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	I'm working on an ACW battle article involving the Temple Lot site in Independence, MO. I'm not very familiar with Mormon/LDS terminology, and I would like to get it right. Would referring to {{xt\|The attack of the 13th Missouri Cavalry shattered Confederate resistance at the Temple Lot, a religious site related to the Latter Day Saint movement}} be a reasonable way to describe the Temple Lot? ] <sub> ]</sub> 03:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		I'm working on an ACW battle article involving the Temple Lot site in Independence, MO. I'm not very familiar with Mormon/LDS terminology, and I would like to get it right. Would referring to {{xt\|The attack of the 13th Missouri Cavalry shattered Confederate resistance at the Temple Lot, a religious site related to the Latter Day Saint movement}} be a reasonable way to describe the Temple Lot? ] <sub> ]</sub> 03:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
	*That seems a reasonable way to describe the issue.] (]) 12:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		*That seems a reasonable way to describe the issue.] (]) 12:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

			==PRODs==
			Hello, John,

			When you PROD an article, please state this in the edit summary. You've been editing for over 14 years and have over 400K edits, I don't know why you would omit something as simple as an accurate edit summary. If the PROD tag is removed, it's important that there is a record that the page has already been PROD'd in case another editor decides to tag it again. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 20:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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Biographies of Living people

The category Category:Living people has 987,022 article presently.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleting the page Sandeep Singh Russian was not right. The page had enough references directly about him . Pls read the hindi language newspaper that had been added. The deletion needs a review. Sunny50888 (talk) 12:57, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Russian Empire-categories

Please stop removing categories such as Category:Russian salon-holders from categories such as Category:Russian Empire salon-holders.

The Russian Empire is a sub-category to the parent-category Russia. Therefore, all the Russian Empire-categories are, when the overlap, sub-categories to Russia-categories. The Russian Empire is a period of Russian history. All period-categories are sub-categories to the nation-categories of the country in which they belong. For example, the Victorian era is a sub-category to the United Kingdom, the French revolution-era is a sub-category to the France: and the Russian Empire is a sub-category to Russia. They exist in parallel.

If you remove Category:Russian salon-holders from Category:Russian Empire salon-holders, then Category:Russian Empire salon-holders will suddenly look compeltely different from all other Salon-holder categories, and each nation has their own salon-category, sorted by nationality. Further more, it is not permitted by Misplaced Pages's rules to have a category deleted by emptying it, which can become the case when you act as above, as it has in this case.

Further more: you can not replace, for example, "Russian 18th-century dancers" with Dansers of the Russian Empire": the Empire is a period, an era, not a century. It included the 18th-, 19th- and some of the 20th-century. The century categories exist in parallel with the era/period-categories, and that is the way it has to be. Otherwise, it will be time consuming for the reader to find a person form a certain century, when they look for them.

Please consider the above carefully in the future. --Aciram (talk) 17:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

- No the Russian Empire was a distinct polity. Many of the subjects of the Russian Empire would never have considered themselves to be Russian in any way, and to tag them in that way is not at all justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Aciram. The Russian Empire categories should be subcategories of the Russian categories. This is for ease of navigating the category tree, if nothing else. The Russian Empire was not a completely different "polity" than the current Russian Federation. At international law, the Russian Empire was the legal successor state to the Soviet Union, which was the legal successor state to the Russian Empire. Thus, the Russian Federation and the Russian Empire are legally the same polity. (For instance, a treaty ratified by the Russian Empire is still in force for the Russian Federation without any further action being taken by the Russian Federation.) Good Ol’factory 01:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Abdullah Khan (author)

I closed this as soft-delete, but an editor asked for it to be undeleted which I am compelled to do per the policy.

As you participated, up to you if you renominate it.

