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The '''Congo Crisis''' (1960-1965) was a period of turmoil in the First Republic of the ] that began with national independence from ] and ended with the seizing of power by ]. At various points it had the characteristics of anti-colonial struggle, a secessionist war with the province of ], a ] ] operation, and a ] ] between the ] and the ]. In recognition of the failure of the word "crisis" to convey this complexity, some authors write '''Congo "Crisis"''' or '''"Congo Crisis"'''. The Crisis led to the assassination of prime minister ], as well as a traumatic setback to the United Nations following the death of ] ] in a plane crash as he sought to mediate.
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==Background==
Prior to the establishment of the First Republic in 1960, the native Congolese elites had formed semi-political organisations which gradually evolved into the main parties striving for independence. These organisations were formed on one of three foundations: ethnic kinship, connections formed in schools, and urban ].


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The largest of these was ] (ABAKO), founded in 1950, which was an ethnic association which promoted the interests and language of the ] (or ]) people, as well as Bakongo-related ethnic groups. ABAKO, led by ] during the Crisis, was at the forefront of the more insistent demands for both independence and federalism. Other less successful ethnic associations included the ], who championed the needs of the ] collection of ethnic groups (a grouping created by colonial ethnologists), and the ] – who included people from the ] region. Fédékaléo later split into several groups. Though these organisations represented ethnic groups from all over the Congo, they usually based themselves in Leopoldville (now ]), since one reason for their existence was the need to maintain ethnic ties after the mass migration to urban areas.
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'''FOR ANONS, I WILL DEFINITELY REPLY HERE. FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THIS MAY BE HERE OR AT YOUR TALK PAGE. IF IT IS A MULTI-PARTY DISCUSSION, THEN DEFINITELY HERE'''
Another source of political groupings was the various Alumni Associations - whose membership came from former students of colonial Christian schools in the Congo. Most of the major politicians of the period were Alumni members, and the associations were used to create networks of advisors and supporters.


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The third political tributary were the ''Cercles'', urban associations that sprang up in the cities of the Congo, which were designed to foster solidarity amongst the ''évolués'' (educated elites). In the words of ], the head of the Cercles of Stanleyville (now ]), the Cercles were created to "improve intellectual, social, moral and physical formation" of the évolués.
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==Ian thorpe==
===The thirty year plan===
Any news? Have you made up your mind? any input from anyone else? ] 09:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In the early ] Belgium came under increasing pressure to transform the ] into a self-governing state. Belgium had ratified article 73 of the ], which advocated self-determination, and both superpowers put pressure on Belgium to reform their Congo policy. The Belgian governments response was largely dismissive. However, Belgian professor ], in 1955, published a treatise called ''Thirty Year Plan for the Politcal Emancipation of Belgian Africa''. The timetable called for gradual emancipation of the Congo over a thirty year period - the time Van Bilsen expected it would take to create an educated elite who could replace the Belgians in positions of power. The Belgian government and many of the ''évolués'' were suspicious of the plan — the former because it meant eventually giving up the Congo, and the latter because Belgium would still be ruling Congo for another 3 decades. A group of ] ''évolués'' responded positively to the plan with a manifesto in a Congolese journal called ''Conscience Africaine'', with their only point of disagreement being the amount of native Congolese participation. The ethnic association ABAKO decided to distance themselves from the plan, in part because most of the Catholic ''évolués'' who wrote the ''Conscience Africaine'' manifesto were not from the Kongo ethnic group favoured by ABAKO, but also because they had decided to take a more radical, less gradualist approach to ending colonialism. ABAKO demanded immediate self-government for Congo.


== Deletion of Sarah Hanson-Young page ==
=== Independence ===


Hi Blnguyen,
The independent Republic of the Congo was declared on ] ], with ] as President and Patrice Lumumba as Prime Minister. It shared a name with the neighboring ] to the west, a French colony that also gained independence in 1960, and the two were normally differentiated by also stating the name of the relevant capital city, so Congo (Léopoldville) versus Congo (Brazzaville).
I am writing to ask that you reconsider your 'delete & protect' on the entry for Sarah Hanson-Young (Senate candidate for Greens SA) on 23 Oct 2006. She seems no less worthy (in fact, she is probably more worthy) of entry in Misplaced Pages than the many other candidates in Australian elections (see e.g. those listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/Candidates_of_the_South_Australian_legislative_election,_2006).


