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Safavid dynasty

You are correct; the source does not mention Safi Al-Din. It is better to provide an explanation in an edit summary for these things. You are also correct that unsourced claims should be removed (see this email by Jimbo). However, let's see if sources can be provided first. You might consider making a comment at Talk:Safavid dynasty and Talk:Safi Al-Din. Regards, Khoikhoi 07:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Khoikhoi, I will keep an eye on this issue. Atabek 22:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Take it easy, that is only the TfD for that template - it is not the discussion page for another article or concept. The only problem is such argumentatio can cause the dispute to stray off topic and start unneccessary disputes. Cheers! Baristarim 16:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Please do not be confused. The article is about the history of the name, not about the history of the region. There is another article where you quote can be put in. Please search for the proper articles, thanks. Also, you deleted several other things, such as Iranian and Ahmad Kasravi, etc... ALso, your quote is not historical, its from 1974, a historical source mentioning Azerbaijan would be something before the 20th century, and preferably even further back, that is the meaning of "historical"... Also, that page, as you can see on the talk page, has been made so that it has come to a general consensus so please do not make such major changes to the article, such as deleting words of phrases.Azerbaijani 20:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You do not seem to understand what that article is about. You have broken 3rr and will be reported for a block unless you revert back immediatly. The whole article is referenced, the references are usually at the end, we do not put the same reference after every sentence, do you know how to make proper citations? Also, see Misplaced Pages NPOV!Azerbaijani 20:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani, you're the only party here putting unreferenced material and misunderstanding what the core principle of Misplaced Pages is about: that is providing unbiased well referenced material. I perfectly know the rules of Misplaced Pages NPOV, I added several in your material. If you are so brave, put those references in. Otherwise, stop this propaganda. I will demand further arbitration of History of the name Azerbaijan page, as well as your activity. Atabek 22:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

3rr

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.Azerbaijani 20:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I made only 2 rr's. If you would like to merge your referenced text with mine, I am more than welcome to that. But you will not be removing legitimate references. The references to Kazemzadeh and Tapper are as relevant, as your unreferenced text to the facts of name taken by the Republic of Azerbaijan or other claims of pan-Turkism. Readers should be well familiar with all facts, presented in an unbiased manner. Thanks. Atabek 21:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

History of the name Azerbaijan

I guess you should try to get a consensus on the talk page first, rather than edit warring with Azerbaijani. He claims the quotes are not relevant. What exactly do they say anyways? Khoikhoi 03:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments on Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Armenia:_The_Secrets_of_a_Christian_Terrorist_State

You must remember that those of us who voted to delete don't care about the book's contents, we care about its notability and its inclusion in an encyclopedia. this conversation itself is infact the complete opposite of what you claim as being "an attempt to restrict the freedom of speech and thought". mein kampf is quite notable seeing as that an extremly notable person wrote it and had a great impact on the world. please read WP:DEL and check out WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_democracy as well. hope this clears things up for you thanks.--Tainter 16:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

(If you have time) Please vote in the survey on this proposed move

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Valiyat-e_faqih_%28book_by_Khomeini%29#Survey

Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) → Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini)

Thanks

--Leroy65X 15:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

You do not seem to understand. The founding of the Musavat party has nothing to do with that summary. That is what hte main article for the Musavat party is for. Also, I do not understand why you took out the "According to Tadeusz Swietochowski" part, that is a direct quote from Swietochowski, its his own words, not anyone else's. Azerbaijani 01:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Tengri

Atabek, I have blocked your sockpuppet Tengri (talk · contribs) indefinitely. I'm not sure if you know the rules on this, but Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry#Voting and other shows of support clearly says, "In addition to double-voting, sock puppets should not be used for the purpose of deception, or to create the illusion of broader support for a position than actually exists." I am referring to your and Tengri's comments at Talk:Azerbaijan. Therefore, please review WP:SOCK, so that this doesn't happen again. I'm not going to block you as you're a newbie, but please keep in mind that if you want to have an alternate account, it has to be following the rules. Khoikhoi 20:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, who gave you an assumption that Tengri and myself is the same person. He is my friend, and I did use his computer last week. But it does not mean we are the same person. I realize you have to abide by WP:SOCK rules, but before taking arbitrary actions you should also have legible proofs that we are the same person. Thanks. Atabek 00:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I assumed so because your IPs matched. Even if he is your friend, you should also read our policy on "meatpuppets", which states:

It is considered highly inappropriate or unacceptable to advertise Misplaced Pages articles that are being debated in order to attract users with known views and bias, in order to strengthen one side of a debate. It is also considered highly inappropriate to ask friends or family members to create accounts for the purpose of giving additional support. Advertising or soliciting meatpuppet activity is not an acceptable practice on Misplaced Pages. On-Misplaced Pages canvassing should be reverted if possible. (See: Misplaced Pages:Canvassing)

Khoikhoi 00:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, you assumed. Tengri and I use different IPs and the fact that I may have used his computer a week ago to login or make edits does not prove that he is my sockpuppet. He independently edited Musavat or other articles about which he complained on the page. I do watch and edit some of those articles as well, as we are both from the same region, have common interests. This does not, however, establish any ground or proof for you to claim that we are the same person. This is a complete POV, especially given the fact, that you have done nothing about the major concern raised on Azerbaijan Discussion page. Moreover, Tengri did not edit or remove or add quotes from main Azerbaijan article, he only contributed his view to the discussion. So what's your proof about meetpuppeting? Do you want to say that Tengri as independent user has no right to contribute to the same discussion as I do? Atabek 00:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Your AIV request

Your dispute with Azerbaijani is too complex to handle at AIV. You should go to WP:AN. Academic Challenger 00:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Regarding Safavid dynasty,

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.. --Mardavich 18:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)