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01. Use the official White House portrait as the infobox image. (Dec 2016, Jan 2017, Oct 2017, March 2020) (temporarily suspended by #19 following copyright issues on the inauguration portrait, enforced when an official public-domain portrait was released on 31 October 2017)

02. Show birthplace as "Queens, New York City, U.S." in the infobox. (Nov 2016, Oct 2018, Feb 2021) "New York City" de-linked. (September 2020)

03. Omit reference to county-level election statistics. (Dec 2016)

05. Use Trump's annual net worth evaluation and matching ranking, from the Forbes list of billionaires, not from monthly or "live" estimates. (Oct 2016) In the lead section, just write: Forbes estimates his net worth to be billion. (July 2018, July 2018) Removed from the lead per #47.

06. Do not include allegations of sexual misconduct in the lead section. (June 2016, Feb 2018)

09. Include a link to Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2017) Include a link to an archive of Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2021)

12. The article title is Donald Trump, not Donald J. Trump. (RM Jan 2017, RM June 2019)

13. Auto-archival is set for discussions with no comments for 7 days. Manual archival is allowed for (1) closed discussions, 24 hours after the closure, provided the closure has not been challenged, and (2) "answered" edit requests, 24 hours after the "answer", provided there has been no follow-on discussion after the "answer". (Jan 2017) (amended with respect to manual archiving, to better reflect common practice at this article) (Nov 2019)

14. Omit mention of Trump's alleged bathmophobia/fear of slopes. (Feb 2017)

22. Do not call Trump a "liar" in Misplaced Pages's voice. Falsehoods he uttered can be mentioned, while being mindful of calling them "lies", which implies malicious intent. (RfC Aug 2017, upheld by RfC July 2024)

25. In citations, do not code the archive-related parameters for sources that are not dead. (Dec 2017, March 2018)

26. Do not include opinions by Michael Hayden and Michael Morell that Trump is a "useful fool manipulated by Moscow" or an "unwitting agent of the Russian Federation". (RfC April 2018)

27. State that Trump falsely claimed that Hillary Clinton started the Barack Obama birther rumors. (April 2018, June 2018)

28. Include, in the Wealth section, a sentence on Jonathan Greenberg's allegation that Trump deceived him in order to get on the Forbes 400 list. (June 2018, June 2018)

29. Include material about the Trump administration family separation policy in the article. (June 2018)

30. Supersedes #24. The lead includes: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist." (RfC Sep 2018, Oct 2018, RfC May 2019)

31. Do not mention Trump's office space donation to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/Push Coalition in 1999. (Nov 2018)

32. Omit from the lead the fact that Trump is the first sitting U.S. president to meet with a North Korean supreme leader. (RfC July 2018, Nov 2018)

33. Do not mention "birtherism" in the lead section. (RfC Nov 2018)

34. Refer to Ivana Zelníčková as a Czech model, with a link to Czechs (people), not Czechoslovakia (country). (Jan 2019)

37. Resolved: Content related to Trump's presidency should be limited to summary-level about things that are likely to have a lasting impact on his life and/or long-term presidential legacy. If something is borderline or debatable, the resolution does not apply. (June 2019)

38. Do not state in the lead that Trump is the wealthiest U.S. president ever. (RfC June 2019)

39. Supersedes #21 and #36. Do not include any paragraph regarding Trump's mental health or mental fitness for office. Do not bring up for discussion again until an announced formal diagnosis or WP:MEDRS-level sources are provided. This does not prevent inclusion of content about temperamental fitness for office. (RfC Aug 2019, July 2021)

40. Include, when discussing Trump's exercise or the lack thereof: He has called golfing his "primary form of exercise", although he usually does not walk the course. He considers exercise a waste of energy, because he believes the body is "like a battery, with a finite amount of energy" which is depleted by exercise. (RfC Aug 2019)

41. Omit book authorship (or lack thereof) from the lead section. (RfC Nov 2019)

42. House and Senate outcomes of the impeachment process are separated by a full stop. For example: He was impeached by the House on December 18, 2019, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 5, 2020. (Feb 2020)

43. The rules for edits to the lead are no different from those for edits below the lead. For edits that do not conflict with existing consensus: Prior consensus is NOT required. BOLD edits are allowed, subject to normal BRD process. The mere fact that an edit has not been discussed is not a valid reason to revert it. (March 2020)

44. The lead section should mention North Korea, focusing on Trump's meetings with Kim and some degree of clarification that they haven't produced clear results. (RfC May 2020)

46. Use the caption "Official portrait, 2017" for the infobox image. (Aug 2020, Jan 2021)

47. Do not mention Trump's net worth or Forbes ranking (or equivalents from other publications) in the lead, nor in the infobox. (Sep 2020)

48. Supersedes #45. Trump's reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic should be mentioned in the lead section. There is no consensus on specific wording, but the status quo is Trump reacted slowly to the COVID-19 pandemic; he minimized the threat, ignored or contradicted many recommendations from health officials, and promoted false information about unproven treatments and the availability of testing. (Oct 2020, RfC Aug 2020)