Unlike many of these people, Sarah has been a prominent community activist for many years. I knew of her when she was involved in pro-refugee causes and, when I heard she had been preselected for the Greens, I went to Misplaced Pages to find out more. I was dismayed to discover that, as a consequence of your actions, she did not have a page. I understand that Misplaced Pages has a policy against 'speculative' entries but I put it to you that her prior activities, and the fact of her candidature, are more than enough to warrant an entry.
==Course of the Crisis==


I also note that the 'deleted and protected' entry for Sarah is now the top-ranking entry for her name on Google. This suggests to me that there is interest in reading a Misplaced Pages entry about her, that is currently being prevented by your actions.
===The First Republic===


===Mutiny===


Could I ask that you lift your 'delete and protect' on her page? I am currently living overseas and have no personal interest in this matter, except that I rely on Misplaced Pages as an information source.
Despite gaining political independence, the new country had few military officers so it kept many foreign officers as it trained its own military leadership. On 5 July 1960, the army (the Force Publique) near Léopoldville mutinied against its white officers and attacked numerous European targets. This caused great alarm amongst the approximately 100,000 European settlers in Congo that lived mostly in the capital city and ruined the credibility of the new government as it proved unable to control its own armed forces.
Thanks, JS <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 19:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


:It was deleted because of ]. The only reason I deleted it again, was because it was reposted. If you want to reverse the decision, please see ]. The reason that the people on the page you cite have articles, is because they are elected. SH-Y is a failed candidate, and has been agreed by other users that she is not at the moment entitled to an article. I am fully aware of her activities, especially outside Baxter Detention Centre, and the asylum seekers running away as well, as I attended the same university and was also canvassed by her for a vote a few years ago. ''']''' (]) 02:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
This immediately led to an military intervention into Congo by Belgium in an obstensible effort to secure the safety of its citizens. The reentry of these forces was a clear violation of the ] of the new nation, as it had not requested Belgian assistance.


Hi Blnguyen, thanks for your reply and the links. I really didn't want to get dragged into this, but your arguments are factually incorrect on several points so I feel obligated to. In particular,
===Secession of Katanga===


(1) Numerous failed candidates from the SA 2006 state election have bios - that is why I referred you to the link. See Amanda Rishworth, Rosemary Clancy, or Peter Gandolfi, to name just 3. So being a failed candidate does indeed seem to entitle you to an article. Moreover, these people have done far less than Sarah has outside of being party candidates.
===Lumumba assasinated===


:''Those ones got through the net. I am willing to nominate them for deletion, as it is clear that those that are nominated, are routinely deleted in a decisive verdict. ''']''' (]) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
===Mobutu and the Second Republic===


(2) Being a prominent community activist is, separately, a legitimate reason for being listed in wikipedia. Check out the bios for Ian Rintoul, Juanita Wheeler, or Felix Eldridge, to name just 3. Of course, you could spend your days going through wikipedia and deleting these people as well. Alternatively you could recognise that different communities use wikipedia to document their stories and histories, and that this is one of the things that makes wikipedia so valuable.
==External links==


:''That is true, as ] has survived one AfD. However, these are grey cases, and SHY did not pass her AfD. ''']''' (]) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
* broken into four phases from ]
* on the interventions compiled by the US Air Force
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For both these reasons the "NN" rule does not apply. Consequently the whole argument about "crystal ball gazing" does not apply in this case, because Sarah is entitled to an article on the basis of her community activism and status as a candidate, not only as a prospective electee.
==Further reading==

*De Witte, Ludo. (2001) ''The Assassination of Lumumba'', Verso. Publication of book resulted in Belgian parliamentary commission and official apology from Belgium for role in the assassination of Lumumba.
Furthermore, your electoral analysis on ] is factually incorrect. Political parties do not need a 14% primary vote to be elected to the Senate - they need 14% after preferences. The 2004 Family First candidate in Victoria was elected with about 2% primary vote. So the electoral situation of the Greens in no way justifies the deletion of the article. Similarly, your argument for including Andrea Mason and excluding Sarah is purely arbitrary and stands open to allegations of bias.
*Epstein, Howard (ed). (1974) ''Revolt in the Congo, 1960-1964'', Armor Books. Essays by various authors.

*Gondola, Ch. Didier. (2002) ''The History of Congo'', Greenwood Press, ISBN 0-313-31696-1.
Moreover, and I say this respectfully, it really concerns me that (a) you have backed up your actions with spurious electoral analysis despite having an understanding of the Australian political and electoral systems that is incorrect on fundamental points, (b) you have done so little research to ensure that your deletion is consistent with the treatment of bios of people in analogous positions, and (c) you yourself admit to having a personal knowledge of Sarah, which surely should disqualify you from involvement in this case on the basis that you are not an impartial arbitrator. Your comments above, linking Sarah to the escape of refugees from detention, clearly suggests a bias against her.
*Kanza, Thomas. (1979) ''The Rise and Fall of Patrice Lumumba'', Schenkman.

*Legum, Colin. (1961) ''Congo Disaster'', Penguin Books.
I don't want to have to take this to a formal undeletion review because (a) I am busy and don't have enough of a personal involvement to engage in endless argument, and (b) it would unavoidably involve public criticism of you, which I have no particular desire to do. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that it is within your power to reverse the deletion yourself. I am asking you to do this. If you are not, I would appreciate it if you could tell me exactly how to initiate an undeletion review.
*Lemarchand, René, (1964) ''Political Awakening in the Belgian Congo'', University of California Press.

