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:Funny how they built that hotel to look like a cruise ship, and it probably feels like you're on a cruise with the ocean around you. I'd want a balcony suite. Nothing wrong with putting our imagination to good use. ] ] ] 14:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
:Funny how they built that hotel to look like a cruise ship, and it probably feels like you're on a cruise with the ocean around you. I'd want a balcony suite. Nothing wrong with putting our imagination to good use. ] ] ] 14:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
== Highly recommended ==
Member of the ], former ABC News anchor Ted Koppel is His explanation about today's news media not only supports most of what I've attempted to explain on WP, and at times have been challenged or castigated over, he presents it much more eloquently and with much more detail. He isn't under the pressure of getting dragged to AE for telling it like it is, which in the days of yore, was an admirable characteristic...long before the emergence of "political correctness", and censorship on Facebook & Twitter - you know, when US citizens were able to fully enjoy their 1st Amendment rights without offending someone somewhere. Perhaps it's time to rejuvenate some of the old didactic rhymes, like ]. Just a thought... ] ] ] 12:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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Point to this notice to CYA.
Get your own Ds aware filter here!
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Have you no sense of decency?
We must wear our critical thinking caps, and try not to repeat history as a single incident may parallel various incidents throughout the wide spectrum of politics.
ARCA: As a separate issue, anything that relies on DS will fail. The only way forward is for arb com to directly regulate conduct by removing prejudiced editors and admins, either from an area or from WP, not trying to adopt rules about just how disruptive they can be. ~DGG
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Do not disturb. I'm in the middle of important research.
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I'm leaving this link for any editor who may be feeling a little stressed on the job. It has a very calming effect. Relax - enjoy - and once your blood pressure is back where it should be, resume editing.
Making this page mobile friendly outweighs user friendly, or so I'm told.
“Scientific results are always provisional, susceptible to being overturned by some future experiment or observation. Scientists rarely proclaim an absolute truth or absolute certainty. Uncertainty is inevitable at the frontiers of knowledge.” ~ National Geographic Magazine
Atsme's contribution to science: Life is all about having fun so if you're not living, you're not having any fun.Talk📧
The most useful used skill I've discovered for Alexa - Alexa, call me. Now, if I can only get it to work with my keys.
Autocorrect has become my worst enema.
On a sign at a restaurant in Texas: Treat your Mom to a Margarita! You're probably the reason she drinks.
Research reveals that people who drink heavily are much more likely to experience retrospective memory loss. Isn't that why we drink?
I can fix stupid, but it's gonna hurt.
I have never faked a sarcasm in my life!
I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you.
I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. (attributed to Mark Twain, but could have been Grant Allen)
Atsme is not just a writer, she's award winning...she won a place in the psycho ward.
Ah, the effect of being affected while being affected by the effectiveness of the effect of the affectation of the effector's effective affecting effect. Infective, no?jc37
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When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. All the pain is felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid.
How Do I Know?
I don’t know how much I don’t know because there’s no way to gage how much I don’t know when I don’t know what it is I don’t know, so stop telling me I should've known.
There has to be some merit to “ignorance is bliss"
Words
People who confuse the words "burro" and "burrow" don't know
their ass from a hole in the ground.
And then comes the time when you finally realize that you don't know shit.
Snake in the Bullpen
"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing. You figure, the snake hasn't bitten anybody yet, so you just let him crawl around on the factory floor. We need to build an environment where the first guy who sees the snake kills it." ~Ross Perot
Terms We Use
We need to rethink some of the terms we use in the English language.
"I'm sorry, but you two appear to be:
treating each other civilly
accepting the possibility that your own actions might not have been correct
trying to work out the best thing to do for the project without concern for you own egos.
I don't know where you people think you are, but you definitely don't understand how WP:AN is supposed to work. Where's the disrespect? The attacking of each other's characters and motives? The entertaining temper tantrums? Please immediately review other threads on this noticeboard, so you can better participate in WP:AN. Right now you look like rookies.