49. Supersedes #35. Include in lead: Trump has made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. (Dec 2020)

50. Supersedes #17. The lead sentence is: Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021. (March 2021), amended (July 2021), inclusion of politician (RfC September 2021)

51. Include in the lead that many of Trump's comments and actions have been characterized as misogynistic. (Aug 2021 and Sep 2021)

52. Supersedes #23. The lead should contain a summary of Trump's actions on immigration, including the Muslim travel ban (cf. item 23), the wall, and the family separation policy. (September 2021)

53. The lead should mention that Trump promotes conspiracy theories. (RfC October 2021)

54. Include in the lead that, quote, Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history. (RfC October 2021) Amended after re-election: After his first term, scholars and historians ranked Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history. (November 2024)

55. Regarding Trump's comments on the 2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, do not wiki-link "Trump's comments" in this manner. (RfC December 2021)

56. Retain the content that Trump never confronted Putin over its alleged bounties against American soldiers in Afghanistan but add context. Current wording can be altered or contextualized; no consensus was achieved on alternate wordings. (RfC November 2021) Trump's expressions of doubt regarding the Russian Bounties Program should be included in some capacity, though there there is no consensus on a specific way to characterize these expressed doubts. (RfC March 2022)

57. Do not mention in the lead Gallup polling that states Trump's the only president to never reach 50% approval rating. (RfC January 2022)

58. Use inline citations in the lead for the more contentious and controversial statements. Editors should further discuss which sentences would benefit from having inline citations. (RfC May 2022, discussion on what to cite May 2022)

59. Do not label or categorize Trump as a far-right politician. (RfC August 2022)

60. Insert the links described in the RfC January 2023.

61. When a thread is started with a general assertion that the article is biased for or against Trump (i.e., without a specific, policy-based suggestion for a change to the article), it is to be handled as follows:

1. Reply briefly with a link to Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias, optionally using its shortcut, WP:TRUMPRCB.
2. Close the thread using {{archive top}} and {{archive bottom}}, referring to this consensus item.
3. Wait at least 24 hours per current consensus #13.
4. Manually archive the thread.

This does not apply to posts that are clearly in bad faith, which are to be removed on sight. (May 2023)

62. The article's description of the five people who died during and subsequent to the January 6 Capitol attack should avoid a) mentioning the causes of death and b) an explicit mention of the Capitol Police Officer who died. (RfC July 2023)

63. Supersedes #18. The alma mater field of the infobox reads: "University of Pennsylvania (BS)". (September 2023)

64. Omit the {{Very long}} tag. (January 2024)

65. Mention the Abraham Accords in the article; no consensus was achieved on specific wordings. (RfC February 2024)

66. Omit {{infobox criminal}}. (RfC June 2024)

67. The "Health habits" section includes: "Trump says he has never drunk alcohol, smoked cigarettes, or used drugs. He sleeps about four or five hours a night." (February 2021)

Add COVID-19 Recession to Paragraph 4 of Article

In paragraph 4 of the article, the part that details President Trump's reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic (in the sentence after his appointments of Supreme Court justices), it should include a sentence about how the pandemic led to an economic recession that led to President Trump leaving office with fewer jobs than when his term began. This detail about the economy is crucial, because the recession itself played a big role in Trump losing re-election. Even though this Misplaced Pages article is a biography of Trump and not an article about the COVID-19 recession, the Misplaced Pages articles for Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and George W. Bush discuss the economy. More specifically, the article for President Bush details the United States entering the Great Recession. Therefore, please consider adding a sentence about how the United States suffered a recession during the part of the article where Trump's response to COVID-19 is mentioned.

The sentence can be something like this: "He reacted slowly to the COVID-19 pandemic, ignored, mocked, or contradicted many recommendations from health officials in his messaging, promoted misinformation about unproven treatments and the availability of testing, and presided over the American response to the COVID-19 recession."

Fugitive?

Is Trump a Fugitive? I see no detail in article but it has the following category: >Category:Fugitives wanted by Iran Some please verify and delete Category as needed. Thanks, SWP13 (talk) 04:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I found this reference from NPR. The red notice doesn't really seem that notable for this article though. There are already so many other things we can talk about other than a warrant from another country. Mgasparin (talk) 06:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

It's not just "another country", it's Iran, we already have a Foreign policy subsection named for this very sort of international relationship complication. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

No he is not.Slatersteven (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Depends on whose looking for him..I say he is 2600:1702:2340:9470:E0AC:CD44:4802:427 (talk) 20:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

We know who wants him, and his biography already has a paragraph about the man he killed to become a wanted man. If I was capable of simply citing statements, one simple sentence on the consequences of blowing up another country's national hero would be simple. Simple for someone else, I still insist. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

No. He is not a fugitive.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:24, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Then how do you explain the warrant for his arrest on suspicion of murder, ten months in effect? He's not running away from INTERPOL. But if he ever wants to visit Iran, he's damn sure gotta slip in through the unmarked sewer entrance disguised as a cloud, or he's going to jail. That's a fact, Jack. He's only "bulletproof" or "Teflon" domestically (but pretty much safe in Canada and Norway, too). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. He's not running away.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Laying low counts as evasion. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:48, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

