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== Consideration for others == |
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"Words and images that might be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by other Misplaced Pages readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available. Including information about offensive material is part of Misplaced Pages's encyclopedic mission; being offensive is not." |
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This is the user page for BostonMA. Please do not edit this page, except where invited. You are always welcome to have a discussion with me on my user ] page. |
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"Words and images that might be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by other Misplaced Pages readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available. Including information about offensive material is part of Misplaced Pages's encyclopedic mission; being offensive is not." |
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== Useful Links == |
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==DISCUSSIONS== |
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This section contains discussions that I felt needed a home other than the archives. Please do not edit this section. If you have any comments you would like to make regarding these discussion, please make these comments in my user ] page. The discussions may have been reformatted for clarity. |
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==Items to Negotiate, Issues to Resolve== |
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This section contains items that I wish to negotiate with other editors or issues I wish to resolve. The appearance of an item here does not mean that Misplaced Pages guidelines, policies or etiquette has been violated, nor does it mean that I am angry with the party or parties involved. It only means that I personally have an issue and wish to resolve it. Please do not edit this section. If you wish to resolve or negotiate an issue with me, please do so on my ] page. Resolved/negotiated issues will be removed from this section. |
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=== ]'s use of ethnic, national and religious attributes of editors when making negative criticisms === |
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I have an unresolved issue with the ]. ] is a very knowledgable and prolific contributor to Misplaced Pages. |
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I believe that: |
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:It is unnecessary to mention the nationality, culture or religion of editors when discussing edits. To gratuitously mention such attributes of editors in the course of criticizing edits has all the appearances of being an insult to those of the mentioned nationality, culture or religion -- it has the appearance of an insinuation that faults an editor may have are somehow related to that editor's nationality, culture or religion. Whether an insult was intended or not, civility dictates avoiding mentioning such attributes. |
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''examples of such comments by DBachmann to be placed here if the issue remains unresolved for a period of time -- dab and I are in active communication at the moment so that may not be necessary.'' |
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:"o ffs, what is it with this Hindu gerontophilia?". |
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"O ffs", according to ] means "Oh, for fuck's sake". Gerontophilia in this case means, as far as I can tell, "love of old things". An editor had inserted an edit claiming that "] is the oldest living city in the world", which is factually incorrect. DBachmann was correct to remove the claim, but it is not only Hindus that love old things. |
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This comment reads in part: |
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:"It figures that you should feel so strongly about my comment about "clueless Indians" since you are obviously one of them. This has nothing to do with anti-Indian sentiment, since I obviously recognize that there is plenty of cluelessness in any nation on earth. But I happen to find, empirically, here on Wikipeida, that in few other fields is cluelessness force-fed to people quite as obstinately as in India-related articles." |
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It is hard not to read this other than as a personal attack on another editor, essentially calling that editor a 'clueless indian'. This comment is rude and insulting to the editor involved. DBachmann acknowledges that there are clueless people of other nationalities. However, even under the assumption that the editor involved is clueless as alleged, it is unnecessary in Misplaced Pages to make such direct insults, and so it is equally unnecessary to mention the nationality of the editor involved. |
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Regardless of ''intent'', a reasonable person might surmise that such comments could be interpretted (or 'mis'-interpretted) as an offense. People who insist on their "right" to use language that is likely to be offensive to some, when that language is quite unnecessary for the purposes of communication, show a lack of respect for the feeling of others at best, and contempt for those who may be offended is hardly ruled out. |
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:"too often I am accused of being a clueless meddling whiteboy by Hindus for being involved in areas where I do have expertise." |
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I believe that a reasonable person might infer when someone accuses another of being a "clueless whiteboy", that the accuser is consciously or unconsciously racist. I believe that it is therefore not unreasonable for someone to read dbachmann's comment as an accusation that Hindu editors on wikipedia are racist. |
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Dbachmann has in fact been the target of defacement of his userpage. I don't recall whether the term "whiteboy" was used, but such a term would have been consistent with they type of defacement to which the userpage was subject. There, is thus, at least one person who has thown racial insults at Dbachmann. Based on the content of these defacements, it is also not unreasonable for Dbachmann to assume that the perpetrator was Hindu. (Although one might keep an open mind to the possibility that the perpetrator had some other agenda, and merely seized upon a convenient pretext for his or her actions.) |
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Dbachmann has been the subject of attack. However, he references this attack as coming from '''Hindus''' (plural), and presumably, from the context, he means Hindu editors of Misplaced Pages. I personally believe that the vast majorities of both Hindu and non-Hindu editors would agree with me that a) Dbachmann is not "clueless", but is highly educated, and b) that the color of his skin has no bearing upon the quality of his contributions. I thus take objection to his comment which could not unreasonably be construed as suggesting that Hindu editors of wikipedia are racist. |
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I would also like to point out that if Dbachmann suffers from a negative image among some editors, that he might be able to attenuate that negative image by accepting that it is inappropriate behavior for him to make comments such as his "It figures that you should feel so strongly about my comment about 'clueless Indians' since you are obviously one of them." |
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When administrators and major editors give the impression that it is OK to refer to the ethnicity of of editors when making negative comments, the result is that ordinary editors feel entitled to do the same. For example, in the ethnicity of the previous editor is used in the negative edit summary. |
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== '''This is a User Page''' == |
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'''This is the user page for BostonMA. Please do not edit this page, except where invited. You are always welcome to have a discussion with me on my ].''' |
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"Words and images that might be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by other Misplaced Pages readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available. Including information about offensive material is part of Misplaced Pages's encyclopedic mission; being offensive is not."