Cheers, Daniel (talk) 00:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2011 establishments in Trinidad and Tobago

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Ricky Allman AFD

Could you please review Ricky Allman AFD one more time. I have added new information, such as museum exhibitions and Harvard Business Review citation. I feel these may change your mind.Webmaster862 (talk) 05:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

BLP

There are currently 987,710 articles in the category Category:Living people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1923 establishments in Mongolia

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1975 establishments in Odisha

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Nikitha Grero

Hi. I don't get that. How you cite that he is non notable?? As a Sri Lankan and a native person, he is well adjudged in our country due to his leadership qualities and popularizing the international school system in Sri Lanka. I have added a hardcopy of his notability through a newspaper. So, my concern is "HE is notable" and valuble asset in our country. So help me to keep the article. If you need soft article references, I will send them soon to Misplaced Pages. There are many non notable things in Misplaced Pages, but never ever get deleted and never concerned by Admins. Thank You. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 21:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1992 establishments in Andhra Pradesh

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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Johnpacklambert AfD nominations

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Cbl62 (talk) 21:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For all your tireless efforts in weeding out non notable biographical articles, you do indeed deserve this. Thanks and keep it up! Celestina007 (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Clearly uneven coverage

It really irks me that Andrea Cassone still has an article with just a blog source, but articles on Benjamin de Hoyos and Michael John U. Teh were deleted even though they had multiple sources to written articles in publications that involved editorial oversight. True two of those were from publications controlled by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that Hoyos and Teh are officers for, but they had no direct control over the creation of those sources, and there were in both cases at least one article that was from a reliable source that was fully independent of them. I actually suspect that if someone tried they could find more sourcing on Cassone, but it irks me that I did all that sleuthing and research to build fairly good articles on Hoyos and Teh, and probably close to 50 other individuals, to then have all those articles deleted while people can but in the absolute minimum effort on these bishops and archbishops and have the articles stand indefinately.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Russian Empire people of Moldovan descent has been nominated for discussion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1957 establishments in Kerala

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Anarchists of the Russian Empire

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That would be down to this edit. – Fayenatic London 21:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

BLP tracker

We are now to 988,294 biographies of living people based on the contents of Category:Living people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedians are so rude

A Wikipedian has accused my actions of "lacking integrity". I am sick and tired of the personal insults and character assassination that is carried out by editors on Misplaced Pages.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That was me. I have explained (more than once) that I did not mean to suggest that you as nominator lack integrity, but that the nomination lacked integrity, since it would be invidious to delete only part of a hierarchy when the rationale applies to the whole. Those were cases where you were nominating only parts of the relevant category hierarchies. In another case, you attempted to nominate a full hierarchy even though it was very large, and I commended you for this.

I apologise for using words that seemed to be a personal insult. I expressed myself badly, and will try not to do so again. – Fayenatic London 15:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Imagine if that had been said about someone voting keep in any given AFD or discussion about certain always-keep-voters, JPL. We'd all be sanctioned out the wazoo. Sorry you're going through this. CUPIDICAE💕 15:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wait, are there people who have 100% of all their AfD votes as delete? Contrary to popular belief I actually do at times vote keep on AfD. In fact all my bio related votes today may have so far been keep. Admitedly if that is so, it is more a sampling error, since it is just one vote.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so but I can give you an example of extremely disruptive keep votes from "seasoned editors" who will vote keep for a blatant hoax based on a user generated source even when presented with incontrovertible evidence. CUPIDICAE💕 17:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I have seen arguements to keep that come close to being "this article has existed over 15 years so we should keep it." On Conan the Librarian the argument is "this article used to have false information, so we still need it to counter those falsehoods."John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