If Trump ever lays low — well, let me know.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I just did, so this isn't working out between us, I'm hanging up. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

He is not in hiding, he is not on the lam, he has not had a request for extradition made against him.Slatersteven (talk) 08:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. This is ridiculous.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

The US has formally designated the proper Iranian authorities a Foreign Terrorist Organization, and informally "refuses to negotiate with terrorists", what do you expect, teamwork? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, he is neither "a person who has escaped from captivity or is in hiding". It does not matter why this is the case, what matters is he does not fit the definition of fugitive.Slatersteven (talk) 09:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

He knows he's wanted. He could and arguably should turn himself in (with a GOOD lawyer). But he remains harboured, safely. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

So? It does not matter if he is wanted, to be a fugitive he must be fleeing and hiding, he has done neither. Nor is he being harboured, it is just that Iran has made no formal request for his extradition. This is just political theatre on the part of Iran and has no place being given credence by us unless RS say he is a fugitive.Slatersteven (talk) 13:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Again, the US and Iran have no formal extradition system between them. Same as how Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya didn't with America, but you wouldn't say their former leaders weren't wanted by the foreign country. Or maybe you would, somehow. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Again, that is irrelevant to be a fugitive he must be on the run, not, not being on the run. Being a fugitive and being wanted are not the same thingSlatersteven (talk) 09:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

The second sentence of Fugitive says you're mistaken. Maybe it's mistaken. Can you offer any differences between a "wanted person" and a "fugitive"? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

A. Misplaced Pages is not an RS, B. No it does not, as Trump is not "taking refuge in a different country in order to avoid arrest", as he is (in fact) a resident (and citizen) of the USA (and in fact has left to go to other countries as well, and I am not sure he has ever actually even been to Iran), nor is he "hiding from law enforcement in the state". Drop this silliness please, this is going to be my last word on this.Slatersteven (talk) 09:21, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Two good points, I concede to you. He's also taking refuge in America to avoid familiar domestic media and state process servers, and is mainly refusing to visit Iran because he's heard it's one of "those shithole countries" that keeps "children in cages" with "murderers and rapists" always "invading" from Iraq and "crossing in caravans" from Afghanistan. Same reason Bush and Obama could surrender, but "just don't wanna". InedibleHulk (talk) 10:14, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Laughable and irrelevant to Trump's bio. Iran's "warrants" are political theater, and carry no weight at all. Zaathras (talk) 13:04, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

This. Reliable sources rightly so give no weight to that warrant when talking about it beyond the "routine" coverage of covering it briefly when it first came out. Even in the small amount of coverage that it has received, many sources go to extra lengths to clarify that it's a political warrant, not a legitimate criminal warrant. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Are these reliable sources generally pro-America and anti-Iran? If so, fair enough to bury this for POV reasons. But the warrant is verifiable and active, and the story about the underlying crime in Trump's foreign policy section is thus plainly incomplete and falsely suggests this suspected terrorist was given impunity by everyone (for better or worse, arguably). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

• I thought this was done, because the thread topic was on including two specific categories (Category:Fugitives wanted by Iran and Category:Fugitives wanted by Iraq), and the overwhelming consensus is to not include them. They certainly aren't "defining" attributes of Trump. The categories were removed from the article over 24 hours ago, and while one editor insists on continuing to argue on whether Trump is a "fugitive", there's no argument here regarding Misplaced Pages policy suggesting these categories should be in the article. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 22:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Category or no, I've added the relevant info to the relevant section, using a story from NPR, an outlet already considered reliable there. Missing the URL, can't paste. Any mitigating factors or excuses within are fair game, too, if desired. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I've already fixed the ref. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 22:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. To be clear, re "covering it briefly when it first came out", I used the the NPR story from last June. Not the one above from six months later. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

This depends on your point of view..it`s not like he is ever going to be free to move around openly like let`s say Semion Mogilevich 2600:1702:2340:9470:8883:4B26:17AB:9CB3 (talk) 22:37, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see how this pertains to the persistent RS coverage. I also don't know who that is. But I added an Ebrahim Raisi declaration from Mgasparin's link above, more help citing? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:52, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Don`t know who is ? 2600:1702:2340:9470:8883:4B26:17AB:9CB3 (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Mogilevich (but have since dipped my toe, thanks for Wikilinking). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you..he`s as deep in it as Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin sure hope I don`t disappear 2600:1702:2340:9470:8883:4B26:17AB:9CB3 (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

If either of those ostentatious overblown oligarchs give you any grief, tell 'em the Hulkster says you can stay, brother! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks..nice to know there are still a few stand up guys out there..spam for everyone 2600:1702:2340:9470:8883:4B26:17AB:9CB3 (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

"Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist."

Can we also add misogynistic too? I feel like we should put something in the lead that says Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged and misogynistic. Ak-eater06 (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It seems obvious to me it should be..why isn`t already worded that way? 2600:1702:2340:9470:8883:4B26:17AB:9CB3 (talk) 22:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

We already have too much of a Litany of Sins in the lead section. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 22:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

What does that mean in English ? What are you really trying to say..that trump is not a misogynist or that it`s not a character flaw ? 2600:1702:2340:9470:8883:4B26:17AB:9CB3 (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It means that we don't have to list every negative trait about the man in the lead section. Just mathematically, we have only 4-6 paragraphs, and I'm sure there are at least 15 paragraphs of negative material to write about the man. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 22:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Do any RS say that "many of his comments and actions have been characterized as mysogonsitc"? The point is he used dog whilstes as a campighn strategy (which is what many RS claim), I am n9ot sure they havcwe said the same about him using mysogony to win votes.Slatersteven (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely. BBC is the top Google result, but there's a litany of RSP-greenlit sources to choose from. {{u|Sdkb}}  22:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Allegations about Trump's misogyny have been thoroughly documented and have received a comparable level of media attention to those relating to his racism. There is room in the lead for one additional word, and I strongly disagree with 力 that the fact that the information is negative in a lead with other negative information already present somehow means it should not be included. {{u|Sdkb}}  22:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support I agree..it needs to be in the lead in addition to the allegations of sexual misconduct against minors 2600:1702:2340:9470:ECAE:6827:C0A:C280 (talk) 23:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• I Support the addition of "misogyny" to the lead sentence. I've raised this point before (why does racism get the special call out?). Trump's misogyny/sexism has been widely reported and has been a common and persistent aspect of his life. Trump's treatment of female reporters was often horrible. The section in the article describing this has been "trimmed" and restored, etc, supporting citations removed; I've advocated for a substantive section. A description of this behavior and its consequences, before, during, and after presidency is entirely warranted in this biography. Recall that during one of their debates Clinton called him on it, mentioned as an indication of its importance. It is true that this starts a path down to making a list of sins, but I would oppose such a list. Bdushaw (talk) 11:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose No real sources have been provided for this statements or any sourcing providing to establish that this is WP:DUE weight for the article.  Spy-cicle💥  12:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Misogyny has been a hallmark of Trump's personal behavior and rhetoric over the course of his life, including while president, along with gaslighting women who then question his misogyny. It is well documented both academically and in the news; a simple google search comes up with hundreds of articles documenting this. It is an important addition to the lead sentence. Dr. Van Nostrand (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose adding to the current sentence, could propose adding that information in the lead in a reworked lead. Remember that BLP suggests that we avoid making any section/lead focus on negativity - having a bunch of negative information without context in one sentence in the lead violates that in my opinion. The more negativity is added to one sentence in the lead, the more we risk it being the "litany of sins" - which is not appropriate. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 00:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

  WP:BLP says no such thing. Our neutrality standards do say that articles should never focus unduly on negative information, but where sources have reported widely on negative information, we absolutely include it, otherwise the leads of a lot of serial killer pages would look a lot different. Arguing that we shouldn't include negative information because there's already other negative information and we can't have too much of it is the very definition of WP:FALSEBALANCE.It seems that there is rough consensus here to include; I'd encourage someone to close this sometime soon so that it doesn't drag on interminably. {{u|Sdkb}}  19:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  I based it on Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation that quote. The overall presentation of a sentence devoted entirely to this sort of negative information in the lead is similar to criticism sections - there are a plethora of negative (and a plethora of positive things, especially from before his politics) that could be included in the lead. We should not be attempting to "hang" a ton of negative words in the lead just because they can be reliably sourced. That's not false balance - it's true balance. His racism is much more prevalent in reliable sources - and elevating misogyny to be at the same level is inappropriate because there's maybe 5-10 times more reliable sources that discuss his racist comments/actions than his misogynistic ones. Which is exactly why I said I may support it being added elsewhere - may - if it can be done in such a way to not make it similar in weight to the racist comments, which have received much more attention in reliable sources than has this. Alternatively, I see no reason that the "race" and "sex" has to be called out - why can we not just change the wording altogether to be "discriminatory", as I feel that'd be supported and would encompass not only racial/gender discrimination but also sexual orientation (which can be reliably sourced) and all of his other hateful comments? -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Racist or Prejudice?