I don't do AFD, so I have no opinion on whether to relist or not (couldn't hurt, tho, right?), but that's a good example of what should be going on here; useless babble without any helpful outcome. --barneca (talk) 9:57 pm, 16 September 2008, Tuesday (10 years, 8 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−5)
Carrots may be good for your eyes, but booze will double your vision.
To me, "drink responsibly" means don't spill it.
Useful quotes relative to WP:PAG
To say it in WikiVoice, or not?
While this list of sources is really good and does establish "commonly used by reliable sources" I think we should additionally ask ourselves - what added benefit is there to Misplaced Pages saying it "in our own voice" as against simply reporting in a neutral manner that it is common for his comments to be described as racist.
As of this moment, we are engaging in what I think is admirable short-term restraint. We say in the lede "He has a history of making controversial comments." That's fine as far as it goes, because 'controversial comments' is true, and is neither positive nor negative as an evaluation. Sometimes controversial comments are good, sometimes they are bad. Fine.
But we are at the same time here being too cautious, I think, in that we fail to inform the reader as to why the comments are controversial. Is he saying things that might be controversial in Iowa like "Gay marriage should be legal" or "Marijuana prohibition has done more harm than good"? No, actually.
So I think we should cautiously say something like "He has a history of making comments that have commonly been referred to as racist." Well, maybe 9 footnotes is excessive, but you see my point. We have more than enough to make the point that the reader needs to know, and I think the point is stronger than if we simply say, in our own voice, that he has a history of making racist comments. ~Jimbo Wales (talk) 9:57 am, 19 June 2018, Tuesday (19 days ago) (UTC−5)
To include it in a BLP, or not?
BLPs wherein a subject's work, beliefs or ideologies are perhaps more controversial than the actual subject, should not become focused on bolstering and subsequently refuting the subject's views or theories rather than actually defining the subject. In many cases this may in fact be due to the subject trying to push their own ideas, while others work diligently to refute them, but many such cases involve editors who have no affiliation with the subject other than a personal belief/disbelief in their work. A person's biography is not a good place to debate scientific theory or ideological beliefs; such debates belong in the articles that focus on those topics. For BLPs, it is enough to simply state what their views are and link to the articles which expand on those views. ~
(quote by Zaerethedited for brevity; Jimbo Walesagreed with Zaereth’s explanation.)
Politics, presidents and NPOV
I'd like to add that I don't mind a little bit of personal chit-chat here about politics, I'd like to always seek to tie it back to Misplaced Pages. We have chosen a very tough job: NPOV. Dislike for the President, fear about things that are happening in the world, may make it emotionally harder to remain neutral, but remain neutral we must. I happen to personally think that given the decline in quality of the media across the board (there are still fantastic journalists out there, but overall the landscape isn't great) the best way for us to help the world heal is neutrality. -- Jimbo Wales (talk)] 3:12 pm, 8 January 2019, Tuesday (UTC−6)
Deprecated sources & when to IAR
Jimbo's response to an editor's statement to not cite The Daily Mail as a source in articles because it has been deprecated. "No, that is not true. It is true that the Daily Mail is generally prohibited as a source, but in Misplaced Pages terminology that does not mean an absolute ban. Exceptions to the general rule can and do exist, per WP:IAR as well as general common sense in specific circumstances." --Jimbo Wales
Free thought isn't free anymore
“I have no beef with my colleagues, many of whom I admire and are friends,” Sullivan tweeted. “The underlying reasons for the split are pretty self-evident.” But he expressed solidarity with Weiss: “The mob bullied and harassed a young woman for thoughtcrimes. And her editors stood by and watched.”
(Excerpt from NYTimes)
Writing for the opponent
"Writing for the opponent is an important trait of good editors. They must be able to divorce themselves from their own POV so much that they can bend over backwards to aid in the writing of content which documents views they do not like. They must never block the inclusion of content which opposes their own POV or political positions. If they cannot do this, they should recuse themselves from the topic and edit in other areas. Editors who are unwilling or unable to write for the opponent are incapable of truly understanding or abiding by the NPOV policy. As such they will always cause problems."