If you guys are deletionists then I wonder what that makes me? Please do not be discouraged, John. I honestly wonder what Misplaced Pages would be like if the small minority of editors such as ourselves, that actually try to enforce the notability criteria, suddenly went. It would just be a paid-for spam fest. Spiderone 17:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Echoing Spiderone, take away JPL, MER-C, Praxidicae, & other editors enforcing the notability threshold be met & fighting spam, Misplaced Pages would cease to have value. It’s just sheer double standard that so called deletionists are demonized and treated harshly when they occasionally make errors (when !voting) but the keep squad are never held accountable when the reverse occurs. Celestina007 (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I was investigating the article on Dallin H. Oaks, who clearly passes GNG, probably many years and sometimes months on its own, clearly passes academic notability as a former president of a university with about 30,00 enrollment, was a state supreme court justice, and possibly as a legal scholar was also notable. He probably passes author notability, maybe even for his post-1984 written works which are barely covered in the article. The article dates to 2003 (when he was only a little less notable than now, I think it can be convincingly argued that all those sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are notable, I still want to extended that to all general authorities and general officers ogf the church, but apostles are a clear pass). Oaks was then Philippines Area President and an apostle. The Philippines area had roughly 500,000 members then. I would argue either apostles or general authorities are eqivalent to Catholic Cardinals and area presidents are equivalent to Catholic archbishops, although this ignores the fact that in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints general authorities fully run the Church. Oaks is now in the 1st presidency, which has more authority than the 12, but not much, and the differences are much less now than pre-1970. However for the first 2 years the article was unsourced. Pre-2005 Misplaced Pages was atrociously lacking in sources. The problem still afflicts us in part because people ignore verifiability and then interpret source existence to argue to keep articles just because sources might exist but are hard to find instead of doing the hard work to find sources. As I said above I suspect that most Catholic bishops if people actually looked one could find sources on, but to pull an article basically at random has this as its only source. That fails reliable source, fails indepdent source at least as it is applied when the person is a general authority of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and is not a multiple source. Why do we even have a seperate article that says as little as that article says? I see no reason that we could not contain everything that is in that article on the page Roman Catholic Diocese of Corumbá. I have tried this before, and what happens is people manage to dig up some, maybe not indepth, coverage (some of it is the type of coverage we did find on Benjamin de Hoyos and Michael John U. Teh but were told even though it was from a reliable source, and clearly indepdent and secondary, it was not substantive enough to count) and people will then accuse me of targeting article on non-Americans, and use all sorts of negative infective. The article will end up being inproved, which is not going to happen anytime soon otherwise. I could also start trying to trudge through sources, but since I am not fluent in Portuguese and very marginal in Spanish and French, I will have no good way to know what I dig up, and with some names not even be sure they refer to the same person. So I sit back and wait for someone else to tackle this true mess.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

More thoughts on the issue with Catholic bishops

To pick just one diocese, Roman Catholic Diocese of Corumbá is has had 14 bishops. We currently have articles on 5 of those. Of those only Antônio de Almeida Lustosa has any sources that are not a blog, and only Lustosa has multiple sources. Lustosa was also the only one who was an archbishop. Maybe considering all bishops default notable was a bridge too far. One blog as the source of all articles is not a good system. I know if we go to the US and pick basically at random a bishop Aloysius John Wycislo (I found him because the only archbishop I was sure I could spell his name totally off the top of my head was Adam Maida, and I picked one of his non-archbishop predecessors), we see sourcing that may pass GNG (I am not sure if those who wanted to delete articles on say Octaviano Tenorio or Yoshihiko Kikuchi would actually be persuaded by the actual level of coverage of Bishop Wycislo, but it is clearly much, much, much better than what we have on Bishop Costa). So some of this may reflect various factors that make it so we average toward better sources on articles on people in the Anglosphere, and in the US and Britain especially (maybe also Australia and New Zealand, I suspect that thought Jamaica is in the Anglosphere, we have under sourcing issues there, and I am sure there are other such cases). Clearly if the article on Bishop Costa cannot be more substantive, we would be served just as well redirecting him to the article on Roman Catholic Diocese of Corumbá and maybe making that article say just a little more on him, but having gone through this with a few articles on bishops in Nigeria, I suspect if people tried they may be able to dig up articles that actually say more about Bishop Costa than what we currently have in the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Lucas Abadamloora has 2 sources. The Catholic hierachy blog, and the diocesan publication of the Wisconsin diocese that his diocese in Ghana was partnered with when he died. Does the second source meet GNG guidelines? If it does not, it is only because structural issues of how the Catholic Church is set up make it easier to argue indepdence than it is possible to in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:45, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1962 establishments in Tamil Nadu

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2015 establishments in West Bengal

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Category:Russian Empire agnostics has been nominated for renaming

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Why did you change "Category" on the bio page for Dennis Carothers Stanfill from "Living people" to "Possibly living people"? It looks like vandalism.

Why did you change "Category" on the bio page for Dennis Carothers Stanfill from "Living people" to "Possibly living people"? It looks like vandalism. Somebody else almost immediately reversed your edit/vandalism.