When I think of racism, it is a stronger form of prejudice where someone considers one race superior to another. Prejudice (pre-judgement) is "An unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. Any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. Unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group." Growing up, my generation was taught a very firm distinction between the two terms. I wholeheartedly, undoubtedly think Trump pre judges people based on race, religion, sex, gender, etc. He'll kick you out of a country but he wouldn't take it to the extremes. He's a fast talker from the 50's-80's and that is simply not the same thing.Jawz101 (talk) 15:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Please read wp:or and wp:soap.Slatersteven (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

In my generation and growing up in JIM CROW south..I was taught differently..it`s essentially the same thing..it is to me anyway 2600:1702:2340:9470:ECAE:6827:C0A:C280 (talk) 23:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Trump website

The official Trump post-presidential website is 45office.com. Why is it not listed? Ajlipp (talk) 06:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

https://www.45office.com Ajlipp (talk) 06:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Or is it https://www.donaldjtrump.com/?Slatersteven (talk) 09:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

In the same way that Obama has two sites: https://barackobama.com ("The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama") and https://obama.org (Obama Foundation), Trump also has two.

https://45office.com is "The Office of Donald J. Trump" and https://donaldjtrump.com is "Save America", a site for fundraising for Save America JFC, a joint fundraising committee of Save America and Make America Great Again PAC. Its legal disclaimer says it is "not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee." The site also forwards to a store for Trump merchandise, and forwards to https://45office.com via the "contact" link. Both sites catalog Trump's recent official statements. Ajlipp (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I changed the link to 45office. The other one, donaldjtrump, is just a link to the for-profit GOP fundraiser WinRed. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 17:40, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

https://45office.com is his "official" site, but this week he started using https://donaldjtrump.com/desk as his replacement Twitter-type page as well. Ajlipp (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

There’s a link to it listed under "External links." The "desk" button was added to the shop/fundraising website on May 4, 2021. It wasn’t there when the Wayback Machine crawled the website at 17:47, it was there when the website was crawled at 20:51 (I don’t know whether they’re using UTC or another time zone). It’s a blog (think WordPress) trying to copy the look of Twitter. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds fair. We don't list the Twitter accounts (or their equivalents) of Obama, GWB, Bill Clinton, or Carter in the "personal details" section of their pages either. Ajlipp (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Why was Trump's official website switched to https://donaldjtrump.com? That site states "Not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee." It's written on literally every page. It is *not* Trump's official website, and could not be more direct about that fact. It is paid for, controlled by, and exists for the sole financial benefit of the Save America joint fundraising committee.

Trump's only official website is https://www.45office.com. That Save America's site also happens to contain Trump's blog doesn't change that. Please switch Trump's official website back to https://trump45office.com Ajlipp (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

24-hr BRD violation

@Srodgers1701: Please note that this article is under active arbitration remedies. Your edit was reverted. IAW the 24-hr BRD cycle, you shouldn't have reinstated it without discussing it on the talk page first. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 17:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 May 2021 to Pres. Donald Trump page

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The official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump is wrong. It is wrong in the sense that all other past U.S. Presidents are marked on wikipedia as having gone to 'X... University' (Yale University, for example (Clinton)).

On the official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump it is OMMITTED, that 'Wharton School' is ACTUALLY only a minor college and part of The University of Pennsylvania.

The official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump should categorically state U. of Pennsylvania. 2601:14B:200:17D0:A116:B71E:EA64:CB34 (talk) 02:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Current consensus is to show it as "Wharton School". Please see Talk:Donald Trump#Current consensus, item 18 for more information. SkyWarrior 04:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This user is right. Trump's page needs to say University of Pennsylvania. Obama is listed as having graduated from Columbia University, not Columbia College. For GWB, Yale University is listed, not Yale College. Same for Bill Clinton, who graduated from Georgetown College at Georgetown University. So why is Trump the only president who has the college within the university listed?

I believe the reason is to deceive the public, because saying one graduated from "Wharton" heavily implies earning an MBA, and Misplaced Pages is continuing to perpetuate that deception by treating Trump's page differently from all other former U.S. presidents. Ajlipp (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

The article should mention operation Warp Speed

I read in this article of USA Today, ("Biden blazed past his vaccine target for the first 100 days. Does the Trump administration deserve credit too?"), which is a reliable source, that Operation Warp Speed played a crucial role in the success of the american vaccination campaign. In order to ensure the neutrality of this wikipedia page, one should mention it, since it's an argument often used to defend Trump's actions and it is supported by reliable sources.

The issue here, I guess, is that Trump did more than probably any other single person on Earth to undermine efforts to stop the spread of coronavirus, so the fact that, by accident, one thing he did was not shitty, is not widely regarded as significant in context. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry but that's an opinion and Misplaced Pages is not made to express one opinion in particular but all the ones that are supported by facts. This article already gives many elements that could be use to criticize Trump's gestion of the crisis, I just ask that we add a contradictory element supported by a reliable source. Since vaccines are probably the things that will end the pandemic, the billions of dollars that were given by the federal governement to fund research on it are relevant in context. Dimitrius99 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

"Given by the federal government". Not by Trump.Pipsally (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Trump was a part of the federal government and the reliable source I proposed explicitely gives credit to his administration.Dimitrius99 (talk) 08:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I think this is a relevant scholarly report given the context: "Donald Trump and vaccination: The effect of political identity, conspiracist ideation and presidential tweets on vaccine hesitancy." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

This article was published in May 2020, it isn't relevant to talk about the current vaccination campaign. Dimitrius99 (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

