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| I've deleted this entire section - almost every sentence needed a citation, and it had sat there for too long with nobody providing them. Jimbo has said again and again that we are to be ruthless in deleting uncited material, so the time for this material to go was well and truly up. Also, the section is POV. It assumes that there is such a thing as Islamophobia, when the general thrust of the article is to be neutral and report on both people who make such a claim and people who claim that it is a myth. The whole idea is controversial, as the lead says, so we must make sure that everything in the article reflects this. All claims about Islamophobia need to be attributed, rather than presented as the view of the encyclopedia. ] 13:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC) | I've deleted this entire section - almost every sentence needed a citation, and it had sat there for too long with nobody providing them. Jimbo has said again and again that we are to be ruthless in deleting uncited material, so the time for this material to go was well and truly up. Also, the section is POV. It assumes that there is such a thing as Islamophobia, when the general thrust of the article is to be neutral and report on both people who make such a claim and people who claim that it is a myth. The whole idea is controversial, as the lead says, so we must make sure that everything in the article reflects this. All claims about Islamophobia need to be attributed, rather than presented as the view of the encyclopedia. ] 13:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ==Historical Information?== | |||
| There is no historical information on Islamophobia here. What about Islamophobic views in the past? The Winston Churchill's quote: | |||
| {{cquote|How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog}} | |||
| is an example of historical anti-Islam feelings. ] 09:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Reports on Discrimination and Islamophobia in the EU
Reports from the EU:
- Muslims in the European Union: Discrimination and Islamophobia
- Perceptions of discrimination and Islamophobia
There's also a BBC News story on the reports. jaco♫plane 11:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
The lead
A lead should be a brief desciption of the topic and summary of the overall article, not a place for matters of detail. I think we should look at cutting the lead down a bit - either eliminating detail that is repeated later or at least writing in a more summary form. Detail that is not currently repeated later could be shifted. I haven't worked on this article for awhile and am unsure whose toes I'd be treading on if I decided to be bold - so I'm raising the issue here for discussion before I do anything significant. Metamagician3000 14:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Country-specific polls and surveys
This section is filled with OR/POV assessments about what is somehow an "Islamophobic" opinion, and some the articles that is used as a ref doesn't even make any allegations about anything "Islamophobic". I already started taking out some of the worst examples, and during the Christmas holidays I plan to make an effort to clean up the whole thing. -- Karl Meier 16:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Good. There's a lot to be done. I've only fiddled around the edges so far. Metamagician3000 04:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- I've now done some significant restructuring and cleanup. Hope I haven't broken any formatting. Metamagician3000 11:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Hassan
I made some deletions in the "responses to criticism" as it was large section based on just one article by a rather non-notable person. Mr. Hassans opinions in this single article was given a huge amount of undue weight, and believe that something had to be done about this. I hope that this relevant section will be expanded again, this time with a more diverse range of notable opinions. -- Karl Meier 16:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- They certainly appear to be given massively undue weight at the moment. Metamagician3000 09:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
New catagory
I am starting a new Catagory of people who are anti-Islamic. Please support this as the Jewish community have listed blatent antisemitic people.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 03:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- Without commenting specifically on this category, there being a category of "blatant antisemitic people" doesn't justify this either way. Nysin 10:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Categories for Deletion: Category:Anti-Islam sentiment
Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 27#Category:Anti-Islam sentiment. --70.51.229.211 15:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Effect on Arabs
I've deleted this entire section - almost every sentence needed a citation, and it had sat there for too long with nobody providing them. Jimbo has said again and again that we are to be ruthless in deleting uncited material, so the time for this material to go was well and truly up. Also, the section is POV. It assumes that there is such a thing as Islamophobia, when the general thrust of the article is to be neutral and report on both people who make such a claim and people who claim that it is a myth. The whole idea is controversial, as the lead says, so we must make sure that everything in the article reflects this. All claims about Islamophobia need to be attributed, rather than presented as the view of the encyclopedia. Metamagician3000 13:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Historical Information?
There is no historical information on Islamophobia here. What about Islamophobic views in the past? The Winston Churchill's quote:
| “ | How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog | ” |
is an example of historical anti-Islam feelings. Rumpelstiltskin223 09:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
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