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You're going to help take down Enlightenedstranger0, right? Hate to say I told you so about Flyer22. Even if Enlightenedstranger0 isn't Flyer, I'll chase away everyone who do what she did on the site and make sure she has no chance to thrive, which should help the other side flourish. How do you like my attempt at a frame undertaking with , commenting at 20:30, 18 May 2022 when GBFEE only edited at 20:14, 18 May 2022 and not later in that hour like they usually do? This implicates Enlightenedstranger0 because they were the first to make the suggestion for the title change, and it implicates GBFEE because of the editing time. Brilliant, huh? It's on record that Flyer22 doesn't live in the area the 99.101.56.68 IP geolocates to, but it's good enough for me as long as someone can say Flyer22 made her way there with minimal effort, if they don't think of another brilliant explanation. By the way, how do you like the work is doing? When do you think they will make their way to transgender topics and articles that Flyer22 edited, the adolescence article notwithstanding? Stay tuned. ] (]) 13:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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Old stuff to resolve eventually

Cueless billiards

Unresolved – Can't get at the stuff at Ancestry; try using addl. cards.
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Categories are not my thing but do you think there are enough articles now or will be ever to make this necessary? Other than Finger billiards and possibly Carrom, what else is there?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Crud fits for sure. And if the variant in it is sourceable, I'm sure some military editor will fork it into a separate article eventually. I think at least some variants of bar billiards are played with hands and some bagatelle split-offs probably were, too (Shamos goes into loads of them, but I get them all mixed up, mostly because they have foreign names). And there's bocce billiards, article I've not written yet. Very fun game. Kept my sister and I busy for 3 hours once. Her husband (Air Force doctor) actually plays crud on a regular basis; maybe there's a connection. She beat me several times, so it must be from crud-playing. Hand pool might be its own article eventually. Anyway, I guess it depends upon your "categorization politics". Mine are pretty liberal - I like to put stuff into a logical category as long as there are multiple items for it (there'll be two as soon as you're done with f.b., since we have crud), and especially if there are multiple parent categories (that will be the case here), and especially especially if the split parallels the category structure of another related category branch (I can't think of a parallel here, so this criterion of mine is not a check mark in this case), and so on. A bunch of factors really. I kind of wallow in that stuff. Not sure why I dig the category space so much. Less psychodrama, I guess. >;-) In my entire time here, I can only think of maybe one categorization decision I've made that got nuked at CfD. And I'm a pretty aggressive categorizer, too; I totally overhauled Category:Pinball just for the heck of it and will probably do the same to Category:Darts soon.
PS: I'm not wedded to the "cueless billiards" name idea; it just seemed more concise than "cueless developments from cue sports" or whatever.— SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 11:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I have no "categorization politics". It's not an area that I think about a lot or has ever interested me so it's good there are people like you. If there is to be a category on this, "cueless billiards" seems fine to me. By the way, just posted Yank Adams as an adjunct to the finger billiards article I started.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Cool; I'd never even heard of him. This one looks like a good DYK; just the fact that there was Finger Billiards World Championship contention is funky enough, probably. You still citing that old version of Shamos? You really oughta get the 1999 version; it can be had from Amazon for cheap and has a bunch of updates. I actually put my old version in the recycle bin as not worth saving. Heh. PS: You seen Stein & Rubino 3rd ed.? I got one for the xmas before the one that just passed, from what was then a really good girlfriend. >;-) It's a-verra, verra nahce. Over 100 new pages, I think (mostly illustrations). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 13:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
If I happen to come across it in a used book store I might pick it up. There's nothing wrong with citing the older edition (as I've said to you before). I had not heard of Adams before yesterday either. Yank is apparently not his real name, though I'm not sure what it is yet. Not sure there will be enough on him to make a DYK (though don't count it out). Of course, since I didn't userspace it, I have 4½ days to see. Unfortunately, I don't have access to ancestry.com and have never found any free database nearly as useful for finding newspaper articles (and census, birth certificates, and reams of primary source material). I tried to sign up for a free trial again which worked once before, but they got smart and are logging those who signed up previously. I just looked; the new Stein and Rubino is about $280. I'll work from the 2nd edition:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... I haven't tried Ancestry in a while. They're probably logging IP addresses. That would definitely affect me, since mine doesn't change except once every few years. I guess that's what libraries and stuff are for. S&R: Should be available cheaper. Mine came with the Blue Book of Pool Cues too for under $200 total. Here it is for $160, plus I think the shipping was $25. Stein gives his e-mail address as that page. If you ask him he might give you the 2-book deal too, or direct you to where ever that is. Shamos: Not saying its an unreliable source (although the newer version actually corrected some entries), it's just cool because it has more stuff in it. :-) DYK: Hey, you could speedily delete your own article, sandbox it and come back. Heh. Seriously, I'll see if I can get into Ancestry again and look for stuff on him. I want to look for William Hoskins stuff anyway so I can finish that half of the Spinks/Hoskins story, which has sat in draft form for over a year. I get sidetracked... — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 14:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
It's not IPs they're logging, it's your credit card. You have to give them one in order to get the trial so that they can automatically charge you if you miss the cancellation deadline. Regarding the Blue Book, of all these books, that's the one that get's stale, that is, if you use it for actual quotes, which I do all the time, both for answer to questions and for selling, buying, etc. Yeah I start procrastinating too. I did all that work on Mingaud and now I can't get myself to go back. I also did reams of research on Hurricane Tony Ellin (thugh I found so little; I really felt bad when he died; I met him a few times, seemed like a really great guy), Masako Katsura and others but still haven't moved on them.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, the credit card. I'll have to see if the PayPal plugin has been updated to work with the new Firefox. If so, that's our solution - it generates a new valid card number every time you use it (they always feed from your single PayPal account). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 18:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
PayPal Plugin ist kaput. Some banks now issue credit card accounts that make use of virtual card numbers, but mine's not one of them. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 19:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. It was worth a shot. I signed up for a newspaperarchive.com three month trial. As far as newspaper results go it seems quite good so far, and the search interface is many orders of magnitude better than ancestry's, but it has none of the genealogical records that ancestry provides. With ancestry I could probably find census info on Yank as well as death information (as well as for Masako Katsura, which I've been working on it for a few days; she could actually be alive, though she'd be 96).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Sad...

