish Virtual Library comment that states that Salim Jubran is "known for his tough stand on sex and drug-related crimes", which may be POV). You then reverted my changes with no explanation. What gives? Udzu 18:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You removed criticism of the appointment of the Arab ministers by Yisrael Beiteinu, as well as the ealier conviction of Salah Tarif, making the section somewhat one sided.Abu ali 22:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not remove content from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Arab citizens of Israel. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Shamir1 22:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome ya Shamir Abu ali 16:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Israel/Palestine

All I can do is urge you to tread carefully. The POV warriors on "the other side" are adept at using the policies of Misplaced Pages to their political ends. Keep very cool in dealing with them, no matter how provoked you are. Try to avoid long revert wars. If you are outnumbered, and you often will be, do not consider it a virtue to keep fighting past the point at which anyone reasonable would consider a compromise. Move on to another article. Misplaced Pages will not become fair on this subject overnight, if ever, so it is not worth becoming outraged over one instance or another. Grace Note 05:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry Grace. On WP I am on safe territory. They can not shoot me, arrest me or demolish my home. And all of their actions are recorded. Abu ali 15:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

some people like User:Shamir1 are deleting vital info from pages such as Palestinian exodus Palestinian refugee Arab citizens of Israel need your help .7day 13:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed. These people are called Zionists, and this is the sort of stuff they do. When fixing the damage that they do, avoid inflamatory edit summaries. Remember that the truth is on our side. And they are desparate people. Wouldn't you be desperate if you were outnumbered 260 million to 7 million, and if you were being led by Ehud Olmert. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you out. Good luck Abu ali 15:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Disgrace

I recently read this from a talk page: "So get off your computer and onto the streets. Organize the people around you. The Zionists can censor anything you write here. But they can not close they eyes of those who you have taught to see what is really happening around them. And the battle between the oppressors and the oppressed will not be decided online, but offline. Zionists may ounumber us in Misplaced Pages. But on the ground in the Middle East we outnumber them by a long long way. Abu ali 10:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)"

This sounds like something I have heard before, but from an Islamic Dictator in the Middle East. This is a call for suicide bombers aimed directly at Zionists. It is a disgrace that you are using Misplaced Pages, an online encyclopedia, to further your goal and kill millions of lives. It is unthinkable that you use an encylopedia, where people come for neutral, unbiased information in order to kill innocent people. You deserve to be banned forever. Brilliance 06:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC).