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I feel that the sexual assault allegations in regards to Nick Carter should be added as it's a matter of public record. Initially I added all 3 incidences that had been reported to police, as well as statements from Nick Carter where they were reported. The edit was reverted on the basis no charges were laid. This doesn't seem like a neutral decision, especially within the scope of sexual assault allegations. I would point to examples of allegations against people like Bill Cosby, Michael Jackson or that are well publicised and shown on their own pages. If we edit information as relevant based on the results of the information and not the information itself then are we not allowing our own biases to determine what is published? ] (]) 08:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> I feel that the sexual assault allegations in regards to Nick Carter should be added as it's a matter of public record. Initially I added all 3 incidences that had been reported to police, as well as statements from Nick Carter where they were reported. The edit was reverted on the basis no charges were laid. This doesn't seem like a neutral decision, especially within the scope of sexual assault allegations. I would point to examples of allegations against people like Bill Cosby, Michael Jackson or that are well publicised and shown on their own pages. If we edit information as relevant based on the results of the information and not the information itself then are we not allowing our own biases to determine what is published? Also it seems this has been discussed above in "Controversy" where 3 different users agreed the allegations should be added and then again in "Contentious unproven allegations" where the main point of contention was neutrality. In my edit I added sources and comments from alleged victim's, police and Nick Carter / his representatives. Furthermore the user who removed the edit and was banned for making legal threats (LoriKnightKLE) is an entertainment manager and close friends with the Carter family. Pinging {{reply to|Meters}} and {{reply to|Beauty School Dropout}} who reverted my edits so we can hopefully come to a consensus ] (]) 08:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Accuracy of the Carter family's older half sibiling's name

Many different sources throughout the years have stated the Carter sibilings including Nickolas to have a half sister named Ginger not Virgina.


He isn't jewish. The mother would have to be jewish for a child to become jewish. kingjeff

Um, no. Conversion happens. - Che Nuevara: 16:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

His father is Jewish. So please add that he also has a jewish heritage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.245.21.177 (talk) 19:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Source? Meany (talk) 01:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

nick does have a daughter!!

It doesn't say Nick has a daughter.It says Nick's first step-mom and dad have a daughter named Virginia.!!

nick is mormon

I think you're confusing him with Paul Walker. He isn't a Mormon unless he converted recently or something... Ah, I see About.com trivia says he's a Mormon for some reason,, but this almost certainly not true, or it'd be at least somewhere else on the net or in Jane Carter's books. Mad Jack O'Lantern 04:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


Change The Picture

He looks terrible in that photo. Please change!

Baby16 21:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC) I TOTALLY SECOND THAT MOTION —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.40.91 (talk) 21:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

His tattoo phrase is incorrect.

The tattoo that he used to cover up Paris Hilton's name has a skull and cross bones, and the phrase 'Old habits die hard'.

Nick Carter has never confirmed to dating Julie. Because there is no evidence to back that up, I don't think it's an accurate enough fact to be credited on Wiki.


Nick Carter has never confirmed to dating Julie. Because there is no evidence to back that up, I don't think it's an accurate enough fact to be credited on Wiki.


On September 29, 2006, Nick Carter claimed on The Howard Stern Show that he lost his virginity to Debra Lafave when they were classmates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.13.70.100 (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC) By publishing changes, you agree to the Trems of Use, and irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the and the You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative (Briefly describe your changes) This page is a member of 1 hidden category (help) :

References

  1. The Associated Press. "Nick Carter Says he lost his virginty to Debra LaFave." WTSB-Tampa Bay News Report, 9/29/2006

Nick's other movie...

Hi! Was just wondering, how come his earlier movie, the one which was kind of a remake of the Sleepy Hollow, not mentioned here?

Also, yah, I agree with the earlier comment, please change the featured pic... Thanks!

Kaos2dafrack 05:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protect?

Why is this article semi-protected? It barely sees any activity. --MgCupcake 03:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Nick's Myspace page

He now has a Myspace page, which he updates fairly regularly with video blogs. . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.20.131 (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC) Whitney loves Nick SOOOO much, she just loves him.

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== cardiomyopathy ==<


He recently announced to People magazine that he has been diagnosed with cardiomyopathy.<------slytheringal>

I've changed the picture

I think the other picture was a bit old, so I've changed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hojalata (talkcontribs) 19:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a very bad article

That's all I have to say. Jermor (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC) I'd agree. They say nothing about his work as a director of movies, nothing about his girlfriend who he has been dating for over 2 years now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.236.136 (talk) 09:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Ancestry, religion and political beliefs??