*Lumumba, Patrice. (1962) ''Congo, My Country'', Pall Mall Press. Speeches and selected writing by Lumumba.
Sincerely, JS
*Weiss, Herbert. (1967) ''Political Protest in the Congo: The Parti Solidaire Africain during the Independence Struggle'', Princeton University Press.

*Weissman, Stephen R. (1974) ''American Foreign Policy in the Congo, 1960-1964'', Cornell University Press.
:I'm aware that you don't need 14% primary votes to get into the senate at all, but the preference system is quite complicated and I didn't go to the length of putting a convoluted argument there for people not acquainted with Australia's electoral system. The comparison to ]'s 2% is irrelevant, since he was elected, and continues to generate considerable media coverage as a sitting senator, while, SHY does not get a comparable amount of publicity. While it's true that Fielding had a lot of luck and on electoral merit is less notable, as a sitting senator, he is far more notable. I'm confident that the community was not fleeced, since the majority of the commenters are Australian and some are involved in politics themselves. ] "cj" is an activist at Flinders, ] used to be a NUS office bearer, Lankiveil, Andjam, are all Australians. The only people who wanted to keep, Rebecca (is a student activist) and Zzymurgy is involved with the Greens, so the people who have kept have involvement, moreso than myself, I am simply a random student not involved or having a stake in politics at all, aside from being canvassed for a vote. I do not have a conflict of interest. All those things aside, it was not my decision to delete the article : CSCWEM closed the debate as a delete, as the nominator, I cannot adjudicate the verdict. I only deleted the second time because an article had been reposted after a group consensus to delete (see ] G4 ??) about deleting reposted content. My delete was not dependent on any judgment except that it was to enforce the removal of something which was sanctioned by somebody else, in this case, CSCWEM. So I cannot undelete it myself, since it was the community verdict to delete the article. You would have to go to ] and start an entry for SHY. Thanks, ''']''' (]) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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== Cricket World Cup ==
blgnguyen can you please do the best to fix those you metioned? I have already addressed the critisims and so im asking you please do a copyedit or get a user who's good at it to do so, also please provide better source if you can. thanks for taking care of it--]
:Well, I don't fancy my copyediting skills much, so if you revert me, I'll assume my edits were rubbish and won't revert them back. Having said that, I might not bother if I keep on getting reverted, because I don't think I'm contributing. ''']''' (]) 07:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you please comment on it's FAC. ''' <font color="#000080">—</font> ]''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 23:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:I will, I will try to polish it a little first. ''']''' (]) 01:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

== Making policy... ==

I think this is my first attempt at helping make policy and I'd appreciate a careful eye cast on my stumbling efforts. Please will you take a peek at ] and chime in? --] 10:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Err, I think you are doing fine. ''']''' (]) 00:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==Thank you for locking Belgaum==
Thank you for locking article and suppressing truth! Even if wikipedia says Belgaum is Belgavi, reality doesnt change. Indian newspapers/media dont call that city by that name. Great groupism and elitism. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 13:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:Hello, I know it is you Sarvabhaum. You are blocked. Evading the block will get a longer block and people are allowed to revert sockpuppet edits without limit. ''']''' (]) 03:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
::This is nothing to do with the article content, it is about you evading the block. ''']''' (]) 05:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey!This shows how ignorants you people are! Imagine we have at least five computers accessible to us and my college has 625 students!! So anyone who does dare to write anything against ur pampered friends u will label it as me. BTW still no explanation about why Kannada script precede Marathi? And what's belgavi!! Dear its non-existent. Also I have citations for other pages also! I mean feel some shame,the way ur end ]
:You are again evading the block Sarvabhaum, and with this IP you are again reverting all the Kannada empire pages. That's another month -> 4 months. We know it isn't a shared IP. ''']''' (]) 00:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:Can u do something when ur friends are removing cited info from various pages. I have scans to prove my point. I will send u the scans if u want. Ur friend kannambadi is insulting other states of India by labelling their great empires as kannada. email me at vishuba2007@rediffmail.com and I will send u the scans.
About Belgaum,those ignorants are using Belgavi as a heading on a page titled '''Belgaum''' ! Belgavi is not used by any newspaper. So let me see if u r of any use!
:''d with this IP you are again reverting all the Kannada empire pages. That's another month -> 4 months. We know it isn't a shared IP.''
What is this>?I didnt understand!! Dont frame fictitious charges on me! its a shared IP!! ]

::The guy I was referring to actually signed as Sarvabhaum, please stop the mock outrage, you fool nobody. Any more, and you will be banned (not suspended). ''']''' (]) 00:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Falun Gong discussion page three-strike proposal regarding FG editors' behavior ==