How well forgotten some very well known people are. The more I read about Yank Adams, the more I realize he was world famous. Yet, he's almost completely unknown today and barely mentioned even in modern billiard texts.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Reading stuff from that era, it's also amazing how important billiards (in the three-ball sense) was back then, with sometimes multiple-page stories in newspapers about each turn in a long match, and so on. It's like snooker is today in the UK. PS: I saw that you found evidence of a billiards stage comedy there. I'd never heard of it! — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 15:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Jackpot. Portrait, diagrams, sample shot descriptions and more (that will also lend itself to the finger billiards article).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Nice find! — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 06:07, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Some more notes on Crystalate

Unresolved – New sources/material worked into article, but unanswered questions remain.
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Some more notes: they bought Royal Worcester in 1983 and sold it the next year, keeping some of the electronics part.; info about making records:; the chair in 1989 was Lord Jenkin of Roding:; "In 1880, crystalate balls made of nitrocellulose, camphor, and alcohol began to appear. In 1926, they were made obligatory by the Billiards Association and Control Council, the London-based governing body." Amazing Facts: The Indispensable Collection of True Life Facts and Feats. Richard B. Manchester - 1991wGtDHsgbtltnpBg&ct=result&id=v0m-h4YgKVYC&dq=%2BCrystalate; a website about crystalate and other materials used for billiard balls:No5 Balls.html. Fences&Windows 23:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll have to have a look at this stuff in more detail. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 15:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I've worked most of it in. Fences&Windows 16:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Cool! From what I can tell, entirely different parties held the trademark in different markets. I can't find a link between Crystalate Mfg. Co. Ltd. (mostly records, though billiard balls early on) and the main billiard ball mfr. in the UK, who later came up with "Super Crystalate". I'm not sure the term was even used in the U.S. at all, despite the formulation having been originally patented there. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 21:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:SAL

Unresolved – Not done yet, last I looked.
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No one has actually objected to the idea that it's really pointless for WP:SAL to contain any style information at all, other than in summary form and citing MOS:LIST, which is where all of WP:SAL's style advice should go, and SAL page should move back to WP:Stand-alone lists with a content guideline tag. Everyone who's commented for 7 months or so has been in favor of it. I'd say we have consensus to start doing it. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 13:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the page shortly. Thanks for the nudge. SilkTork 23:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

You post at Misplaced Pages talk:FAQ/Copyright

Unresolved – Need to fix William A. Spinks, etc., with proper balkline stats, now that we know how to interpret them.
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That page looks like a hinterland (you go back two users in the history and you're in August). Are you familiar with WP:MCQ? By the way, did you see my response on the balkline averages?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I did a bunch of archiving yesterday. This page was HUGE. It'll get there again. I'd forgotten MCQ existed. Can you please add it to the DAB hatnote at top of and "See also" at bottom of WP:COPYRIGHT? Its conspicuous absence is precisely why I ened up at Misplaced Pages talk:FAQ/Copyright! Haven't seen your balkline response yet; will go look. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 21:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hee Haw