This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sing your posts by typing four tildes Your IP address will be deleted. Encylopedic content must be Work sumbmitted to Misplaced Pages can be edited, used, and redistributed-by anyone- subject to ∈ As there is nothing in the current article to any of the above. I don't believe though that he has been vocal about politics. Gaelic Rules (talk) 01:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

He has Jewish and Blackfeet ancestry, and he's a Christian. I don't have any source at hand though. Need to find them first. Krystaleen (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Carter and Spaulding are both Anglo-Saxon in origin. I don't have a source, but I'd suggest he was of English descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.68.21 (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

In that book his mother wrote there's a section about his ethnicity/heritage and religious belief but I don't have the book.--Krystaleen 04:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting Nick Carter doesn't have any Jewish/Blackfoot ancestors, but it's fairly obvious he has considerable British (primarily English, Scottish, Welsh) ancestry.

"Spaulding" is an English name that came into America via the Puritans (English protestant) during the 1600s. http://www.genyourway.com/sp-hist.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.68.21 (talk) 19:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course he has English or European ancestry, it's a given. But his father is Jewish and Nick had a blackfoot tattoo on his chest, when asked about the tattoo he explained that he has a Blackfoot root.--Krystaleen 05:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Controversy

why doesn't this article mention the rape and assault allegations? 2606:6000:61C8:2600:F006:3955:CF16:D726 (talk) 01:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)anonymous

Seconded. Whether he was convicted or not, the allegations are a serious and significant thing to have happened and shouldn't be left off his page.119.224.85.209 (talk) 03:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
This article definitely ought to have the sexual assualt allegations. I heard it in the news before, and i couldn't find it here. Thus, this article is suspect is practicing historical negationism. Not only did the victim of the assault, Melissa Schuman , speak to the credibility of the assault. His own brother, Aaron, did albeit they are feuding right now. Schuman case: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/12/entertainment/nick-carter-sexual-assault-case/index.html Aaron feud talk: https://radaronline.com/photos/nick-carter-sexual-assault-accusations-exposed-aaron-carter-feud/ Ap4lmtree2 (talk) 11:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Substance abuse

Question: When did Nick started drinking at 9 years old? 108.46.251.85 (talk) 23:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Personal Life

Why are the children's names on Personal Life? Plus, I put relationships subheading to separate the topics. 108.46.251.85 (talk) 16:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

LGBT categories

Over the past few weeks, there's been a long-running editwar between anonymous IPs over whether Nick Carter belongs in "LGBT" categories or not. First an anonymous IP adds him to Category:LGBT musicians and Category:LGBT people from the United States (which would not be the correct categories even if he is LGBT, because the LGBT musicians category is quadrantized into individual "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual" and "transgender" subcategories, and Category:LGBT musicians from the United States also exists as an occupational subcategory), and then another anonymous IP removes the categories, and then another anonymous IP readds them. But none of the anon IPs ever use an edit summary, or a post on the talk page, to explain why they're adding or removing the categories. I've personally witnessed this process repeating at least three times now even though I don't normally pay any attention to this page at all, and from perusing the edit history I see that there have been additional incidents of this that I wasn't privy to as well.

Because categorizing people as LGBT is frequently misused as a form of attack editing against people that certain online denizens simply don't like (e.g. Justin Bieber) and/or a form of involuntary outing, people cannot be categorized as LGBT without sourcing being present in the article to support that they're out as LGBT. This article currently does not contain any content or sourcing to support that Nick Carter identifies as LGBT — on a Google search to see if any sources were possible, I did find this, which is kind of ambiguous about how he does or doesn't self-identify his sexuality (he kind of says he's bisexual and not bisexual at the same time), so it's not clear-cut one way or the other and requires dewbate. I think it's a no, personally, but I can imagine that other people might feel differently. all I actually get is sources about Aaron kinda sorta calling himself bisexual in an interview and then half-assedly walking it back a few days later, with no sources for Nick being LGBTQ-identified at all.

Note that Category:LGBT rights activists from the United States is not affected by this — inclusion in that category does not necessarily imply that the subject is LGBT, as it is entirely possible for straight people to be pro-LGBT allies. That category has also at times been removed as part of this editwar, but I have not personally removed it pending resolution of this discussion as it doesn't directly imply anything about Nick Carter's own sexuality (though obviously I have no issue with the fact that somebody else chose to remove it afterward, as I don't know enough about Nick Carter's views to litigate the question.)