Hi Blnguyen. I've noticed you protected the ] wikipedia entry and thus are probably the most suitable to approve / enforce / disapprove this matter, not to talk about your position on the ArbCom. There is a three-strike proposal regarding editors' behavior which they must conform to, and has been agreed by persons from all three camps (the pro-FG, the anti-FG and the third-parties). I'll reproduce the rules here that have been adopted:

'''The rules are: '''
* '''1. If you propose an edit to Misplaced Pages's Falun Gong entry, it MUST be posted in the discussion board of the Falun Gong Wiki entry or one of the special and related talk pages (e.g. the FG introduction discussion page). Exceptions only apply to administrators or sysops when playing their admin / sysop function.'''
* '''2(a) An edit by any editor here is defined as the alteration - addition or deletion - of content of the ] Misplaced Pages entry.'''
* '''2(b) Alterations of format, settings, including font size, etc., will be subject to direct approval by an administrator-level editor or above.
* '''2(c) The inclusion of pictures is subject to Misplaced Pages copyright rules, the approval of editors AND the direct approval of an administrator.
* '''3(a)(i). This proposal has to be on there for a minimum of FIVE FULL DAYS (120 hours) without disagreement from any other editor, except those editors blocked by Misplaced Pages during that time for violation of this rule IN RELATION to this proposal. '''
** '''3(a)(ii). To prevent abuse of the term "five full days", aka 120 hours, the time that Misplaced Pages is down or not accessible (if more than 1 hour at any one time during those 120 hours), then the time that Misplaced Pages was down will NOT count to those 120 hours.'''
** '''3(b) If, during those five full days any other editor disagrees with the proposal, the five full day time clock is reset. A reset time clock applies to any edit of the main Falun Gong Wiki entry of the proposal's section(s).'''
** '''3(c) If, after five full days, there is no disagreement from any user, then the main Falun Gong Wiki page will be edited accordingly. Reversion of such an edit is not permitted unless another proposal is made, which must then adhere to the above rules.'''
* '''4. Any deletion or addition of content of more than 25% by any editor who is not a non-involved (in content) administrator or sysop of any one section will constitute as vandalism, except -'''
** '''a) The addition of more than 25% is to revert a deletion of more than 25% of the same content'''
** '''b) Violation of the above rule shall be deemed in violation of WP:Vandalism and thus incur the same action(s) / penalty(ies).'''
* '''5. If a user edits in violation of this, then they will be given a warning ('first strike'). Similar action will be taken if they do it a second time.'''
* '''6(a) If the user edits the main Falun Gong page without discussion, or with discussion but with less than 120 hours for disagreement, or in violation of any of the above rules, and they do it three times, then BOTH sides will HAVE to agree to take action against this user. '''
** '''6(b) Actions to be taken have to include one of the following: consulting an administrator or sysop, or going to the ArbCom to have them temporarily blocked. The length of the block is to be determined by the relevant administrator, sysop or ArbCom. If these short blocks don't work, nor the longer blocks, then blocks ranging up to being permanently banned from Misplaced Pages will be considered.'''
* '''7. This proposal will apply only to Misplaced Pages's Falun Gong entry, and not to any other related entry.'''
* '''8. Any change of these rules is subject to a proposal in a similar fashion to the above.'''

I hope you can give your opinion / approve / enforce the above rules for the ] Misplaced Pages entry. This way, permanent protection of that entry will not be necessary. Preferably, a reply can be given on the Falun Gong discussion page as well as anywhere else you deem appropriate. Thanks for your time. ] 19:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

: I'm reading through it yes. Thanks for the notice. ''']''' (]) 00:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks again Szvest for your contributions. This article kindly nominated by Rama's Arrow. Many thanks and feel free to self nominate in the future. Regards, ''']''' (]) 04:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Blnguyen and welkies. The article's become a pretty good one since i started it. Rama's done a good job as well. -- '']'' - <small>]</small> 15:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== Blocking of ] ==

Hi, I'm just wondering about your blocking of ] as a sockpuppet of ]. How was this decision arrived at? Are there any relevant pages I can look at for information on how your decision was arrived at, such as a page on ]? Thanks. --] 23:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:There's a bit more in Archive 40 of my talk page - ] and also ] under my postings and ]. Thanks, ''']''' (]) 00:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Frater Xyzzy ==

