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*'''Agree'''. I’d change “second female artist with the most entries” to “female artist with the second-most entries” but other than that it looks fine. Definitely a lot more trim and I like the inclusion of her breaking the record in Argentina as that shows a notable achievement outside the US as well as the inclusion of her acting career as that gives a look into what she’s done outside of music. ] (]) 02:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Agree'''. I’d change “second female artist with the most entries” to “female artist with the second-most entries” but other than that it looks fine. Definitely a lot more trim and I like the inclusion of her breaking the record in Argentina as that shows a notable achievement outside the US as well as the inclusion of her acting career as that gives a look into what she’s done outside of music. ] (]) 02:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Agree''' I am far from an expert on Nicki Minaj, and watch this page mostly to nip disruption in the bud. But this proposed new lead seems to do a very good job of summarizing her career to date. ] ] 03:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Agree''' I am far from an expert on Nicki Minaj, and watch this page mostly to nip disruption in the bud. But this proposed new lead seems to do a very good job of summarizing her career to date. ] ] 03:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose / change some things''' Again, lead does not seem to mention that multiple news sources have called her the current Queen of Rap. I would suggest adding it in the first sentence of the fourth paragraph: If multiple news sources have called her the Queen of Rap, omitting this from the lead is simply a bad idea. And again, interestingly, you didn't ping the people that actually consistently edit this article. Pinging experienced editors {{reply to|AshMusique|Maxwell King123321|Cybertrip|Yikes2004}} for their thoughts. ]<sup>]</sup> 06:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to add into Nicki Minaj's occupation section - Model -
Nicki Minaj has signed with Wilhelmina Models' celebrity division along with other starts like Demi Lovato and Nick Jonas
and she signed other major modeling contacts one of them is with Fendi, she has her own brand "Fendi Prints on" and on
October 14th 2019, Nicki Minaj and Fendi released their first clothing collaboration. The full collection has sold out
online in under a week, the collection is worth a total of over $10M. Firstbarb (talk) 01:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
As I brought Rihanna to good article status, one you pointed out, I think we can tell the problem on Nicki's lead is that it cherry picks accomplishments to suit her audience instead of summarizing the article as it's supposed to. And useless trivia about how she reportedly charges $500,000 for a feature should be as far away from the lead as possible. Trillfendi (talk) 02:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Missy Elliot, Lil' Kim and Mary J. Blige have been called Queen of Rap, so let's not have that in the lead section about Minaj. The sources are horrible, anyway, with "Queen of Rap" only appearing in the Rolling Stone headline, not explained anywhere in the article body. Obviously an editorial intrusion.
I am in favor of a straightforward lead section that quickly and succinctly tells the reader why the person is important. Leaner is meaner. Binksternet (talk) 03:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree completely with Binksternet, Cornerstonepicker, and Trillfendi in this matter. Popular music comes up with an endless stream of "big stars" ever since my parents were teenagers 75 years ago, every one of which deserves serious coverage in an encyclopedia with 6.3 million articles. But all this "king" or "queen" or "prince" or "duke" or "princess" of pop, rock, rap, soul, gospel, folk, country, bluegrass or whatever is a diversion from these artist's genuine accomplishments, which should be described neutrally so that readers not editors can draw their own conclusions. CullenLet's discuss it03:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
The proposed revision is definitely cleaner and much more succinct than the current wording which includes a lot of positive wording that feels weighted heavier than it should. The Queen of Rap thing is definitely not sourced enough to be in the lead and I feel like four sources (one of which is Genius and one is NPR) is not exactly “several Western media outlets”. I mean, she’s good but she’s not exactly King of Pop good in terms of sourcing that nickname. The proposed revision gives a better summary of her career and stays neutral. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 04:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'm all up for reworking or changing the lead to better fit policy, but the "Queen of Rap" honorific title has been sourced multiple times by so many articles, and you can't just spam the policy of WP:GLOBAL to get rid of it. Minaj is referred to as the Queen of Rap by both American and European journalists, so to remove it otherwise, like User:Cybertrip said, can distinguish the relevance and impact of Minaj within their world specifically. Also, you didn't really ping the people that actually consistently edit this article, interestingly enough. paging @AshMusique, Maxwell King123321, Cybertrip, and Yikes2004: for their thoughts. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"05:10, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
