Misplaced Pages

This isn't really the right place to comment about it, and definitely not the right way to go about changing peoples' minds. Indja 09:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Nelly Furtado

Interesting combination. I've reworded the bit about Nelly Furtado and Minogue recording a duet. There are numerous websites speculating that they are planning a duet and these seem to date from about December 1st. Several of them refer back to a music.com site as their source, but reading that source piece, it's completely different. Furtado said 1. she admired Minogue's courage. 2. she would have loved to have had her on her recent album 3. Minogue is the person she would most like to record with and 4. She likes "Can't Get You Out Of My Head". If there is anything more recent that is more than rumour, then please rewrite it again, and provide an updated source. For now it seems to be speculation and it that's the case, we should be clear about it. Thanks Rossrs 07:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

New photo for Main page

Is there any chance of updating the main photo for this page to a post-cancer shot, maybe from the Homecoming tour? Peter2012

The main photo can only be changed if another free image can be found. So if you know of anyone who has attened one of Minogue's latest shows and is willing to have their photos displayed on Misplaced Pages then it can be changed. But until then, the current photo cannot be removed. -- Underneath-it-All 01:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone sneaked in "I mean, as if anyone cares. She's rich enough! "

Look in the subsection "Stock, Aitken and Waterman: 1987 – 1992", someone sneaked in the text quoted in this subject line. It does not show up in the edit box of the article. I guess it is some "creative" html or script coding. Can someone knowlegdeable take care of that? Is this type of hack widespread and does it have a name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.72.47.216 (talk) 17:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

Citations cleanup and re-evaluation

I noticed that the first half of the article was using in-line free-format citations, whereas the second half was using {{cite}} templates. I have started migrating all in-line citations towards using the {{cite}} templates, and will complete the task tomorrow (ish). My intention is to do a full review of all references soon. I have a nagging feeling that not all of them will stand up to close scrutiny, and that important pieces of information are lacking references altogether. Please share your thoughts on all of this. Thanks! --Plek 00:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record: I think that in-line citations (especially when using the cite templates) make for crappy editing as they break up the text flow, but I don't see a viable alternative. Please correct my hapless ignorance if I'm mistaken. --Plek 00:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have now completed the migration of all in-line references to {{cite}} templates. Almost all links were still alive, with the exception of #7: Transcript of television documentary Love Is In The Air. I couldn't find an alternative source, so I changed it to an archive.org link. I also corrected some LiMBO links and removed some duplicates. Everything should point to where it's supposed to, now.

Unfortunately, I do think that the references are not quite up to the current FA standards. "Back in the days," citations were mainly added after direct quotes, and the article is well-covered in that regard. However, nowadays it's expected to provide ample references to support the factual information in the article, and I think it comes up a bit short there (nothing too dramatic, but still lacking in some areas). As I don't want to pepper the text with {{fact}} tags, maybe we can decide in here which parts could use some references, and then set out to get them in place? Comments welcome. --Plek 20:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look through the article and see what I think we need to address. I agree with you, but I also think the main points that would need citing are those that could possibly be legitimately challenged and a lot of factual information is fairly innocuous. Another editor added about 25 "cite needed" tags several months ago. You'll see the comments further up in the discussion page. Some of the "cite needed" tags were added unnecessarily. Also, some of the paragraphs are covered completely by one cite at the end, which can make it appear that the first couple of sentences are not cited. I don't know how to solve that problem. Rossrs 21:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty. I'll see what you come up with. In the meantime, here are my ideas:

• The "Childhood/beginnings" part could get a cite, just to cover the basics.

Kylie:Confidential has some very detailed info. Also offers a different slant on the story of "successful TV actress stumbles accidentally into a singing career". The story according to Sean Smith : Seems Kylie and Dannii both wanted to be singers all along. Dannii, the more precocious of the two, becomes a major child-star (at least in Australia), while Kylie achieves some notability as "Dannii Minogue's older sister". She takes acting roles, and inspired by Dannii's success, finances two recording demos in 1985. They aren't successful but they catch the ear of a record producer, and by the time she famously takes the mic for a stirring rendition of "Locomotion" with other Neighbours casts members, she has been tutored and mentored by said record producer for more than a year, in anticipation of just such an opportunity. I wonder if we should expand this section by a short paragraph or so. The story of shy Kylie being coaxed into joining her cast-mates for a chorus of "Locomotion" is great showbusiness folk-lore but perhaps it's not entirely accurate. What do you think? Rossrs 10:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

(Why is it that these talk page discussions always turn into a typographical maze?) I think it might be an interesting peek into her early career and motivations, and something that could also shed some light on the relationship with her sister. Definitely worth more to the article than the odd bits of trivia that have been added here and there over the years. Still, I'm not too comfortable with relying on a single source, especially when it's a book that begins with a 10-page astrological chart (or whatever that is). Do you know of any independent sources that can confirm these stories? Also, I think the article is becoming a tad too long, so some pruning might be in order when expanding the "Early life" section. Just a thought. --Plek 21:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't know of any other sources and I've been looking, without success. I don't think it's a major omission. Perhaps it's just something to keep in mind in the event of us ever finding a credible source. Rossrs 12:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• The last two paragraphs of the SAW section
• The Deconstruction section: there is a lot of info here, but apart from the Towa Tei bit (and the direct quotes), citing is a bit light. The final two paragraphs of the section could do with one cite each.
• The high ratings of the Money Can't Buy TV special.
• Baker discussing her status as sex symbol.