Unresolved – Still need to propose some standards on animal breed article naming and disambiguation. In the intervening years, we've settled on natural not parenthetic disambiguation, and that standardized breeds get capitalized, but that's about it.
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Yeah, we did get along on Donkeys. And probably will get along on some other stuff again later. Best way to handle WP is to take it issue by issue and then let bygones be bygones. I'm finding some interesting debates over things like the line between a subspecies, a landrace and a breed. Just almost saw someone else's GA derailed over a "breed versus species" debate that was completely bogus, we just removed the word "adapt" and life would have been fine. I'd actually be interested in seeing actual scholarly articles that discuss these differences, particularly the landrace/breed issue in general, but in livestock in particular, and particularly as applied to truly feral/landrace populations (if, in livestock, there is such a thing, people inevitably will do a bit of culling, sorting and other interference these days). I'm willing to stick to my guns on the WPEQ naming issue, but AGF in all respects. Truce? Montanabw 22:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Truce, certainly. I'm not here to pick fights, just improve the consistency for readers and editors. I don't think there will be any scholarly articles on differences between landrace and breed, because there's nothing really to write about. Landrace has clear definitions in zoology and botany, and breed not only doesn't qualify, it is only established as true in any given case by reliable sources. Basically, no one anywhere is claiming "This is the Foobabaz horse, and it is a new landrace!" That wouldn't make sense. What is happening is people naming and declaring new alleged breeds on an entirely self-interested, profit-motive basis, with no evidence anyone other than the proponent and a few other experimental breeders consider it a breed. WP is full of should-be-AfD'd articles of this sort, like the cat one I successfully prod'ed last week. Asking for a reliable source that something is a landrace rather than a breed is backwards; landrace status is the default, not a special condition. It's a bit like asking for a scholarly piece on whether pig Latin is a real language or not; no one's going to write a journal paper about that because "language" (and related terms like "dialect", "language family", "creole" in the linguistic sense, etc.) have clear definitions in linguistics, while pig Latin, an entirely artificial, arbitrary, intentionally-managed form of communication (like an entirely artificial, arbitrary, intentionally managed form of domesticated animal) does not qualify. :-) The "what is a breed" question, which is also not about horses any more than cats or cavies or ferrets, is going to be a separate issue to resolve from the naming issue. Looking over what we collaboratively did with donkeys – and the naming form that took, i.e. Poitou donkey not Poitou (donkey), I think I'm going to end up on your side of that one. It needs to be discussed more broadly in an RFC, because most projects use the parenthetical form, because this is what WT:AT is most readily interpretable as requiring. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 00:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I hate the drama of an RfC, particularly when we can just look at how much can be naturally disambiguated, but if you think it's an actual issue, I guess ping me when it goes up. As for landcraces, it may be true ("clear definitions") but you would be doing God's (or someone's) own good work if you were to improve landrace which has few references, fewer good ones, and is generally not a lot of help to those of us trying to sort out WTF a "landrace" is... (smiles). As for breed, that is were we disagree: At what point do we really have a "breed" as opposed to a "landrace?" Fixed traits, human-selected? At what degree, at which point? How many generations? I don't even know if there IS such a thing as a universal definition of what a "breed" is: seriously: or breed or . I think you and I agree that the Palomino horse can never be a "breed" because it is impossible for the color to breed true (per an earlier discussion) so we have one limit. But while I happen agree to a significant extent with your underlying premise that when Randy from Boise breeds two animals and says he has created a new breed and this is a problem, (I think it's a BIG problem in the worst cases) but if we want to get really fussy, I suppose that the aficionados of the Arabian horse who claim the breed is pure from the dawn of time are actually arguing it is a landrace, wouldn't you say? And what DO we do with the multi-generational stuff that's in limbo land? Montanabw 00:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not really certain what the answers are to any of those questions, another reason (besides your "STOP!" demands :-) that I backed away rapidly from moving any more horse articles around. But it's something that is going to have to be looked into. I agree that the Landrace article here is poor. For one thing, it needs to split Natural breed out into its own article (a natural breed is a selectively-bred formal breed the purpose of which is to refine and "lock-in" the most definitive qualities of a local landrace). This in turn isn't actually the same thing as a traditional breed, though the concepts are related. Basically, three breeding concepts are squished into one article. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 00:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Side comment: I tend to support one good overview article over three poor content forks, just thinking aloud... Montanabw 23:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Sure; the point is that the concepts have to be separately, clearly treated, because they are not synonymous at all. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 02:07, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Given that the article isn't well-sourced yet, I think that you might want to add something about that to landrace now, just to give whomever does article improvement on it later (maybe you, I think this is up your alley!) has the "ping" to do so. Montanabw 21:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Aye, it's on my to-do list. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 22:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Although I have been an evolutionary biologist for decades, I only noticed the term "landrace" within the past year or two (in reference to corn), because I work with wildland plants. But I immediately knew what it was, from context. I'm much less certain about breeds, beyond that I am emphatic that they are human constructs. Montanabw and I have discussed my horse off-wiki, and from what I can tell, breeders are selecting for specific attributes (many people claim to have seen a horse "just like him"), but afaik there is no breed "Idaho stock horse". Artificially-selected lineages can exist without anyone calling them "breeds"; I'm not sure they would even be "natural breeds", and such things are common even within established breeds (Montanabw could probably explain to us the difference between Polish and Egyptian Arabians).
The good thing about breeds wrt Misplaced Pages is that we can use WP:RS and WP:NOTABLE to decide what to cover. Landraces are a different issue: if no one has ever called a specific, distinctive, isolated mustang herd a landrace, is it OR for Misplaced Pages to do so?--Curtis Clark (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I have been reluctant to use landrace much out of a concern that the concept is a bit OR, as I hadn't heard of it before wikipedia either (but I'm more a historian than an evolutionary biologist, so what do I know?): Curtis, any idea where this did come from? It's a useful concept, but I am kind of wondering where the lines are between selective breeding and a "natural" breed -- of anything. And speaking of isolated Mustang herds, we have things like Kiger Mustang, which is kind of interesting. I think that at least some of SMc's passion comes from the nuttiness seen in a lot of the dog and cat breeders these days, am I right? I mean, Chiweenies? Montanabw 23:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The first use of the word that I saw referred to different landraces of corn growing in different elevations and exposures in indigenous Maya areas of modern Mexico. I haven't tracked down the references for the use of the word, but the concept seems extremely useful. My sense is that landraces form as much through natural selective processes of cultivation or captivity as through human selection, so that if the "garbage wolf" hypothesis for dog domestication is true, garbage wolves would have been a landrace (or more likely several, in different areas). One could even push the definition and say that MRSA is a landrace. But I don't have enough knowledge of the reliable sources to know how all this would fit into Misplaced Pages.--Curtis Clark (talk) 01:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Landraces form, primarily and quickly, through mostly natural selection, long after domestication. E.g. the St Johns water dog and Maine Coon cat are both North American landraces that postdate European arrival on the continent. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 20:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I see some potential for some great research on this and a real improvement to the articles in question. Montanabw 21:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Yep. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 20:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Redundant sentence?