He's still causing problems, not only is he engaging in personal attacks here, he's got a sympathizer jumping on board something she has no clue about. He doesn't understand that I wanted to note that the IP was Frater, and that the IP was used when he was blocked - it's one less way Xyzzy can use a sock on WP. Anyhow, since Xyzzy was the IP, that means he rm'ed the prod off the article he started in the first place w/o disclosure (He edited as an anon user, and clearly had a vested interest). He then tried to create a problem on as the anon by claiming COI because Masons were voting and not disclosing (we all have userboxes, BTW). He has since gone back to the AfD and changed the IP edit comments to his username (thus obliterating the dates), and has disclosed he is the author, as well as voting on said AfD. In the latest edit summary, he again accuses the Masonic editors of lack of disclosure ). I'm really not sure how much more disruptive he needs to be to be bliocked, but he's certainly toeing a lot of lines as far as I'm concerned. ] 04:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Well, he's bent the rules again by evading his block and I wouldn't be surprised if he was evading the technology anyway. ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
== Admin ==

I would have thought, simply, that I'm too much of an aggressive cunt to be an admin. But that's just my humble opinion. ] <sup>]</sup> 04:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Not at all. chin up. ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
== ] ==

So you are saying that '''current''' conversation regarding his edits that are being disputed and allowed to be deleted? Even though they are still being talked about with him? Even though he simply wants to dismiss people's comments? It's a bit stupid for people to go looking in the history of a page to add another point to a conversation that is still occurring. --] (]) 05:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:I am allowed to blank my user talk page according to the rules of Misplaced Pages. -] 05:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
::It is, although a persistent self-blanker will generate more attention by doing so and it may be a pyrhhic victory. ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
== DYK thanks and query ==
Thank you for featuring ]. However it's a pity that this South African story was only featured for 6 hours between 1am and 7am on Monday morning South African time. ] 06:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's a pity, the updates are a bit irregular because of different people doing different shifts on different timezones, but if you submit a few times, the long and the short stints will balance each other out hopefully. There was a time on a weekend when it stayed for 40 hours.... ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== ] ] ==
Can you please re-consider? I've made a lot of improvement on the article. Thank you! --] (]•]) 12:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
: I would but it is already 8 days old...I wonder how many people would mind though... let's see....''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
== DYK ==
Thanks for putting up Norte Chico (even if it only stayed for six hours...). As for adminship, you're the fourth person to suggest it in the last couple of weeks. One of these days. ] 12:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, the updates are a bit irregular, but if you submit a few times, the long and the short stints will balance each other out. ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

Hey Blnguyen,

I just would like to thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship, which passed with a final tally of 54/13/11. I appreciate the trust expressed by members of the community, and will do my best to uphold it.

Naturally, I am still becoming accustomed to using the new tools, so if you have suggestions or feedback, or need anything please let me know. - ] 20:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Well done. You're welcome. ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

==]==
I can't work out what is going on here. Why have you reblocked this user? ] 21:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, he was originally blocked after ] raised some issues and Dmcdevit and UC showed that they were linked, initially. Given the editing patterns, there was also suspicion that these guys had multiple computers or were meatpuppets of some banned users. So I blocked Frater Xyzzy. It turns out he was evading that block, as he later admitted using an IP, and then re-signed the IP address using his username. ''']''' (]) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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FOR ANONS, I WILL DEFINITELY REPLY HERE. FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THIS MAY BE HERE OR AT YOUR TALK PAGE. IF IT IS A MULTI-PARTY DISCUSSION, THEN DEFINITELY HERE

Blnguyen is very happy, humbled, honoured to have received such levels of support and endorsing comments for the Arbitration Committee. He is looking forward to serving the community to achieve its goals of making decisions which further the encyclopedia. He is also relieved after the turbulent and rocky ride of the election period. He is first and foremost an editor at heart and also intends to continue his work as a humble editor! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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Any news? Have you made up your mind? any input from anyone else? Karacult 09:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Sarah Hanson-Young page

Hi Blnguyen,

I am writing to ask that you reconsider your 'delete & protect' on the entry for Sarah Hanson-Young (Senate candidate for Greens SA) on 23 Oct 2006. She seems no less worthy (in fact, she is probably more worthy) of entry in Misplaced Pages than the many other candidates in Australian elections (see e.g. those listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/Candidates_of_the_South_Australian_legislative_election,_2006).

Unlike many of these people, Sarah has been a prominent community activist for many years. I knew of her when she was involved in pro-refugee causes and, when I heard she had been preselected for the Greens, I went to Misplaced Pages to find out more. I was dismayed to discover that, as a consequence of your actions, she did not have a page. I understand that Misplaced Pages has a policy against 'speculative' entries but I put it to you that her prior activities, and the fact of her candidature, are more than enough to warrant an entry.

I also note that the 'deleted and protected' entry for Sarah is now the top-ranking entry for her name on Google. This suggests to me that there is interest in reading a Misplaced Pages entry about her, that is currently being prevented by your actions.


Could I ask that you lift your 'delete and protect' on her page? I am currently living overseas and have no personal interest in this matter, except that I rely on Misplaced Pages as an information source.