From my point of view, those titles such as Queen or king of this or that can be used while covered by reliable sources such as NPR, USA Today, and RS (already in the article), if more are available even better, I don't consider Genius the best source around. However, I would implement that tile somewhere in the article along with the reasoning for that, why is RS, USA Today, and NPR called her that? Most followed rappers on Instagram could only be included in the article, if so. I do believe the second paragraph needs to be summarised a bit. I would also remove the documentary bit on HBO, unless of course, it receives high praise from media outlets and awards, otherwise only in the main article. I do believe the biggest problem here is a lack of summarisation in the lead and some "unnecessary" info as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I think all points here are valid. However, "honorific names" are not "peacocky terms" as they are used on most celebrity pages but in their "legacy" sections. Including them in Minaj's lead seems premature as other prominent artists such as Beyoncé, Taylor Swift or Rihanna do not include them. However it would be worth keeping it in the legacy section. On that same note, there seems to be way too many Billboard achievements in the lead which is not needed here and is basically taken from the "Achievements" section. I agree that the biggest problem here is "a lack of summarisation in the lead". Maxwell King12:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I don’t think anyone is advocating for the nickname to be removed entirely. Just that it does not belong in the lead and should be in legacy instead. Genius isn’t exactly the best source for this kind of thing especially since the headline is written in what feels like peacocky way, and the Rolling Stone article only uses the phrase (and technically they say Queen of Hip-Hop not Queen of Rap) in the headline, not the body. Either way, calling four sources, not all of which are 100% reliable for this, “several Western media outlets” feels like a slight exaggeration at least for the lead. Considering much larger artists with much better covered nicknames don’t even have this in the lead, there shouldn’t be any issue moving it to legacy. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 14:14, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree with MarioSoulTruthFan, there's been no news on the documentary since 2020 and I doubt it's lead-worthy material. However, I definitely do think that the "Queen of Rap" title should be in the lead. Interestingly enough, cornerstonepicker seems to have no problem with calling other female rappers "The Queen of Rap" , So why is it only bad when it comes to Nicki? I just find it interesting. The "Queen of Rap" title should be in the lead in my opinion, since there's plenty of sources that again call her the Queen of Rap, especially in the mentioned Legacy section. So there's no problem sourcing it, or whatever, I just think that it deserves to be in the lead since it is a notable title for Minaj. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"19:53, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I have no issue with artists such as Elliott and Kim having the "Queen of Rap" title in their leads, since they are seasoned rap veterans who have gotten a lot of praise. However, I don't see why people are so against it with Minaj specifically if several western media outlets have called her the "Queen of Rap" multiple times. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"09:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the previous comment. While flowerily language and puffery should be avoided in the lead. However, if one is recognized by multiple reputable sources regularly by such terms such as "Queen of Rap", then such a term belongs in the lead. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
I also believe that saying something like "she has occasionally been referred to as the "Queen of Rap" in the lede and then hyperlink that to Honorific nicknames in popular music isn't that detrimental to the prose, nor is it in any way incorrect. Yes, those kind of honorifics often overlap and are applied to several people in the same genre, but that's just how they work and there's no reason to exclude them from this article and not others. Besides, there are plenty of other things that could be improved in this lede. PraiseVivec (talk) 19:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Strong support and make even more concise Even the proposed alternative is far too long in my opinion. We should also cut down on references in the lead per WP:LEDECITE. If it's sourced in the body and not controversial, no reason to clutter the lead with references. ~ HAL33320:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment I would say it is an improvement but could probably do with more trimming, but both versions have MOS:CITELEAD issues. Neutral on the "Queen of Rap" question, can understand it is a bit more dubious than say MJ's "King of Pop" but I am not so informed on this issue. Not watching please ping. Regards Spy-cicle💥 21:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Apart from some minor things that could be fixed, the lede is perfectly fine to me, although the Instagram thing should definitely not be in the lede. The "Queen of rap" title/reference is a good introduction to the article, and is sourced appropriately, and is for sure not "peacocky" or even used in that sense. AshMusique (talk) 10:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Onika Tanya Maraj-Petty (born December 8, 1982), known professionally as Nicki Minaj (/mɪˈnɑːʒ/), is a Trinidadian-born rapper, singer, and songwriter. She is known for her animated flow in her rapping and versatility as a recording artist.