What does the source say, does he say he deserves more credit, or just ask the question should he get it (and then concludes no, or yes)?Slatersteven (talk) 08:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Here are some excerpts : "His careful wording – which casts the sprint to vaccinate as a collective effort –underscores a months-long debate over who deserves credit, something health experts say belongs to both administrations: Trump for aggressively developing a vaccine and Biden for rolling it out", "While Trump made a high-stakes gamble that led to record-breaking vaccine development before Inauguration Day, the Biden administration formalized a national strategy that helped the nation's patchwork of health systems execute a vaccination rate of more than 3 million shots a day","Julie Morita, executive vice president of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and a former Biden transition adviser, said that while the Trump administration was successful in vaccine development, Biden's focus on providing states funding and resources to actually coordinate and deliver vaccines has been crucial to the rollout", the article is balanced but underscores the importance of Trump's administration decisions.Dimitrius99 (talk) 08:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem I see with this article can be summed up in one question : here are two elements on Trump's gestion of the crisis, one could be found in the article, the other could't : -Trump said in April 2020 that vaccine was months away while some experts said one should wait at least 12 months (and they were wrong). -Trump's administration launched an iniative to manufacture vaccines at fast at possible by giving billions of dollars to research teams. What is the most important of these two elements ? The neutrality of Misplaced Pages will be judged by its ability to write balanced articles on controversial figures : there's a link to Operation Warp Speed's Misplaced Pages page in the "Template : Donald Trump series", as a part of governement response to the pandemic, while it isn't even mentionned once in the body of the article or in the introduction.Dimitrius99 (talk) 08:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Then I think we can add something about his vaccine response. Something like "Trump was given credit for his vaccine development plan, and the speed with which they were developed. However...".Slatersteven (talk) 08:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The wording is great, it is balanced and it is coherent with the reliable source. I would completely support something like this. Dimitrius99 (talk) 09:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Cherry-picked quotes from one article that doesn’t even mention that the vaccine approved first (BioNTech/Pfizer's) was developed with German government funding. Followed by Warp Drive malfunction: crashlanding of 'Operation Warp Speed'. According to Operation Warp Speed, Trump’s involvement was the official announcement on May 15, 2020. BTW, the Trump administration quietly took around $10 billion from a fund meant to help hospitals and health care providers affected by Covid-19 and used the money to bankroll Operation Warp Speed contracts. Summing up: name pilfered from Star Trek, funds pilfered from money provided by Congress for pandemic-related expenses like hospital staffing and staff's personal protective equipment, treatment of uninsured COVID-19 patients, and vaccine distribution. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

You are trying to make a proof of your point, but that's original research and "No original research" is one of the core content policies of Misplaced Pages. USA Today is ranked first by circulation on the list of newspapers in the United States, and it is a reliable source, so if an article consider that Trump's administration policies were crucial in the success in the american vaccination campaign, it should me mentionned in Misplaced Pages. If you want to refute this idea, you can use other secondary sources but a long article of one of the main american newpapers deserves to be mentionned. Your Politico article could perfectly be mentionned after the "However"Dimitrius99 (talk) 14:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Original research? Bloomberg, Politico, and Stat are reliable secondary sources. Another quote from USA Today: Less than a month in office, Biden moved to purchase 200 million additional Pfizer and Moderna doses to cover 300 million adults. The president also purchased an additional 100 million doses from Johnson & Johnson and helped cement a deal between the vaccine maker and its rival Merck to help make the newly approved vaccine. Trump officials have pointed out the alliance was the result of conversations between the two pharmaceutical companies before Biden took office, but Merck CEO Ken Frazier credited the Biden administration with expanding discussions and offering "financial support that allowed us to then think about converting our factories to make this stuff," he told The Washington Post. Among the FDA-authorized vaccines, only Pfizer did not take federal dollars to fund research and development. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

We may have misunderstood each other, what I am saying is that there's a long article of a reliable source that is dealing with Operation Warp Speed, in it some excerpts give credit to Trump's administration, while others criticize it. What I am asking for is that this article is used as a reference in this Misplaced Pages page in a paragraph that deals with Trump's relation to Operation Warp Speed. I'm not attached to a particular phrasing, the one proposed in the beginning of this conversation was just a first idea. What I consider to be original content would be to refuse to even quote this article because other sources contradict it in a subjective subject( I mean the appreciation of one's political decisions can never be purely objective), and thus make a choice among several valid options using its own judgment. I said earlier that Politico was also a reliable source so I argue that one should quote both of them, but at least mentionning Warp Speed somewhere in the article. Dimitrius99 (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

You do not actually seem to understand what "original research" means in the context of the Misplaced Pages, first off. Second, the USA Today source you're leaning on for all of this is not as ironclad in the "Trump deserves credit" camp as you think it is. Did you, perhaps, not read all of it? Much of the pro-Trump bits are cited to Paul Mango, a partisan member of the previous administration. The article also notes Trump's vaccine hesitancy and denials hampered any potential benefits the Warp Speed program may have initially had. ValarianB (talk) 15:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Relevant discussion at Talk:Joe Biden re category

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Joe Biden related to the category Category:Candidates in the 2020 United States presidential election that would also affect this page. The discussion can be found here. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Lead too long