I have a strong feeling that quote was once referenced and it's somehow been lost over time. I think it came from La La La. I'll have a look. Rossrs 08:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a cite. It was in the "Afterword" section of the 2003 paperback revised edition. Rossrs 09:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

• She has been acknowledged as the highest selling female recording artist in Australia and Europe of the period from her debut in 1987 to the present. The reference to this is an undated biography on All Music Guide. Doesn't that make the "to the present" bit somewhat unreliable?

It's a fairly bold claim isn't it? And without an excellent source it's somewhat excessive. Perhaps the article could survive with its removal? Rossrs 00:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if she's the best-selling female recording artist (henceforth known as "BSFRA") in Australia and in the UK. It should be possible to find some sources more authoritative than All Music Guide to settle that one. But all of Europe? Hmmm... I'd say doubtful. Madonna fans may be right in nerfing this statement for that (even though it's semantically correct). Do you know any good pan-European record sales statistics sources (short of adding up the numbers from all the national MAFIAA branches)? --Plek 01:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I don't but that's exactly what we need to find. I think Kylie may well be the BSFRA in Australia. She's always been particularly beloved and her records, even the bad ones ("Especially For You"), have done well. Madonna's chart performance has been more erratic. Often a high chart placing but a short chart run, but she's had several hugely successful singles too. Hard to say who would come out the winner in Australia. I would expect Madonna to be the BSFRA in the UK - she's had considerably more hits there and she's been more consistent. Anything with her name on it seems to go straight into the Top 5. I'd have no trouble believing Kylie is 2nd best selling in the UK, but I doubt she's the best-selling. I think we're on shakey ground with this one. Rossrs 08:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I find it a tad irksome that we only have the single "hardcopy" reference in "La La La". Are you perhaps familiar with the melodramatically titled "Kylie: Story of a Survivor" or "Kylie: The Biography"? I might just pick one of them up if they're any good. Cheers. --Plek 21:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't waste your money, Plek. I have the more luridly titled Kylie:Confidential also by Sean Smith. Same book maybe? I bought it in a bargain bin when we did the big rewrite on this and it was worth almost every cent of the $2.99 I paid for it. I'll dig it out and see if it contains anything useful. I think it's quite accurate but you have to get past the tabloidy gossipy style of it. Rossrs 00:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I recalled your "bargain bin" comment after I noticed Sean Smith was the author. Judging from the synopsis, it might just be an updated version of Kylie: Confidential. Into the garbage bin it goes, then. I might still order some semi-random Kylie books from Amazon as soon as I work my way through the (unrelated) reading backlog. --Plek 01:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

it may serve a purpose in the discussion of her childhood. La La La (if my memory is right) tends to skim over her childhood.

Misfit

Any room for a mention of Misfit, in which she mimes to a recording of a castrato? It's not typical of her regular stuff, but it's unusual enough to get a mention. Totnesmartin 20:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect info

Though I love Kylie to bits, the information in the intro is misguiding. yes, a newspaper article may say Kylie is the best-selling female artist in Europe, but newspaper articles should not be used for data in Encyclopoedias as they often tell lies. Madonna has benn certified by the IFPI (so nothing gets motre official) to have sold 80m albums alone in Europe (which means, about 120/130m betewwn albums and singles0> According to most sources, , including Misplaced Pages, Kylie has sold a worldwide total of 50-70million abetween albuums and singles. This does not even match Madonnas EU album tally, let alone her total. Also, Mina Mazzini has sold 64million records worldwide, aminly in Europe, an mainly albums, so, again, there is a problem here. hese are certified sales, not what newspaper articles say. You need to stick to official data if you want to write a credible encyclopoedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.80.195 (talk) 19:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

I have found that piece of information troublesome for quite some time now. So, I've removed it. Let's try to find some reliable sources first, before putting any statement about Euro-wide sales back in. If you know any, please list them. Thanks for your comment. --Plek 19:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ummm...?

Yeah, i'm not a Kylie Minogue fan, but i'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to be in the article...

"Kylie Ann Minogue (born May 28, 1968) is a dumb, talentless alleged performer. She cannot sing, dance or act. Or do anything of any note actually."

The Mischief Man 04:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, no, it's not exactly encyclopedic. I suspect she's done more of note than the person who made that edit, who probably can't sing, dance or act either, and whose biggest contribution to world culture to date is most likely some grammatically awkward internet vandalism. That's not a problem. It takes about 2 seconds to revert. Rossrs 07:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)