(see WP:NPOV means neutral editors, not neutral content)
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When to turn in the bit
My views on this are quite simple. An admin telling a user to "grow the fuck up" is absolutely unacceptable under any circumstances and is ground for immediate desysopping. If we care about having a serious, thoughtful, kind, adult and mature community (which I assume was the sentiment behind that unseemly outburst) then we have to model that behavior ourselves as admins. There's a bit of sad irony in behaving in a juvenile and bullying fashion in an attempt to get others to behave better. Bwilkins, I recommend that you turn in your bit and take a break from being an admin for 6 months and then return if you feel you can handle the job in a more responsible fashion.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
What Am I Doing Here...
Did you ever stop to consider that being equal may hold you back?
Do you want to make money from Misplaced Pages? It's easy! Log out and go to work!
For a lesson in the proper English application of the F-word see: this video
Is "group think" the academic version of "mob mentality"? Conformity!
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If my blood pressure is too low, I drink red wine.
For high blood pressure, I drink scotch.
When I have a cold, I drink schnapps.”
My friend asked, “When do you drink water?”
I replied, “I’ve never been that sick.”
My medical entrance exam:
When I was young, I decided to enroll in medical school.
On the entrance exam, we were asked to unscramble the letters...
PNEIS
...to form the name of an important human body part that is most useful when erect.
The students who answered SPINE are doctors today, and the rest of us are editing Misplaced Pages.
Four Worms
Four worms were placed in 4 separate test tubes:
1st in beer
2nd in wine
3rd in whiskey
4th in mineral water
The next day, the teacher shows the results:
The 1st worm in beer - dead.
The 2nd in wine - dead.
The 3rd in whiskey - dead.
The 4th in mineral water - alive and in good health.
The teacher asks the class:
What did you learn from this experience?
A student responds:
Whoever drinks beer, wine and whiskey does not have worms.
Wait! There’s more!
I know a guy who's addicted to brake fluid. He says he can stop any time.
I stayed up all night to see where the sun went. Then it dawned on me.
This girl said she recognized me from the vegetarian club, but I'd never met herbivore.
Atsme's Education
I was educated at MIT, then went to Harvard. After that, things got fishy.
If only...
...sarcasm burned calories.
...you knew, you would know.
...closed minds came with closed mouths.
...mosquitos sucked fat instead of blood.
...the good died young, we'd be here forever.
...my teeth were as white as my legs.
...more people were fluent in silence.
When A Grizzly Attacks
Hiker to park ranger, "Ranger, how does one survive a bear attack?"
Ranger replies, Easy...remove the "f" from the word "way".
Hiker responds, "There's no "f" in "way".
Ranger replies, "Exactly."
Thought Grenades...
It is much easier to ride a horse in the direction it is going. ~Abraham Lincoln
It gets late early out there. ~Yogi Bera
There comes a time on Misplaced Pages when it's important to know when to stop arguing with editors, and simply let them be wrong.
Nodding the head does not row the boat. — Irish Proverb
Make haste slowly. —Kikkoman
Be who you are, say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. — Bernard Baruch
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." —Randy Pausch
I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. ~ Blaise Pascal
Patience is a virtue. Give karma a chance.
I may not be young enough to know everything, but I'm old enough to not believe everything.
A tip for longevity: Never believe the impossible can't happen to you.
“It is well known that human choices are affected by the way in which a question is phrased.” ~ Benedetto de Martino
Dear Karma, I have a list of people you missed. Don't sweat it! Karma's only a bitch if you're one first.
Who punched the spike?
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”The encyclopedia’s reliance on outside sources, primarily newspapers, means it will be only as diverse as the rest of the media—which is to say, not very.”
Re: the above Bloomberg article, "not very" is quite accurate, but I remain cautiously optimistic that once RECENTISM dies down, things will greatly improve.
"Since decisions are by those who participate in a localized discussion, leaving cedes the decision-making power to those willing to engage in the least logical and sane response. This incentivizes not just obsessive but also belligerent behavior and even harassment, and empowers those privileged with the time and resources to engage in this behavior. Minor quibbles about grammar is one thing, but these techniques are frequently used by political ideologues, ethnic nationalists, and conspiracy theorists. Professor Bryce Peake called this the “hegemony of the asshole consensus.”