Thanks, JS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.45.130.213 (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

It was deleted because of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sarah Hanson-Young. The only reason I deleted it again, was because it was reposted. If you want to reverse the decision, please see WP:DRV. The reason that the people on the page you cite have articles, is because they are elected. SH-Y is a failed candidate, and has been agreed by other users that she is not at the moment entitled to an article. I am fully aware of her activities, especially outside Baxter Detention Centre, and the asylum seekers running away as well, as I attended the same university and was also canvassed by her for a vote a few years ago. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Blnguyen, thanks for your reply and the links. I really didn't want to get dragged into this, but your arguments are factually incorrect on several points so I feel obligated to. In particular,

(1) Numerous failed candidates from the SA 2006 state election have bios - that is why I referred you to the link. See Amanda Rishworth, Rosemary Clancy, or Peter Gandolfi, to name just 3. So being a failed candidate does indeed seem to entitle you to an article. Moreover, these people have done far less than Sarah has outside of being party candidates.

Those ones got through the net. I am willing to nominate them for deletion, as it is clear that those that are nominated, are routinely deleted in a decisive verdict. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

(2) Being a prominent community activist is, separately, a legitimate reason for being listed in wikipedia. Check out the bios for Ian Rintoul, Juanita Wheeler, or Felix Eldridge, to name just 3. Of course, you could spend your days going through wikipedia and deleting these people as well. Alternatively you could recognise that different communities use wikipedia to document their stories and histories, and that this is one of the things that makes wikipedia so valuable.

That is true, as Felix Eldridge has survived one AfD. However, these are grey cases, and SHY did not pass her AfD. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

For both these reasons the "NN" rule does not apply. Consequently the whole argument about "crystal ball gazing" does not apply in this case, because Sarah is entitled to an article on the basis of her community activism and status as a candidate, not only as a prospective electee.

Furthermore, your electoral analysis on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sarah Hanson-Young is factually incorrect. Political parties do not need a 14% primary vote to be elected to the Senate - they need 14% after preferences. The 2004 Family First candidate in Victoria was elected with about 2% primary vote. So the electoral situation of the Greens in no way justifies the deletion of the article. Similarly, your argument for including Andrea Mason and excluding Sarah is purely arbitrary and stands open to allegations of bias.

Moreover, and I say this respectfully, it really concerns me that (a) you have backed up your actions with spurious electoral analysis despite having an understanding of the Australian political and electoral systems that is incorrect on fundamental points, (b) you have done so little research to ensure that your deletion is consistent with the treatment of bios of people in analogous positions, and (c) you yourself admit to having a personal knowledge of Sarah, which surely should disqualify you from involvement in this case on the basis that you are not an impartial arbitrator. Your comments above, linking Sarah to the escape of refugees from detention, clearly suggests a bias against her.

I don't want to have to take this to a formal undeletion review because (a) I am busy and don't have enough of a personal involvement to engage in endless argument, and (b) it would unavoidably involve public criticism of you, which I have no particular desire to do. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that it is within your power to reverse the deletion yourself. I am asking you to do this. If you are not, I would appreciate it if you could tell me exactly how to initiate an undeletion review.

Sincerely, JS

I'm aware that you don't need 14% primary votes to get into the senate at all, but the preference system is quite complicated and I didn't go to the length of putting a convoluted argument there for people not acquainted with Australia's electoral system. The comparison to Steve Fielding's 2% is irrelevant, since he was elected, and continues to generate considerable media coverage as a sitting senator, while, SHY does not get a comparable amount of publicity. While it's true that Fielding had a lot of luck and on electoral merit is less notable, as a sitting senator, he is far more notable. I'm confident that the community was not fleeced, since the majority of the commenters are Australian and some are involved in politics themselves. User:Cyberjunkie "cj" is an activist at Flinders, User:Roisterer used to be a NUS office bearer, Lankiveil, Andjam, are all Australians. The only people who wanted to keep, Rebecca (is a student activist) and Zzymurgy is involved with the Greens, so the people who have kept have involvement, moreso than myself, I am simply a random student not involved or having a stake in politics at all, aside from being canvassed for a vote. I do not have a conflict of interest. All those things aside, it was not my decision to delete the article : CSCWEM closed the debate as a delete, as the nominator, I cannot adjudicate the verdict. I only deleted the second time because an article had been reposted after a group consensus to delete (see WP:CSD G4 ??) about deleting reposted content. My delete was not dependent on any judgment except that it was to enforce the removal of something which was sanctioned by somebody else, in this case, CSCWEM. So I cannot undelete it myself, since it was the community verdict to delete the article. You would have to go to WP:DRV and start an entry for SHY. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Cricket World Cup

blgnguyen can you please do the best to fix those you metioned? I have already addressed the critisims and so im asking you please do a copyedit or get a user who's good at it to do so, also please provide better source if you can. thanks for taking care of it--Thugchildz

Well, I don't fancy my copyediting skills much, so if you revert me, I'll assume my edits were rubbish and won't revert them back. Having said that, I might not bother if I keep on getting reverted, because I don't think I'm contributing. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you please comment on it's FAC. — NOBLEEAGLE 23:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I will, I will try to polish it a little first. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Making policy...