Unresolved – Work to integrate WP:NCFLORA and WP:NCFAUNA stuff into MOS:ORGANISMS not completed yet? Seems to be mostly done, other than fixing up the breeds section, after that capitalization RfC a while back.
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The sentence at MOS:LIFE "General names for groups or types of organisms are not capitalized except where they contain a proper name (oak, Bryde's whales, rove beetle, Van cat)" is a bit odd, since the capitalization would (now) be exactly the same if they were the names of individual species. Can it simply be removed?

There is an issue, covered at Misplaced Pages:PLANTS#The use of botanical names as common names for plants, which may or may not be worth putting in the main MOS, namely cases where the same word is used as the scientific genus name and as the English name, when it should be de-capitalized. I think this is rare for animals, but more common for plants and fungi (although I have seen "tyrannosauruses" and similar uses of dinosaur names). Peter coxhead (talk) 09:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

  1. I would leave it a alone for now; let people get used to the changes. I think it's reasonable to include the "general names" thing, because it's a catch-all that includes several different kinds of examples, that various largely different groups of people are apt to capitalize. Various know-nothings want to capitalize things like "the Cats", the "Great Apes", etc., because they think "it's a Bigger Group and I like to Capitalize Big Important Stuff". There are millions more people who just like to capitalize nouns and stuff. "Orange's, $1 a Pound". Next we have people who insist on capitalizing general "types" and landraces of domestic animals ("Mountain Dogs", "Van Cat") because they're used to formal breed names being capitalized (whether to do that with breeds here is an open question, but it should not be done with types/classes of domestics, nor with landraces. Maybe the examples can be sculpted better: "the roses", "herpesviruses", "great apes", "Bryde's whale", "mountain dogs", "Van cat", "passerine birds". I'm not sure that "rove beetle" and "oak" are good examples of anything. Anyway, it's more that the species no-capitalization is a special case of the more general rule, not that the general rule is a redundant or vague version of the former. If they're merged, it should keep the general examples, and maybe specifically spell out and illustrate that it also means species and subspecies, landraces and domestic "types", as well as larger and more general groupings.
  2. I had noticed that point and was going to add it, along with some other points from both NCFLORA and NCFAUNA, soon to MOS:ORGANISMS, which I feel is nearing "go live" completion. Does that issue come up often enough to make it a MOS mainpage point? I wouldn't really object to it, and it could be had by adding an "(even if it coincides with a capitalized Genus name)" parenthetical to the "general names" bit. The pattern is just common enough in animals to have been problematic if it were liable to be problematic, as it were. I.e., I don't see a history of squabbling about it at Lynx or its talk page, and remember looking into this earlier with some other mammal, about two weeks ago, and not seeing evidence of confusion or editwarring. The WP:BIRDS people were actually studiously avoiding that problem; I remember seeing a talk page discussion at the project that agreed that such usage shouldn't be capitalized ever. PS: With Lynx, I had to go back to 2006, in the thick of the "Mad Capitalization Epidemic" to find capitalization there, and it wasn't even consistent, just in the lead.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅ᴥⱷ≼  11:11, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
  1. Well, certainly "rove beetle" and "oak" are poor examples here, so I would support changing to some of the others you suggested above.
  2. I think the main problem we found with plants was it being unclear as to whether inexperienced editors meant the scientific name or the English name. So you would see a sentence with e.g. "Canna" in the middle and not know whether this should be corrected to "Canna" or to "canna". The plural is clear; "cannas" is always lower-case non-italicized. The singular is potentially ambiguous. Whether it's worth putting this point in the main MOS I just don't know since I don't much edit animal articles and never breed articles, which is why I asked you. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
  1. Will take a look at that later, if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
  2. Beats me. Doesn't seem too frequent an issue, but lot of MOS stuff isn't. Definitely should be in MOS:ORGANISMS, regardless.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅ᴥⱷ≼  00:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Worked on both of those a bit at MOS. We'll see if it sticks.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅ᴥⱷ≼  01:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Note to self on WP:WikiProject English language

Unresolved – I think I did MOST of this already ...
