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| : You're welcome to comment. I'd like to point out that I reserve the right to not reply or to quit replying if things turn too personalized or battlegroundy. I'll also note that I will be on the road until early Feb, so I'm confined to sources I can access on the internet and the books I brought with me (which my husband restricted me to one small canvas bag ... he kept muttering about weight limits in the truck or some such nonsense...you'd think that the first time I went out I took seven canvas bags and we were afraid we'd be over weight limits a few times.... ) If you do, start a new section. I'll also point out that I'm not really interested in "who did what to whom" in the editing wars.... if the articles get fixed without further drama, that's a win in my book and that would obviate a need for any further cases or enforcement actions. (One further disclosure - I did get an email from Icewhiz today (He had my email from before he was banned when he wanted a journal article.). I deleted the email unread - I don't care to engage with someone with his toxic behavior, whether or not he's "correct" on the substance. So I'm holding the "other side" to the same standard of civility. ] (]) 00:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC) | : You're welcome to comment. I'd like to point out that I reserve the right to not reply or to quit replying if things turn too personalized or battlegroundy. I'll also note that I will be on the road until early Feb, so I'm confined to sources I can access on the internet and the books I brought with me (which my husband restricted me to one small canvas bag ... he kept muttering about weight limits in the truck or some such nonsense...you'd think that the first time I went out I took seven canvas bags and we were afraid we'd be over weight limits a few times.... ) If you do, start a new section. I'll also point out that I'm not really interested in "who did what to whom" in the editing wars.... if the articles get fixed without further drama, that's a win in my book and that would obviate a need for any further cases or enforcement actions. (One further disclosure - I did get an email from Icewhiz today (He had my email from before he was banned when he wanted a journal article.). I deleted the email unread - I don't care to engage with someone with his toxic behavior, whether or not he's "correct" on the substance. So I'm holding the "other side" to the same standard of civility. ] (]) 00:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
| :: Sounds good and thank you! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 00:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC) | :: Sounds good and thank you! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 00:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
| *I think this is valid criticism. But as framed, these are all exclusively content issues, not behavior issues by any specified users that could be addressed by administrators. Some of the cited statements from the WP pages are actually correct statements; they just need to be sourced better - yes, sure. Others must be rephrased or possibly removed. This is just a typical content work. I think this subject area is actually covered much better than many other subject areas in WP. Yes, in some cases there is simply not enough info on the page. Yes, sure, but no one ever objected to include more such info, for example about Nazi vans. Yes, a lot more info can be included to a lot of pages, and everyone is welcome to do just that. Every version of every page is wrong version. This is all. ] (]) 01:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Thanks for your time
Ealdgyth I want to thank you for the time you've spent in compiling this. I plan in the next few days to go through it fully so you can rest assured at least one arb will read and think about it and I suspect I won't be the only one. I wanted to acknowledge that because there is likely to be some further motions made at the case request and I don't want you to think that this was in vain. I will be considering what you write here before making any "final" votes in this situation. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I echo Barkeep49's message in full. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 22:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
I also want to thank you Ealdgyth. Do you mind if I comment on some of these points here? For example, it seems that the part about "majority" among Righteous Among Nations, was not sourced to Paulsson, it was simply unsourced. Looks like someone wrote it as a "lead in" sentence for that section. And yes, it was incorrect - people often confuse "majority" with "plurality". I've corrected it. Volunteer Marek 00:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- You're welcome to comment. I'd like to point out that I reserve the right to not reply or to quit replying if things turn too personalized or battlegroundy. I'll also note that I will be on the road until early Feb, so I'm confined to sources I can access on the internet and the books I brought with me (which my husband restricted me to one small canvas bag ... he kept muttering about weight limits in the truck or some such nonsense...you'd think that the first time I went out I took seven canvas bags and we were afraid we'd be over weight limits a few times.... ) If you do, start a new section. I'll also point out that I'm not really interested in "who did what to whom" in the editing wars.... if the articles get fixed without further drama, that's a win in my book and that would obviate a need for any further cases or enforcement actions. (One further disclosure - I did get an email from Icewhiz today (He had my email from before he was banned when he wanted a journal article.). I deleted the email unread - I don't care to engage with someone with his toxic behavior, whether or not he's "correct" on the substance. So I'm holding the "other side" to the same standard of civility. Ealdgyth (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds good and thank you! Volunteer Marek 00:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think this is valid criticism. But as framed, these are all exclusively content issues, not behavior issues by any specified users that could be addressed by administrators. Some of the cited statements from the WP pages are actually correct statements; they just need to be sourced better - yes, sure. Others must be rephrased or possibly removed. This is just a typical content work. I think this subject area is actually covered much better than many other subject areas in WP. Yes, in some cases there is simply not enough info on the page. Yes, sure, but no one ever objected to include more such info, for example about Nazi vans. Yes, a lot more info can be included to a lot of pages, and everyone is welcome to do just that. Every version of every page is wrong version. This is all. My very best wishes (talk) 01:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)