No need to elaborate further on that particular quote. Some will be able to relate, whereas others will find it insulting. For more info, see Misplaced Pages @ 20. You may decide to submit your own essay. Talk📧14:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Should it happen that a cabal of admins, operating on the talk page of an article or the lion's den of AN/I, manage to block you on an invented charge, the world will continue to turn. The grass will grow, the birds will lay eggs, the number of Pokémon-related articles will still double every 1.7 weeks, and articles on weathermen will be brought to AfD. Sure, it won't be done as smoothly and as elegantly as when you did it, but it will be done. This encyclopedic project will continue to turn. Sad, but true.
Good morning, HeartatSchool. Thank you for volunteering to take a NPP training course. I am happy to accept you as a trainee. Please allow me a bit of time to create the training pages, and I will ping you from there. Atsme💬📧12:32, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
WPM
My concern about deleting this article would be that editors would then take that as an excuse to dump content from the article into the individual articles on the individuals mentioned in the article. In fact, that's exactly the reason I created Demographics of the Supreme Court of the United States many years ago – people kept adding conspiratorial material to other articles about the number of Catholic justices; now it's all in one place, explained in context, and does not clutter up biographies or other pages on the court. BD2412T19:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
You're quite welcome, CommanderWaterford. I will prepare your NPP course tomorrow and when it's ready, will ping you to start the course. Good luck! Atsme💬📧23:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
😂 But wait...there are special meds for WP editors who experience stress, vandalism, severe cases of WP:CIR, and the occasional WP:PA. You'll have to click on the image to enlarge it so you can read the fine print. There is a lot to take in, literally. I pinged you to your training session. You may begin. Atsme💬📧23:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, BDD - I have been snowed under in RL and on en.WP and Commons, so I have not had a chance to look at CENT. I'm headed to that discussion now, and again, thank you! Atsme💬📧19:13, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Kev...well, I agree it's not the best example, and I don't want it to seem like I'm supporting what the articles say 100%. I will add a few links that demonstrate the generalities and breadth of the issues, not just AP2. For example, Wired, this Stanford article, and Investor's Business Daily, if you think it would help bring clarity. I also thought about adding this one, although the updates stopped in 2017 when that editor left the project. I didn't intend to make it just about AP2 because it involves so much more than that topic area. I do so want us to be on the road to resolution so editors can present their arguments collegially without fear of being t-banned or blocked by surprise for some ridiculous reason. Atsme💬📧00:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
An article you created or have significantly contributed to has been nominated for deletion. The article is being discussed at the deletion discussion, located here. North America11:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
You posted to my talk page to say that I'd "restored challenged edits" to the leads of World Patent Marketing, and to accuse me of violating site policies. Because you didn't provide any diffs, and because I have no idea in which edit I might have restored the material you're concerned about, I asked for a clarification and diff on my talk page. You haven't responded, so I'm asking the same question here. Which of my edits restored challenged material to the lead of the article in question? MastCell18:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
In going through edits and disputes related to World Patent Marketing, I noted that, in this edit, you linked Omar Rivero to the company in the lead of the article.
You did not provide any (much less "multiple") reliable third-party sources linking Rivero to the scam in question. You did cite a press release from the scam company itself, but hopefully I don't need to explain why press releases from fraudulent scam companies are not third-party reliable sources. If multiple reliable third-party sources link Rivero to WPM, then of course we should include his name, but I shouldn't have to explain to you that such sources are necessary.