Born in the Saint James district of Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago and raised in Queens of New York City, she gained public recognition after releasing the mixtapes Playtime Is Over (2007), Sucka Free (2008), and Beam Me Up Scotty (2009). Early in her career, Minaj became known for her colorful costumes and wigs, her distinct flow, and the use of alter egos and accents, primarily British cockney. In 2010, Minaj released her debut studio album, Pink Friday (2010), which was certified triple-platinum by RIAA, and peaked at number-one on the Billboard 200 chart. It yielded Minaj's first top-five single, "Super Bass", which peaked at number three, at the time becoming the highest-charting solo song by a female rapper since 2002. Her second album, Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded (2012), saw Minaj move towards a dance-pop and pop rap sound. The album debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, with its lead single, "Starships", peaking at number five on the Hot 100. Minaj's third and fourth studio albums, The Pinkprint (2014) and Queen (2018), marked a departure from her previous style and a return to her hip hop roots. The former's second single, "Anaconda", peaked at number two on the Hot 100. Her 2021 re-release of her 2009 mixtape, Beam Me Up Scotty, debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, the highest-debut for a female rap mixtape.
Her feature on the remix of Doja Cat's "Say So" and her collaboration with 6ix9ine, "Trollz", both released in 2020, marked her first and second number-one singles on the Hot 100, respectively, with the latter making her the second female rapper to debut at number one, following Lauryn Hill in 1998. Including features, Minaj is the second female artist with the most entries on the Hot 100, behind singer-songwriter Taylor Swift, with each accumulating over 100. She has nineteen top 10 singles on the chart, the most for any female rapper so far, with four of those being solo songs. Her collaboration with Karol G, "Tusa", became the longest-running number-one single on the Argentina Hot 100, having spent six months at number one on the chart.
Cirisano, Tatiana (November 21, 2019). "Songs That Defined the Decade: Nicki Minaj's 'Super Bass'". Billboard. Retrieved May 11, 2021. ...It reached No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100, where it became not only Minaj's then-biggest hit, but the highest-charting rap hit by a solo female since Missy Elliott's "Work It" nearly a decade earlier.
Agree. I’d change “second female artist with the most entries” to “female artist with the second-most entries” but other than that it looks fine. Definitely a lot more trim and I like the inclusion of her breaking the record in Argentina as that shows a notable achievement outside the US as well as the inclusion of her acting career as that gives a look into what she’s done outside of music. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 02:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Agree I am far from an expert on Nicki Minaj, and watch this page mostly to nip disruption in the bud. But this proposed new lead seems to do a very good job of summarizing her career to date. CullenLet's discuss it03:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Strong oppose / change some things Again, lead does not seem to mention that multiple news sources have called her the current Queen of Rap. I would suggest adding it in the first sentence of the fourth paragraph: If multiple news sources have called her the Queen of Rap, omitting this from the lead is simply a bad idea. And again, interestingly, you didn't ping the people that actually consistently edit this article. Pinging experienced editors @AshMusique, Maxwell King123321, Cybertrip, and Yikes2004: for their thoughts. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"06:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. melecie t 01:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