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Finish patching up WP:WikiProject English language with the stuff from User:SMcCandlish/WikiProject English Language, and otherwise get the ball rolling.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅ᴥⱷ≼  20:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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Somehow, I forget quite how, I came across this - that is an excellent summary of the distinctions. I often get confused over those, and your examples were very clear. Is something like that in the general MoS/citation documentation? Oh, and while I am here, what is the best way to format a citation to a page of a document where the pages are not numbered? All the guidance I have found says not to invent your own numbering by counting the pages (which makes sense), but I am wondering if I can use the 'numbering' used by the digitised form of the book. I'll point you to an example of what I mean: the 'book' in question is catalogued here (note that is volume 2) and the digitised version is accessed through a viewer, with an example of a 'page' being here, which the viewer calls page 116, but there are no numbers on the actual book pages (to confuse things further, if you switch between single-page and double-page view, funny things happen to the URLs, and if you create and click on a single-page URL the viewer seems to relocate you one page back for some reason). Carcharoth (talk) 19:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: Thanks. I need to copy that into an essay page. As far as I know, the concepts are not clearly covered in any of those places, nor clearly enough even at Help:CS1 (which is dense and overlong as it is). The e-book matters bear some researching. I'm very curious whether particular formats (Nook, etc.) paginate consistently between viewers. For Web-accessible ones, I would think that the page numbering that appears in the Web app is good enough if it's consistent (e.g., between a PC and a smart phone) when the reader clicks the URL in the citation. I suppose one could also use |at= to provide details if the "page" has to be explained in some way. I try to rely on better-than-page-number locations when possible, e.g. specific entries in dictionaries and other works with multiple entries per page (numbered sections in manuals, etc.), but for some e-books this isn't possible – some are just continuous texts. One could probably use something like |at=in the paragraph beginning "The supersegemental chalcolithic metastasis is ..." about 40% into the document, in a pinch. I guess we do need to figure this stuff out since such sources are increasingly common.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅ᴥⱷ≼  20:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes (about figuring out how to reference e-books), though I suspect existing (non-WP) citation styles have addressed this already (no need to re-invent the wheel). This is a slightly different case, though. It is a digitisation of an existing (physical) book that has no page numbers. If I had the book in front of me (actually, it was only published as a single copy, so it is not a 'publication' in that traditional sense of many copies being produced), the problem with page numbers would still exist. I wonder if the 'digital viewer' should be thought of as a 'via' thingy? In the same way that (technically) Google Books and archive.org digital copies of old books are just re-transmitting, and re-distributing the material (is wikisource also a 'via' sort of thing?). Carcharoth (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Carcharoth: Ah, I see. I guess I would treat it as a |via=, and same with WikiSource, which in this respect is essentially like Google Books or Project Gutenberg. I think your conundrum has come up various times with arXiv papers, that have not been paginated visibly except in later publication (behind a journal paywall and not examined). Back to the broader matter: Some want to treat WikiSource and even Gutenberg as republishers, but I think that's giving them undue editorial credit and splitting too fine a hair. Was thinking on the general unpaginated and mis-paginated e-sources matter while on the train, and came to the conclusion that for a short, unpaginated work with no subsections, one might give something like |at=in paragraph 23, and for a much longer one use the |at=in the paragraph beginning "..." trick. A straight up |pages=82–83 would work for an e-book with hard-coded meta-data pagination that is consistent between apps/platforms and no visual pagination. On the other hand, use the visual pagination in an e-book that has it, even if it doesn't match the e-book format's digital pagination, since the pagination in the visual content would match that of a paper copy; one might include a note that the pagination is that visible in the content if it conflicts with what the e-book reader says (this comes up a lot with PDFs, for one thing - I have many that include cover scans, and the PDF viewers treat that as p. 1, then other front matter as p. 2, etc., with the content's p. 1 being something like PDF p. 7).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅ᴥⱷ≼  08:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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Unresolved – Go fix the WP:FOO shortcuts to MOS:FOO ones, to match practice at other MoS pages. This only applies to the MoS section there; like WP:SAL, part of that page is also a content guideline that should not have MOS: shortcuts.
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You had previously asked that protection be lowered on WP:MEDMOS which was not done at that time. I have just unprotected the page and so if you have routine update edits to make you should now be able to do so. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:42, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't remember what it was, but maybe it'll come back to me.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Now I remember.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Ooh...potential WikiGnoming activity...