Your edit was a clear and fairly serious violation of WP:BLP. Since it hasn't been repeated, I am coming here rather than escalating it, but given the foundational importance of BLP policy, your frequent invocation of it, and your continued references to Rivero in connection to the WPM scam, I'm asking that you stop, re-read WP:BLP, and acknowledge the key importance of third-party reliable sources in determining how and whether we mention potentially negative material about living people. MastCell19:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
You sure it's smart to give warnings and threaten admin action at an article you are so very clearly involved at? I would just move along if I were you, but hey what do I know. PackMecEng (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
He has clearly and unequivocally engaged in hounding for the past TWO YEARS, and has insulted several editors to the point even Jimbo said he needed to modify his approach. He just made a huge mistake with this warning. Atsme💬📧19:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
MastCell, I have given some thought to your behavior toward me, and it's pretty obvious that it's HOUNDING by an involved admin; therefore, for my own well-being and peace of mind, I don't want you posting on my UTP again. I have muted your pings, and hope that you will show me the courtesy of voluntarily steering clear of me all together. I consider it to be the best option for both of us. Atsme💬📧03:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Copy editing Help
Hi Atsme! I saw your name on the Misplaced Pages:Peer review volunteers list and I was wondering if you're up for helping to edit and review Cueva de las Manos, an article that I've been working on recently, for spelling, grammar, and general copyediting. Thank you for your consideration!
I've had some difficulty changing the format of the body to match that of the lead, primarily due to difficulties with paraphrasing. I'm also nervous about flow when it comes to the combining of sentences. I know the wording is choppy in areas and that combining sentences is probably the best way to fix that, but for some reason I have had a difficulty in doing that. I have, however, turned Carlos Gradín into a stub per the talk page, and I've also made some small changes. I haven't been very good at spotting the terminology differences either.
Also, do you think that I should get some prehistoric art history/rock art/archaeology experts from the volunteer list to look at the article? I don't know if there are any on the volunteer list, but maybe if not you might know some other users who are? Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:27, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
What you're doing right now is prepping for a peer review, so my suggestion is to simply post a request for collaborators to help prep the article, and post it on the relative Project TPs, then sit back and see what happens. After the article is prepped, then simply follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/guidelines. In fact, I'm pinging FunkMonk - maybe he can help because he is into art and dinosaurs, etc. Atsme💬📧23:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Looks interesting, I can sure give it a peer review, but have my hands a bit full when it comes to hands on article work. You can always list it at WP:COPYEDITORS if that's your main concern. FunkMonk (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Perfect!! I tweaked the lead a bit but haven't done anything to the body text. My brain is fried tonight, so I might look at it in the wee hours of the morning. It will take me a couple of days of prepping and then I'll ping you again. Good to hear from you, FunkMonk!! Atsme💬📧00:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Atsme & FunkMonk: Awesome, and thank you both!!! I've just finished up posting a request for collaborators on each of the article's WikiProject's TPs, so we'll see who else decides to come in to help prep. Thanks again to both of you for your willingness to help :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Just a little note so my (talk page watcher)s won't think I got dragged to the drama board. I had reservations about a close, notified the closer ThadeusOfNazereth about my concerns, and we engaged in a thoughtful and polite discussion. I was still left with questions and felt admin input was needed. Thadeus was amenable, and without hesitation took the review request to ANI. When I received this notice, I suggested the move to AN. Thadeus was not only courteous throughout, I will add knowledgeable and highly ethical, showing no reluctance to have their work reviewed. I was quite impressed by their behavior - definitely a future prospect for our admin corps. However, I was quite surprised by the reception I received at AN - nothing short of chilling because of a few, not the many. No editor should be subject to PAs as I was for (1) discussing a close with the closer, (2) having more trust in the judgement of our admins to close a controversial discussion, or (3) requesting a review of a non-admin close. Thadeus also expressed concern over the reception I received. What I experienced at AN serves to further validate my position and support of a mandatory 10 year admin evaluation. Behavior that violates WMF's Code of Conduct should be addressed expediently. Our current system is definitely flawed, and I am grateful and optimistic that some of our new Arbs are aware of those flaws, and are seeking a long term remedy. I wish them luck and hope they can bring about this much needed change. Atsme💬📧10:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
McCarthyism comes to mind...and then there's this which sounds great in theory, but in practice? No-workie according to Forbes but definitely "hip and trendy". The explanation - gotta love how they show the higher gross wages without mentioning how much the government takes from that wage - typically 40% to 70% so they end-up with far less. It's basically inflation at it's finest - wages go up, and so does the cost of living. The wage-earner is back to square one. But then, there's this to wet one's appetite. Atsme💬📧12:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
The behavior towards you was at times well past the line. One person practically called you a racist, yet admins didn't seem to care about that. It's why I'm taking steps back from this place, nothing is worth the hassle and headache of this place. Sir Joseph19:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I didn't see that comment before you pointed out. And there it was at AN. The admins must've been busy like me and overlooked it. I just posted a warning on their UTP. I don't even want to think about it at this point. I'm not going to be bullied off WP - oh no - I've got a much better plan. The bullying, rude and radical behavior will come to an end...eventually. WP has no deadlines. Atsme💬📧21:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I think Cher's audio mixer-effects person probably toyed with some digital effects (ever so slightly) in this song. I think Frampton & Cher are about the same age so isn't that close to the time those types of digital effects were gaining in popularity? Of course, Willie Nelson has his own sound effect - they're called vocal chords. 🤣 Atsme💬📧21:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
I hadn't heard of of the term "lawfare" until the other day but that makes me think of real-word "Wikilawyering". Interesting there's a section discussing whether lawfare's a positive or negative term. I think "Wikilawyering" is generally viewed negatively but maybe if we took a more nuanced view then maybe being accused of doing something like that wouldn't be viewed as a personal attack.