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1993 establishments in Assam

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2002 establishments in Andhra Pradesh

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2012 establishments in Ladakh

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BLP

The category Category:Living people currently has 988,970 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

BLP

The category Category:Living people now has 989,079 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2005 establishments in Chhatisgarh

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2019 establishments in Delhi

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Courtiers of the Russian Empire

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2020 establishments in Jammu and Kashmir (union territory)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Establishments in Jammu and Kashmir (union territory) by year

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@Liz: you emptied this nascent hierarchy stating that "This category structure does not exist right now", but they seem to be valid, even if there is scope to improve links and parenting. Do you object to them being reinstated? Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 1 is the precedent for keeping them. – Fayenatic London 10:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:French emigrants to Cambodia

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1782 establishments in Norway

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Birds are not dinosaurs

These are English words which we use per their standard English usage. When people say "diosaur" they in no way mean birds.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

What is a semi-published author

I just removed the most truly odd entry on an allegedly notable alumni "* Brandon D. Jones, semi-published author". What in the world is a semi-published author? The guy wrote a book, and it got half published? So it was like being published in serrial, in a magazine, and he only turned out about half of it, and the rest never came out? That is the only thing that maybe makes sense, and that just seems odd. Unless they meant to say self-published author. Even if he had a full book published that would not equate with default notability. Semi-published does not make any sense to me.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

It's probably just a strange and roundabout way of admitting that the author isn't notable. Spiderone 19:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

JPL's sense of humor is premium and very healthy, @Spiderone, swear you didn’t laugh out loud when reading this the first time. This regaled me so fucking much. Lmaooo. Celestina007 (talk) 14:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Establishments in Ladakh

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John Barcellona

I'm still not convinced this person is notable. If you propose this at WP:AfD, please ping me. Bearian (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1538 establishments in Japan

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Russian Orthodox Christians from the Russian Empire

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India state establishment categories

When creating India state establishment categories, please use {{EstcatIndiastate}}. Like {{EstcatUSstate}}, it requires no parameters, and automatically adds the relevant parents. This would save you from setting up only one of the relevant parent categories, which you have still been doing after I left you a reminder about this, e.g. Category:2007 establishments in Chhattisgarh.

For decades, there is also {{EstcatIndiastateDecade}}. – Fayenatic London 21:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2001 establishments in Uttar Pradesh

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There have been some comments about you at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Leo Lebeau

If you care to respond. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1965 establishments in the Territory of Papua and New Guinea

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School notability

Hi, John. Hey, please don't PROD or AfD school district articles in the United States. As tax assessing bodies with fixed geographic boundries, they reach the level of inherent notability just as an incorporated city town or village would. All that is needed is proof of existence. Thanks. 174.254.192.241 (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

And while on the subject, it would likely cause less hassle for both you and everyone else if when you encounter a US lower school article that is not notable, simply redirect it to the school district (public) or diocese (parochial) or settlement (other private schools and schools in the other two catagories that don't have redirect targets). Please add {{r from school}} after the redirect markup, and if you get pushback, THEN go to AfD. Thanks. I think you'll find this good for your blood pressure and it will be good for mine too. I appreciate what you are doing, and with lower schools, I'm (almost) always gonna be with you on it. There's little opposition except from SPAs on the notion that lower schools generally lack notability. Let's try to limit the discussion to secondary schools. Many oppose gazetteer level notability for secondary schools (I don't), but that's certainly a spot on the continuum we can try to find a common ground. Let's not waste effort on lower schools. I appreciate what you do, man. 174.254.192.241 (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I think you are wrong about school districts. We do not create articles on every water district, and other non-direct government entity that has taxing authority.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, John! See Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#School_districts. I've been involved in writing school district articles for over a decade and the practice is to pretty much have every school district to have an article when possible. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hello, John,

When you tag an article for proposed deletion (PROD), please indicate this in the edit summary. If an editor removes the PROD tag and the page is reviewed in the future, it's important to see that it has already been PROD'd and typically this is determined by scanning the previous edit summaries to see if it has been PROD'd or nominated for deletion at AFD. Thank you. Liz 20:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Matthew Deane (Australian actor)

The article Matthew Deane (Australian actor) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Nota tagged since August 2016. Very little to no coverage; some non-notable easy-to-get awards and a bit of promotional stuff in Mormon papers. (Note: while on the surface WP:BEFORE may seem to show results, these actually refer to Matthew Deane Chanthavanij, an entirely different person.)

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Category:Springfield College (Massachusetts) has been nominated for renaming

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2017 establishments in Himachal Pradesh

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:British people in colonial Burma

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:British people of colonial Malta

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Please consider marking edits that only add/edit categories as "minor"

Can you please consider marking uncontroversial edits that only add/edit a few categories (e.g., , ) as "minor" edits? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk)

@ElKevbo: your advice is not consistent with Help:Minor_edit#What_not_to_mark_as_minor_changes. That "information page" specifies that actually adding/removing categories should not be marked as minor.