Unresolved – Do some of this when I'm bored?
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@SMcCandlish:

I stumbled upon Category:Editnotices whose targets are redirects and there are ~100 pages whose pages have been moved, but the editnotices are still targeted to the redirect page. Seems like a great, and sort of fun, WikiGnoming activity for a template editor such as yourself. I'd do it, but I'm not a template editor. Not sure if that's really your thing, though. ;-)

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Argh. I would've hoped some bot fixed that kind of stuff. I'll consider it, but it's a lot of work for low benefit (the page names may be wrong, but the redirs still get there), and it's been my experience that a lot of editnotices (especially in mainspace) are PoV-pushing crap that needs to be deleted anyway.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:20, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to pass for the nonce, Dmehus. Working on some other project (more fun than WP is sometimes). I'll let it sit here with {{Unresolved}} on it, in case I get inspired to work on it some, but it might be a long time.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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Now this

Unresolved – Breed disambiguation again ...
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Not sure the ping went through, so noting here. Just spotted where a now-blocked user moved a bunch of animal breed articles back to parenthetical disambiguation from natural disambiguation. As they did it in October and I'm only catching it now, I only moved back two just in case there was some kind of consensus change. The equine ones are definitely against project consensus, the rest are not my wheelhouse but I'm glad to comment. Talk:Campine_chicken#Here_we_go_again. Montanabw 20:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Montanabw: Argh. Well, this is easy to fix with a request to mass-revert undiscussed moves, at the subsection for that at WP:RMTR. Some admin will just fix it all in one swoop. While I have the PageMover bit, and could do it myself as a technical possibility, I would run afoul of WP:INVOLVED in doing so.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@Montanabw: Did this get fixed yet? If not, I can look into it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)