Regarding "mandatory 10 year admin evaluations", 10 years is a long time to go before an evaluation. I just had my 10-year anniversary as an editor nine days ago, but nobody noticed! It will be four+ more years before I've been an admin for 10. I think we have about the right amount of appropriate desysops, and there's already plenty of drama associated with them. I'd hate to create more drama by making these public reviews mandatory for everyone. But it would be nice if there was a better way to head off bad behavior before it escalated to the ArbCom case level. The drama boards aren't the answer. Just a thought, maybe reviews could be done more like in the real world. Whoever had their job-performance reviews conducted in a conference room filled with all their co-workers? Maybe a review could be conducted by having editors submit their comments in confidence to ArbCom or some other group trusted with the task (Trust & Safety) with the comments then being summarized and packed into a private email back to the admin being reviewed. Possibly the reviews could include a numerical performance rating with the average rating of all reviewers being shared, and this would create a positive incentive for admins to compete to try to become the highest-rated admin. And give the highest-rated tier of admins bigger pay raises LOL – wbm1058 (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
How your adversaries see you!!Unfortunately, Judgefish arrived late - the hangin' is at eight AM.I pictured Tryp to look more like this.Nope, Atsme, I'm much better looking than that. See what nice teeth I have? --Tripp
That's an interesting concept, wbm. Where did you come across the word "lawfare"? As for the evaluations, we need a way for editors to express their concerns without raising more concerns because of alliances, or feeling intimidated that if they do say something, they'll be targeted. It's a toughy, for sure. We're only human, so we're quicker to dismiss violations by wikifriends than we would be for someone who demonstrates a completely different POV, or someone we don't know (unless Tryptofish is judging, and then everybody's fair game 😂). I won't deny that I would be hesitant to throw a wikifriend under the bus, so I'd probably recuse, unless it was such an egregious offense that they lost my trust as well. And really, that's the only time an admin needs to intervene anyway. I am far more lenient when it comes to the grey areas, like "bludgeoning" which is malleable - it's just too easy to accuse someone of bludgeoning and make it stick. The only times I've seen it used was to game the system, and I would rather see it disappear all together because we all know the bludgeoning allegation tends to rear its ugly head when there's bias or concern that the accused bludgeoner will actually win the argument. I've only seen one instance in the past decade of real bludgeoning (not to be confused with tl;dr) - and it was a newbie, but that can be fixed. It takes two to Tango, so there can't be bludgeoning unless others are dancing with them. Bludgeoning is a contradiction of WP's no deadline - discussion is far more important, and if you can't reach a decision (consensus) locally, take it to the wider community. Most of our PAGs don't need admin intervention - except for threats, blatant PAs, vandalism and, and...well, what else requires admin intervention? Atsme💬📧22:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Hanging at eight? As long as it's after Happy Hour! By the way, I don't look anything like that caricature, but just maybe I wear that kind of wig. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:52, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry Atsme, I can't recall where I ran across "lawfare". I've been working the linked misspellings beat you've occasionally helped with, and maybe I noticed it in one of those articles. I "bookmarked" it and by the time I got back to that tab I forgot where I was when I'd saved it. I guess my short-term memory isn't what it used to be. Right, I don't like to use that word that literally means "An assault with a club or similar weapon". I think the essay might be more effective if it didn't use that term. It does link to "tendentious", which is a guideline supplement that should carry more weight than an essay. wbm1058 (talk) 03:18, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Well, Wbm1058 I can certainly relate to the open tabs/memory