The introduction section is wayy too long. I don't think I have ever seen another wikipedia page that has more than 2 paragraphs before hitting the contents box. Is this a thing that should be fixed? It just doesn't look right to me. 2001:569:BE3B:C700:B88D:C732:531C:123E (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

It is indeed quite long, but that's not exceptional given the amount of information this article covers. Misplaced Pages has a rather loose guideline on lead length. The ideal number of paragraphs for a long, complex article is 3-4, but I don't think the 5 shortish ones here is so out of line that it needs an urgent 'fix' – the current length is just about acceptable. Leads naturally tend to end up longer because of WP:RECENTISM, particularly with controversial topics. This one has been discussed extensively as there are different views on what should and shouldn't be included. I expect it'll be easier to make decisions about what to cut as time passes and the most important parts of Trump's legacy become clearer (and more sources are written). If you have any concrete suggestions for improvement though, fire away. Jr8825 • Talk 18:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

From the Desk of Donald J. Trump

Trump's new official website is called From the Desk of Donald J. Trump 46.212.103.44 (talk) 09:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

See how canceled he is? He only has access to eight TV networks and a website to get his message out. Guy (help! - typo?) 06:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM.  Spy-cicle💥  06:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

And that message is "same old same old," except he now has to wait for office hours to get his messages posted by the content managers. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

It’s not a new official website, it’s a blog (think WordPress) on the shop/fundraising website. They added the "desk" button to the shop’s website on May 4, 2021. It wasn’t there when the Wayback Machine crawled the website at 17:47, May 4, 2021. It was there when the Wayback Machine next crawled it at 20:51 (I don’t know whether the archive uses UTC or another time zone). Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I think we need an RS for what his official website is.Slatersteven (talk) 15:57, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Is your Google malfunctioning? Here ya go. Jackson, David (May 4, 2021). "Trump launches 'From the desk of Donald J. Trump' as potential Facebook ban looms". USA TODAY. and Murphy, Tim (May 4, 2021). "Donald Trump Has a New Website But It's Bad: Here is the latest media personality to turn to blogging". Mother Jones., etc. etc. -- Kendrick7 02:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

No, I just wanted somethign that says it is "his official website", not that it is one he operates (he has a few).Slatersteven (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've gone ahead and updated the article. -- Kendrick7 02:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

No, his official website is https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ In the infobox we should link to his home page, not a subpage like https://www.donaldjtrump.com/desk or https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news - I've moved his blog to External links'. starship.paint (exalt) 03:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

You didn't restore his official taxpayer-funded website as the former president which is "www.45office.com." "www.donaldjtrump.com" is a shop/fundraising site, now with a blog for promulgating Trump's—uh—thoughts. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 06:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

https://donaldjtrump.com is *not* Trump's official website. That site states "Not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee." Those words are written on literally *every* page. The site could not be more direct about the fact that it is not Trump's site. It is paid for, controlled by, and exists for the sole financial benefit of the Save America joint fundraising committee. That it also happens to contain Trump's blog doesn't change that.

Trump's only official website is https://www.45office.com. Please switch it back. Ajlipp (talk) 07:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Ajlipp and Space4Time3Continuum2x: - acknowledged, changed, thank you, and sorry for my error. starship.paint (exalt) 10:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Deaths "as a consequence" of the Capitol storming

Pipsally, you reinstated the sentence: Five people, including a Capitol Police officer, died as a consequence of the riot. describing it as sourced content. You appear to be unaware that the three sources you restored are outdated, all of them being written in January, with the latest update being in February. You removed an April source (WTOP / AP) I provided from which states that out of the five deaths, the D.C. medical examiner found that three (Brian Sicknick, Kevin Greeson, Benjamin Philips) were natural deaths (stroke, hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease) and one (Roseanne Boyland) was an accidental death (amphetamine overdose). Other sources have also reported this (NBC on Sicknick / USA Today on Sicknick / CNBC on the others / Forbes on the others) Additionally note that according to the police incident report, Greeson died before rioters entered the Capitol , and according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, there is no evidence that Philips participated in the storming . In light of this new information, we cannot continue to maintain that Five people, including a Capitol Police officer, died as a consequence of the riot. starship.paint (exalt) 03:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this, but I'll note that people are still insisting on the "5" number on the talk page of 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. As that can be considered a "sub article" of this, I think per summary guidelines the issue should be rectified there before it is changed here. I agree that the death count should not be 5, but there are many editors who are attempting to keep it as high as possible to prove their beliefs regarding the political views at play. Unfortunately, this group consists of editors who are well respected and are not getting called out for relying on old sources for their beliefs - thus the number hasn't yet been changed there. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Berchanhimez - clearly there were 5 deaths that sources have associated with the riot plus protests (which is true, the people did attend the protests/riot). That does not mean that all the deaths were a consequence. I feel that the storming article should discuss these 5 deaths, to make clear the manner, but this isn’t exactly a sub-article of the storming. They may be some nuance here, who knows if the stress of the riot contributed to Sicknick’s stroke? But this article on Trump isn’t the place for such nuance. starship.paint (exalt) 05:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The main article has more nuanced wording, which I've followed in changing "as a consequence" to "There were many casualties, and five people, including a Capitol Police officer, died before, during, or after the riot." Note that No less than 138 officers (73 Capitol Police and 65 Metropolitan Police) were injured, of whom at least 15 were hospitalized, some with severe injuries. Even if Sicknick's stroke was entirely "natural", that would make him a Casualty (person)#Non-battle casualty . . . dave souza, talk 06:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that the wording "as a consequence" implies that deaths were directly caused by the riot. I agree with starship.paint that they've been associated - but that does not mean that they were "as a consequence of". I think the current text saying There were many casualties, and five people, including a Capitol Police officer, died before, during, or after the riot is good. The only improvement would be to replace casualties with injuries - seems that it's being used to say injuries primarily and that injuries is more straightforward. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