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Can you explain to me were you are getting your information from that McCandless is a name of Scottish origin? The first recorded instance of the surname McCandless I can find in the Scottish census records is from 1861. And it is one single instance. The name McCandless and its derivatives have been in use from 1000 years prior in Ireland. The only places I can find online that claims it to be a name of Scottish origin are the kinds of websites that sell Scottish tat and fake tartans and coats of arms to Americans. The earliest form of McCandless available in the Irish census records is from the 1831 census and there's 12 recorded instances, mostly from the Coleraine area. I'm descended from those McCandless's. With the earliest example of the name being an Irish abbot, how is it a name of Scottish origin? If anything, it was a name taken to Scotland with the movement of people between the kingdom of Dal Riada and onwards (and I still live in a place that was part of Dal Riada). I have found absolutely no evidence to confirm that the name is in anyway a name of Scottish origin. Its.bjallenby (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Its.bjallenby: This is a whole lot of stuff to cover. I'm going to break it down into numbered points.
  1. I don't consider the McCandless (surname) article to be "finished". It needs a lot of work on both Scottish and Irish sourcing (including sources mentioned below). That is mostly done in libraries (and genealogy libraries at that), not online. Most of the sources are not going to be found online. However, the fact that you can find weak sources online doesn't tell us anything about the strength of other sources, online or not, nor about the nature of the claim. Anyway, I will get to it over time, but have been working on the Ó Cuindlis article first.
  2. The main source for this sort of thing on the Scottish side is Black, George F. (1946). The Surnames of Scotland: Their Origin, Meaning, and History. New York Public Library. pp. 131, 464. It uses much more than census records. The name, under numerous anglicized spellings, is common to at least as early as the 17th century in Wigtownshire and thereabouts. This was during the extended Plantation of Ulster, leading into the Lowland Clearances, and pre-dating the Jacobite Risings and the Highland Clearances, all of which are events that pushed Scots into Ulster (mostly what is now Northern Ireland).
  3. The exact spelling McCandless and close variants like McCandles, McCanless, McAndless are best regarded as Scots-Irish, i.e. as both Scottish and Northern Irish. We don't have any reason to think the Gaelic patronymic form wasn't in use throughout this whole area going back to Dál Riata (I think that's a point we agree on), since the given name dates back to at least the 8th century. However, we don't have any secondary sources making this point explicitly. The closest we get is Black saying that the Gaelic patronymic forms like mac Cuindlis and mac Cuindleas would have first been used in Ireland. Black's point doesn't in any way prove continual use of it in the exact McCandless form in Ireland. It's probable but not proven. It's also certain that McCandless in particular was re-imported to N. Ir. from Scotland, whether it had already been in use in N. Ir. or not.
  4. Aside: None of these "Mc" shenanigans appear to relate in any way to the history of Ó Cuindlis and its anglicized derivates (Conlisk, Cundlish, Quinlisk, etc.) in Connacht. After 30-odd years of researching this stuff I can't find a single shred of proof they are the same family. They're unrelated families that both had progenitors named Cuindles or some variant of it. (And for that matter, there's no proof all the McCandless, McCandlish, McAndless, McCanleis, etc., etc. families are directly related either; for all we know there might have been 5 or more Cuindlis fellows whose mac Cuindlis patronymic sons later gave rise to Mc surnames, but this isn't a discussion for Misplaced Pages.)
  5. The main sources on the Irish side for surname stuff are:
    MacLysaght, Edward (1997) . The Surnames of Ireland (6th ed.). Dublin: Irish Academic Press. pp. 35, 36, 252.
    Woulfe, Patrick (1922). Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall – Irish Names and Surnames. Vol. II. Dublin: M. H. Gill & Son. pp. 68, 91, 93. (The 1923 edition would be better, but I have yet to get my hands on it.)
    They both record the existence of McCandless in Ulster without any dating of it historically. By contrast, the history of Ó Cuindlis is well known to the 14th century. Neither source precludes McCandless having been largely imported to N. Ir. from Scotland (nor it having pre-existed in N. Ir.; we simply don't know).
  6. To the extent you're trying to come up with an "origin theory" based on your own census-record digging, you are engaging in WP:Original research (as well as just repeating a fraction of research already done by Black, MacLysaght, and Woulfe). FWIW, my own theory is that the name was in use in both Scotland and Ireland in some overlapping anglicized forms like "McCandless" since anglicisation began, but it will take more research, and may just be unprovable. It's also pretty well-established by genealogy projects that many of the North American McCandlesses (the largest extant group of them) are from N. Ir. yet trace back further to Scotland, some in great detail. I'm skeptical these are good enough sources for WP, however, even those published in book form.
  7. Your 1831 is long after the Plantantion of Ulster and all those other events, so is not evidentiary of origin.
  8. You are mixing up old Gaelic patronymics and modern anglicised surnames. The statement "The name McCandless and its derivatives have been in use from 1000 years prior in Ireland" is just patently false. Gaelic patronymics like mac Cuindlis and dynastics like Ó Cuindlis have been in use throughout the Gaelic-speaking world for 1000+ years, inclucing Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man. This tells us nothing about where and when particular anglicised spellings (which have only been around for a few hundred years, and which were often treated as interchangable for several centuries) arose, and what the relationships between them are.
  9. You are also mixing up personal and family names. The existence of the Gaelic given name Cuindles in Ireland since the 8th c. is meaningless in this discussion. All Gaelic names first arose in Ireland, by definition, since Gaelic spread from Ireland to Scotland and IoM, not the other way around. (Names unique to Scotland and unattested in Ireland are of Norse, Anglo-Saxon, or other origin and are not natively Gaelic.) This tells us nothing about when and where a particular anglicisation of a post-patronymics surname appeared.
  10. Coleraine doesn't even faintly surprise me. It's firmly within the area of the Plantion of Ulster, and is right on the cusp of early private colonisation efforts and subsequent official plantation, so it may well have been Scot-colonized twice back-to-back. That said, none of the major sources on surnames in Ireland say anything about Coleraine in particular, so you again appear to be engaging in original research. (It may well be entirely correct in finding a family cluster of McCandlesses in Coleraine, but reliable secondary sources are not telling us this.)
  11. In short, you are confusing "McCandless is a surname of Scotland and Northern Ireland" for a claim that "Cuindles is a name of Scottish origin", but those two claims have nothing in common, and the second cannot logically be derived from the first (and is not correct, while the first clearly is).
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