IMHO, changing the sort key in categories would be minor. I guess I might occasionally have marked a simple and indisputable correction to a category as minor; but generally, category changes are not minor. Even when they appear unimportant to the article, they are not minor in their effect on populating the category. – Fayenatic London 20:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Adding or removing a category can on occasion also be major vandalism to the article. Consider this edit, twice repeated, to a BLP, for which I blocked the perpetrator. Category vandalism is pretty sneaky vandalism, too, quite likely to pass unnoticed, as this did for over a month. I understand that ElKevbo was specifically talking about uncontroversial category additions, but I worry that marking those as minor could serve as an excuse for a pretense of believing BLP vios by category being minor also. Bishonen | tålk 21:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your continuous fight against trash articles. I know, it is very hard to continuously comment on AfDs which clearly fails our guidelines. Best wishes for the future. Störm (talk) 04:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:2001 establishments in the Republic of Artsakh

Hello, John,

I see you created this category. In doing so, you created several red link categories. Could you also create those as well? Thanks. Liz 05:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1996 establishments in Kyrgystan

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2000 establishments in Saint Kitts and Nevis

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Category:Roman Catholic bishops by nationality

Hello, as you know, the above category was merged into Category:Roman Catholic bishops by country as a result of this discussion. You recently re-created the category. I understand that there has been some push-back on that CFD, and it may not reflect a broader consensus. So if you disagree with the result of that discussion, I suggest you take the issue to WP:DRV, which is designed for situations like this. We do need some degree of order, and part of that is not allowing users to simply re-create categories that were deleted because they disagree with the decision. Thanks, Good Ol’factory 23:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 19

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2020 establishments in Rajasthan

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Category:2001 establishments in Andhra Prades has been nominated for deletion

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Belize

Do you agree that Category:Bishops in Belize should definitely have Category:Bishops by country as a parent? It is less obvious that Category:Belizean bishops should also have Category:Bishops by country as a parent. That question is still open given the recent controversy. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Belizean bishops should have as a parent Category:Bishops by nationality. As long as we have such clearly by nationality categories, we should have the by nationality parent. I have a strong suspicion the latter category has been misapplied, but misapplication does not prove a category is unworkable, it just shows editors have been sloppy.John Pack Lambert (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Would you be concerned that this might result in many articles having a double parentage (i.e. Bishops in Belize and Belizean bishops)? Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

No that does not concern me. Although we could agree to a system where we treat one as the primary and do not double use it. However if we categorize by specific bishop someone was a bishops of and a general by nationality category this is not duplicative very much. Especially if we agree that bishops are a dispersing sub-set of priests.John Pack Lambert (talk) 11:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

What if all bishops were categorised to Bishops by country alone and to only add the second category (Bishops by nationality) if the state of the nation differed from that state of the country. That's very bad English. I don't know how to say it better. So if a French man was sent to Belize he would be in Bishops in Belize but not in Belizean bishops. I suppose he could be added to French bishops instead. So he would still have a double parentage now that I think about it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1995 establishments in Madya Pradesh

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1978 establishments in Costa Rica

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Red link categories

Hello, John,

Please do not add nonexistent, red link categories to pages unless you plan on creating the categories. See WP:REDNO for details. Thank you. Liz 03:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1702 establishments in Scotland

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For agreeing that Misplaced Pages is not a place for IMDb references in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/R. J. Robertson JTZegers _Aura 15:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:1788 establishments in Austria has been nominated for deletion

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Category:1885 establishments in Austria has been nominated for deletion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2014 establishments in Curacao

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The Temple Lot

I'm working on an ACW battle article involving the Temple Lot site in Independence, MO. I'm not very familiar with Mormon/LDS terminology, and I would like to get it right. Would referring to The attack of the 13th Missouri Cavalry shattered Confederate resistance at the Temple Lot, a religious site related to the Latter Day Saint movement be a reasonable way to describe the Temple Lot? Hog Farm _Talk 03:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

That seems a reasonable way to describe the issue.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

PRODs

Hello, John,

When you PROD an article, please state this in the edit summary. You've been editing for over 14 years and have over 400K edits, I don't know why you would omit something as simple as an accurate edit summary. If the PROD tag is removed, it's important that there is a record that the page has already been PROD'd in case another editor decides to tag it again. Thank you. Liz 20:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)