As that article also notes, Two police officers who responded to the attack died by suicide in the following days. Some members of Congress and press reports have included these deaths in the casualty count, for a total of seven deaths. . . dave souza, talk 06:18, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Should the casualties caused by heart disease and drug intoxication even be included in the article? Sure, you could argue that it exacerbated symptoms, but so could any stressful, high-energy event. Though at the same time, maybe it should stay for being so widely talked about in relation to the riots, regardless of how much it actually matters. Met84ak (talk) 23:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure this has a place here. It is (I would argue) that a major part of his life.Slatersteven (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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 Not done. Unclear what request is being made exactly. There is already a section detailing his sexual misconduct. — Czello 12:28, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Post-presidency section should be updated to include Trump targetting Liz Cheney

Post-presidency should be updated to chronicle Trump's targeting of Liz Cheney and how he used his influence to kick her out of her leadership role for her criticism of him. Here are some sources:

• BarneyHank (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • I agree..considering the length of this article..all the details regarding his life personal life..business dealings..political career etc as well..this tiny little blurb about where he is and what he is doing is just plain weird, especially that he seems to be moving back into some type of public life although it`s obvious it will be eventually as he is an ex president..it`s just a matter of time..whatever he`s doing at Mar-Largo needs to be in as well as any relation he seems to be cultivating with the Republican party 2600:1702:2340:9470:B087:E7A3:77E3:CDCA (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

References

1. Reston, Maeve (May 9, 2021). "With Cheney's impending ouster, the GOP chooses Trump over principle". CNN. Retrieved May 9, 2021.
2. Allassan, Fadel (May 5, 2021). "Trump, House GOP leaders endorse Elise Stefanik to replace Liz Cheney". Axios. Retrieved May 9, 2021.

Abraham accords

The peace deals between Israël and several arabic countries aren't mentionned anywhere in the article while the Abraham Accords were signed in the White House and they are mentionned in the introduction of the article dedicated to Trump's foreign policy. Dimitrius99 (talk) 19:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

The so-called Abraham Accords were pomp & circumstance and little substance...agreements signed between nations that were not even hostile at the time. The event happened, and is worth a mention in the former guy's foreign policy article, but there is no historical impact of them that is relevant enough to the man's biographical article here. ValarianB (talk) 19:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

"there is no historical impact of them that is relevant enough to the man's biographical article here". Let me quote some reliable sources

CNN : "President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday joined the foreign ministers of the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain at the White House to mark historic normalization agreements between Israel and the two Arab countries.", "Netanyahu described the day as a "pivot of history, a new dawn of peace."

NBC : "WASHINGTON — Israel signed deals to normalize ties with the Gulf states of the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on Tuesday that were brokered by President Donald Trump in what is described as a diplomatic breakthrough."

USA Today : "WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump heralded a pair of historic agreements formalizing diplomatic relations between Israel and two Gulf Arab nations in a ceremony Tuesday on the White House South Lawn."

MSNBC "Netanyahu says agreement 'can end the Arab-Israeli conflict once and for all'"

Times of Israël : "These phrases may sound pompous, but there is some truth to them. The agreements signed Tuesday in Washington are a genuine breakthrough in Israel’s 72-year struggle to become an accepted member of the region in which it is located. Until today, many Israelis felt their country belonged more to Europe than to the Middle East. Now they may have cause to rethink. "

I completely disagree with you when you say that there isn't any historical impact. First of all, one could argue that these agreements is the beginning of the end for the two states solution since arabic states accepted to collaborate with Israël without asking for specific actions regarding the Israelo-Palestinian conflict. Secondly since multiples reliable sources (if not all) use words like breakthrough, historical agreement, your personnal geopolitical opinion isn't enough for refusing to mention this event. Finally this event is mentionned in the introduction of other language versions of this article, like in the French or the Italian ones.--Dimitrius99 (talk) 20:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

We are not a newspaper, and we do not write like a newspaper. Despite their flowery language, the signing of documents does not in and of itself demonstrate "historical impact". What actual impact has it had? What one could argue like WP:OR. This isn't personal geopolitical opinion. There is much debate out there about how significant these really are. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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