Accordingly, I've removed the sexuality categories and applied a week of semi to the page to prevent the editwarring, and would like some input from other editors on whether categorizing him as LGBT is warranted or not. Also, if I keep running into repeat spins around this maypole even without actually having any active interest in this page at all, that implies that there aren't enough people actually watching the page anymore, so it may need some new active watchlisters to help control the issue in the future. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I have removed Category:LGBT rights activists from the United States because of the same lack of evidence in the article. We need sources and article support for any of these. Elizium23 (talk) 17:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I agree with removal until there's adequate sourcing in the article. For a point of clarification: Unless I'm missing something, this is about Aaron Carter (Nick Carter's brother, or someone else entirely). Urve (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Gah, you're right. I didn't even really pay careful attention to the name involved, and just glossed right over that in search of whether it supported queerness. In other words, that's even less valid than I already thought (and note that even having missed that it was about Aaron instead of Nick, I already didn't think it was solid.) Bearcat (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Big Baby News

Nick's nickname is not, I repeat, NOT Junior, so I don't where that came from. and Found out something big: Nick and Lauren are expecting their third child.108.46.251.85 (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. "Nick Carter and Wife Lauren Expecting Baby No. 3 After Multiple Miscarriages". PEOPLE.com.
  2. "Nick Carter and Wife Lauren Kitt Expecting 'Surprise' Baby No. 3". Entertainment Tonight.
  3. "Nick Carter & Wife Lauren Expecting Baby #3". Extra.

Legal Confusion

Okay, can someone please tell me how was Nick's sister BJ and brother-in-law Mike Ashton even involved with the restraining orders? It was only Nick and Angel who filed against Aaron. I even found of it myself right here.

1. https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/20/aaron-carter-restraining-order-court-brother-nick-sister-angel/

2. https://people.com/music/aaron-carter-twin-sister-restraining-order-extended/

3. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8530283/nick-carter-restraining-order-against-aaron-carter

4. https://www.etonline.com/aaron-carters-brother-nick-granted-1-year-restraining-order-136773

5. https://www.eonline.com/news/1095408/nick-carter-granted-one-year-restraining-order-against-aaron-carter

See? There was no mention of BJ or Mike in any of the articles. 108.46.251.85 (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Contentious unproven allegations

Unproven allegations have been repeatedly added to, and removed from, this article. An IP editor has made a legal threat in relation to the material being included. I blocked the IP range under the policy on legal threats. However, I think there is a good case for keeping the material out of the article, and I ask that anyone thinking otherwise should seek consensus here before restoring the disputed material. For convenience I am posting here a copy of comments by Daniel and myself posted at WP:AN/I. JBW (talk) 09:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


Absolutely no issue with the block for NLT, obviously that's black and white. And on the face of it, I agree that removal of sourced information is generally revertable with minimum thought. But let's take a step back here and think about this. I think it's fair to say that this person is either the subject, or someone associated with the subject. The sentence they are trying to remove is sourced, so agree that it has the right to be included. But is it a fair representation of the sources and situation (WP:NPOV)? For me, no. It doesn't mention that he denied the claims. It doesn't mention any of his viewpoint. Right now, that paragraph reads to someone who doesn't click thru to the source as if the only thing that 'saved' him was the statute of limitations, and does not even touch on the fact that he denied the claims. In my view, I can just about understand the removal of content by a person closely associated with the subject, given the emotion they would feel reading it presented the way it is. I feel like we can make some changes here to benefit the presentation of the information, and improve the content around this paragraph to make it more reflective of the situation (and hence, neutral). Thoughts? (Pinging those who have edited the article recently @Vedbas:, @Johnnie Bob:, @CodeTalker:, and blocking administrator @JBW:.) Daniel (talk) 23:53, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

I am largely inclined to agree, Daniel. In fact on reflection I wonder whether a friendly explanation and warning might have been better than an immediate block. I will look again at the disputed content, and if I find I am substantially in agreement with your view I shall remove it, and I suggest that if anyone thinks it should be restored they seek consensus before doing so. In dealing with negative statements about a living person we should err on the side of excluding material if in doubt. JBW (talk) 08:59, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Privacy

I have removed names and exact dates from non-notable family members that we do not need to include, per WP:BLPNAME and WP:BLPPRIVACY. Elizium23 (talk) 17:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Sexual assault allegations

I feel that the sexual assault allegations in regards to Nick Carter should be added as it's a matter of public record. Initially I added all 3 incidences that had been reported to police, as well as statements from Nick Carter where they were reported. The edit was reverted on the basis no charges were laid. This doesn't seem like a neutral decision, especially within the scope of sexual assault allegations. I would point to examples of allegations against people like Bill Cosby, Michael Jackson or that are well publicised and shown on their own pages. If we edit information as relevant based on the results of the information and not the information itself then are we not allowing our own biases to determine what is published? Also it seems this has been discussed above in "Controversy" where 3 different users agreed the allegations should be added and then again in "Contentious unproven allegations" where the main point of contention was neutrality. In my edit I added sources and comments from alleged victim's, police and Nick Carter / his representatives. Furthermore the user who removed the edit and was banned for making legal threats (LoriKnightKLE) is an entertainment manager and close friends with the Carter family. Pinging @Meters: and @Beauty School Dropout: who reverted my edits so we can hopefully come to a consensus Persianprince99 (talk) 08:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persianprince99 (talkcontribs) 05:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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