I think this is my first attempt at helping make policy and I'd appreciate a careful eye cast on my stumbling efforts. Please will you take a peek at WT:BIO and chime in? --Dweller 10:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Err, I think you are doing fine. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for locking Belgaum

Thank you for locking article and suppressing truth! Even if wikipedia says Belgaum is Belgavi, reality doesnt change. Indian newspapers/media dont call that city by that name. Great groupism and elitism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.20.87 (talk) 13:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Hello, I know it is you Sarvabhaum. You are blocked. Evading the block will get a longer block and people are allowed to revert sockpuppet edits without limit. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
This is nothing to do with the article content, it is about you evading the block. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey!This shows how ignorants you people are! Imagine we have at least five computers accessible to us and my college has 625 students!! So anyone who does dare to write anything against ur pampered friends u will label it as me. BTW still no explanation about why Kannada script precede Marathi? And what's belgavi!! Dear its non-existent. Also I have citations for other pages also! I mean feel some shame,the way ur end User:Sarvabhaum

You are again evading the block Sarvabhaum, and with this IP you are again reverting all the Kannada empire pages. That's another month -> 4 months. We know it isn't a shared IP. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Can u do something when ur friends are removing cited info from various pages. I have scans to prove my point. I will send u the scans if u want. Ur friend kannambadi is insulting other states of India by labelling their great empires as kannada. email me at vishuba2007@rediffmail.com and I will send u the scans.

About Belgaum,those ignorants are using Belgavi as a heading on a page titled Belgaum ! Belgavi is not used by any newspaper. So let me see if u r of any use!

d with this IP you are again reverting all the Kannada empire pages. That's another month -> 4 months. We know it isn't a shared IP.

What is this>?I didnt understand!! Dont frame fictitious charges on me! its a shared IP!! User:Sarvabhaum

The guy I was referring to actually signed as Sarvabhaum, please stop the mock outrage, you fool nobody. Any more, and you will be banned (not suspended). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Falun Gong discussion page three-strike proposal regarding FG editors' behavior

Hi Blnguyen. I've noticed you protected the Falun Gong wikipedia entry and thus are probably the most suitable to approve / enforce / disapprove this matter, not to talk about your position on the ArbCom. There is a three-strike proposal regarding editors' behavior which they must conform to, and has been agreed by persons from all three camps (the pro-FG, the anti-FG and the third-parties). I'll reproduce the rules here that have been adopted:

The rules are:

  • 1. If you propose an edit to Misplaced Pages's Falun Gong entry, it MUST be posted in the discussion board of the Falun Gong Wiki entry or one of the special and related talk pages (e.g. the FG introduction discussion page). Exceptions only apply to administrators or sysops when playing their admin / sysop function.
  • 2(a) An edit by any editor here is defined as the alteration - addition or deletion - of content of the Falun Gong Misplaced Pages entry.
  • 2(b) Alterations of format, settings, including font size, etc., will be subject to direct approval by an administrator-level editor or above.
  • 2(c) The inclusion of pictures is subject to Misplaced Pages copyright rules, the approval of editors AND the direct approval of an administrator.
  • 3(a)(i). This proposal has to be on there for a minimum of FIVE FULL DAYS (120 hours) without disagreement from any other editor, except those editors blocked by Misplaced Pages during that time for violation of this rule IN RELATION to this proposal.
    • 3(a)(ii). To prevent abuse of the term "five full days", aka 120 hours, the time that Misplaced Pages is down or not accessible (if more than 1 hour at any one time during those 120 hours), then the time that Misplaced Pages was down will NOT count to those 120 hours.
    • 3(b) If, during those five full days any other editor disagrees with the proposal, the five full day time clock is reset. A reset time clock applies to any edit of the main Falun Gong Wiki entry of the proposal's section(s).
    • 3(c) If, after five full days, there is no disagreement from any user, then the main Falun Gong Wiki page will be edited accordingly. Reversion of such an edit is not permitted unless another proposal is made, which must then adhere to the above rules.
  • 4. Any deletion or addition of content of more than 25% by any editor who is not a non-involved (in content) administrator or sysop of any one section will constitute as vandalism, except -
    • a) The addition of more than 25% is to revert a deletion of more than 25% of the same content
    • b) Violation of the above rule shall be deemed in violation of WP:Vandalism and thus incur the same action(s) / penalty(ies).
  • 5. If a user edits in violation of this, then they will be given a warning ('first strike'). Similar action will be taken if they do it a second time.
  • 6(a) If the user edits the main Falun Gong page without discussion, or with discussion but with less than 120 hours for disagreement, or in violation of any of the above rules, and they do it three times, then BOTH sides will HAVE to agree to take action against this user.
    • 6(b) Actions to be taken have to include one of the following: consulting an administrator or sysop, or going to the ArbCom to have them temporarily blocked. The length of the block is to be determined by the relevant administrator, sysop or ArbCom. If these short blocks don't work, nor the longer blocks, then blocks ranging up to being permanently banned from Misplaced Pages will be considered.
  • 7. This proposal will apply only to Misplaced Pages's Falun Gong entry, and not to any other related entry.
  • 8. Any change of these rules is subject to a proposal in a similar fashion to the above.