issues. I also agree with the rest of what you said, and thank you for your input! One of these days, I'd like to go back to working with misspellings but I've already committed to a pretty heavy workload as it is with NPP training, and working permissions over at Commons. I'd also like to get some of the kinks worked out of our RS rating system...which just reminded me to start a new section. Atsme💬📧19:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I am puzzled by your statement. With another editor, and other issues, this would be a solid and sensible re-statement of basic principles. But in Pkeet's case, they are adopting a threadbare sham of a pretense, disingenuously posing as a genuine querent who honestly thinks that James O'Keefe's latest fraudfest is a reliable source for impeaching some of our most solid (not perfect, but solid) sources. --Orange Mike | Talk01:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Mike!! How have you been? Ahhh, my statement...sometimes my statements puzzle me. I have not kept up with the O'Keefe drama. It's pretty recent, right? I thought O'Keefe was debunked a long time ago. Anyway, I'd like to see stricter adherence to RECENTISM, and let Wikinews handle all current affairs and breaking news. Our encyclopedia isn't dependent on political articles, and I think it's safe to say, they aren't bringing home any bacon, either. I'm not all that familiar with Pkeet, but I did take a look at some of his history. I supported his first t-ban, obviously with good cause but if my memory serves, it was a behavioral issue. I'm not seeing good cause at AE this time around, and I did mention it to the OP suggesting that he bring us better diffs if he wanted a different result. I'm of the mind that all news sources should be approached with caution, and that editors should not automatically take everything they read at face value (except maybe the Sports section) without at least doing some research to corroborate the material, making sure it extends beyond the echo chamber, and aligns with one's common sense...and use in-text attribution. Atsme💬📧 05:11, April 20, 2021
Thank you, sweet Gerda. Your tidbits of kindness and pretty pictures are a bright spot in an otherwise gruelling day. Atsme💬📧09:44, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
The gruelling comes in waves, the force of which can be measured on a vitriolograph used for measuring vitriolic waves that radiate throughout the project. Right now, the graph indicates a low peak, for me at least. As to your post, Gerda, I say Amen...Aaaa-men!!! Atsme💬📧13:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I'd say the captain of that ship lost his sea legs! Wbm1058, thanks for sharing!! And you're absolutely right about the drama! I also just noticed that I misformatted the link to (my made-up word) vitriolograph in the section above and just now fixed it. Gotta get back on track. Atsme💬📧00:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Funny how they built that hotel to look like a cruise ship, and it probably feels like you're on a cruise with the ocean around you. I'd want a balcony suite. Nothing wrong with putting our imagination to good use. Atsme💬📧14:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Highly recommended
Member of the Broadcasting Hall of Fame, former ABC News anchor Ted Koppel is interviewed on PBS. His explanation about today's news media not only supports most of what I've attempted to explain on WP, and at times have been challenged or castigated over, he presents it much more eloquently and with much more detail. He isn't under the pressure of getting dragged to AE for telling it like it is, which in the days of yore, was an admirable characteristic...long before the emergence of "political correctness", and censorship on Facebook & Twitter - you know, when US citizens were able to fully enjoy their 1st Amendment rights without offending someone somewhere. Perhaps it's time to rejuvenate some of the old didactic rhymes, like Sticks and Stones. Just a thought... Atsme💬📧12:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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Like ... but the very beginning reminded me of old Peter Frampton on steroids .. lol. — Ched (talk) 20:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
to see the C-suites on the ship 
that's been to the mountaintop – wbm1058 (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)