I hope you can give your opinion / approve / enforce the above rules for the Falun Gong Misplaced Pages entry. This way, permanent protection of that entry will not be necessary. Preferably, a reply can be given on the Falun Gong discussion page here as well as anywhere else you deem appropriate. Thanks for your time. Jsw663 19:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm reading through it yes. Thanks for the notice. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On February 2, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article J. C. Kumarappa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks again Szvest for your contributions. This article kindly nominated by Rama's Arrow. Many thanks and feel free to self nominate in the future. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Blnguyen and welkies. The article's become a pretty good one since i started it. Rama's done a good job as well. -- Szvest - 15:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocking of 999

Hi, I'm just wondering about your blocking of 999 as a sockpuppet of Ekajati. How was this decision arrived at? Are there any relevant pages I can look at for information on how your decision was arrived at, such as a page on WP:SSP? Thanks. --Jackhorkheimer 23:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a bit more in Archive 40 of my talk page - User_talk:Blnguyen/Archive40 and also Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Evidence under my postings and Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Workshop. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Frater Xyzzy

He's still causing problems, not only is he engaging in personal attacks here, he's got a sympathizer jumping on board something she has no clue about. He doesn't understand that I wanted to note that the IP was Frater, and that the IP was used when he was blocked - it's one less way Xyzzy can use a sock on WP. Anyhow, since Xyzzy was the IP, that means he rm'ed the prod off the article he started in the first place w/o disclosure (He edited as an anon user, and clearly had a vested interest). He then tried to create a problem on the AfD of said article as the anon by claiming COI because Masons were voting and not disclosing (we all have userboxes, BTW). He has since gone back to the AfD and changed the IP edit comments to his username (thus obliterating the dates), and has disclosed he is the author, as well as voting on said AfD. In the latest edit summary, he again accuses the Masonic editors of lack of disclosure see the history). I'm really not sure how much more disruptive he needs to be to be bliocked, but he's certainly toeing a lot of lines as far as I'm concerned. MSJapan 04:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's bent the rules again by evading his block and I wouldn't be surprised if he was evading the technology anyway. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Admin

I would have thought, simply, that I'm too much of an aggressive cunt to be an admin. But that's just my humble opinion. michael 04:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. chin up. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Nationalist

So you are saying that current conversation regarding his edits that are being disputed and allowed to be deleted? Even though they are still being talked about with him? Even though he simply wants to dismiss people's comments? It's a bit stupid for people to go looking in the history of a page to add another point to a conversation that is still occurring. --Borgarde (talk) 05:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I am allowed to blank my user talk page according to the rules of Misplaced Pages. -Nationalist 05:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It is, although a persistent self-blanker will generate more attention by doing so and it may be a pyrhhic victory. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK thanks and query

Thank you for featuring John Perlman. However it's a pity that this South African story was only featured for 6 hours between 1am and 7am on Monday morning South African time. Zaian 06:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a pity, the updates are a bit irregular because of different people doing different shifts on different timezones, but if you submit a few times, the long and the short stints will balance each other out hopefully. There was a time on a weekend when it stayed for 40 hours.... Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Loboc Children's Choir WP:DYK

Can you please re-consider? I've made a lot of improvement on the article. Thank you! --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 12:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I would but it is already 8 days old...I wonder how many people would mind though... let's see....Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for putting up Norte Chico (even if it only stayed for six hours...). As for adminship, you're the fourth person to suggest it in the last couple of weeks. One of these days. Marskell 12:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the updates are a bit irregular, but if you submit a few times, the long and the short stints will balance each other out. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hey Blnguyen,

I just would like to thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship, which passed with a final tally of 54/13/11. I appreciate the trust expressed by members of the community, and will do my best to uphold it.

Naturally, I am still becoming accustomed to using the new tools, so if you have suggestions or feedback, or need anything please let me know. - Gilliam 20:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done. You're welcome. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Frater Xyzzy

I can't work out what is going on here. Why have you reblocked this user? User:Theresa knott 21:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, he was originally blocked after Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Starwood raised some issues and Dmcdevit and UC showed that they were linked, initially. Given the editing patterns, there was also suspicion that these guys had multiple computers or were meatpuppets of some banned users. So I blocked Frater Xyzzy. It turns out he was evading that block, as he later admitted using an IP, and then re-signed the IP address using his username. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)