The existence of the name Cuindles in Ireland since the 8th century is highly relevant when "Mac Cuindleas" is derived from it. Monastery towns were population centres and abbots were marrying and having children during those times. Relatives and descendants of Cuindles would have used his and variations of his name. Clonmacnoise was just one of many large Monastery settlements across Ireland. Unless you've got a Scottish Cuindlis spiderman meme pointing at the Irish one, the name and all the derivatives of it, regardless of what you claim, with the evidence we do actually have is of Irish origin. But clearly I've pissed in a pot I shouldn't have and I really couldn't be bothered arguing the fucking toss about it. Its.bjallenby (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I've already addressed all this above. In short, we know that Cuindles and variants of this given name were used among Gaelic speakers since the 8th century. We also know that patronymics were used since before that time and up to the early modern era (throughout Gaeldom, including both Ireland and Scotland). And we also know that these were rather randomly anglicized over the last several hundred years and became non-patronymic surnames. We have no idea where the specific anglicization "McCandless" first appeared or when. We have reliable sources putting it in Ulster and in Scotland from the early modern period onward, and we have earlier data for Scotland than for N. Ir., plus what amounted to a long-term Scottish invasion of N. Ir. Our article doesn't even go into that, nor the fact that we actually have no evidence of "McCandless" as a specific spelling existing in Ireland at all until after the Plantation. Rather than go in circles with you again, I'm going to just address the elephant in the room: you're clearly bothered by Scotland being mentioned at the article at all, yet Black (1946) establishes that it's correct, just as MacLysaght and Woulfe show it also correct for N. Ir. The matter has simply been sourced beyond anyone's ability to sweep Scotland under the rug or otherwise engage in a false dichtomy. The article itself needs all these sources directly in it, and I'll get to it when I'm done with Ó Cuindlis.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, SMcCandlish. I noticed that when you took part in Template talk:Committed identity topicon#RfC 8 January 2022, that your signature does not conform to WP:SIGIMAGE. It is not my job to enforce the no images in signature policy, nor will I forward this matter. I just wanted to let you know in case someone else raises an issue over it. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 19:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Update: Confused that your signature passed the Signatures check tool, I found my answer at User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)#Help with signatures: your images are considered Unicode characters. Please disregard my message; sorry about that. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

No worries.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

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Kelly Zhang

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Hi SMcCandlish, hope you've been well since we last spoke. I've created a userspace draft for Kelly Zhang, the CEO of ByteDance China, and was hoping you could take a look and move the draft to mainspace if it looks ready to you. I'm fairly certain she passes WP:GNG, and I avoided using promotional language, but just to be safe, I would rather an uninvolved editor like you be the one performing the move. Thank you! JatBD (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@JatBD: I did minor cleanup on it, but someone who reads Chinese should give it a once-over to make sure the sources agree with what's being said in the article. Maybe ask at WP:WikiProject China.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi again SMcCandlish. Since CWH has vetted the Chinese sources, would you mind moving the draft to mainspace when you get a chance? Thanks, JatBD (talk) 20:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
@JatBD: Needs appropriate categories added first. Can be done inside an HTML-comment block to prevent live categorization of a userspace draft.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:13, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
@JatBD: I added some core categories but some additional would be good, if more information can be found (city, university, etc.). I moved the article to mainspace, as Kelly Zhang, and made her name a link in the ByteDance infobox.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! I've added one more category, though I was unable to find any more information on Zhang's hometown or university. I'm also checking internally to see if there is a suitable image owned by ByteDance that can be published under a free license. Thanks for your help, JatBD (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hey there! Thought I'd message you about some concerns of mine regarding the lack of neutrality on the be-tarask Misplaced Pages. I noticed you'd been active on the Belarus WikiProject relatively recently so thought this may be of interest to you.

Currently, its article on Alexander Lukashenko says in part:

Alexander Lukashenko ... is the head of the Russian occupation administration, a puppet, pro-Russian, authoritarian leader of Belarus who holds power by rigging elections and terrorizing Belarusians with financial, military, and informational support from Russia. ... On April 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin mentioned Belarus in the context of an alleged FSB attempt to overthrow the Lukashenko regime as a Russian-controlled territory in which Russia would determine what was a coup and what was not.

(At least, according to Google Translate). A similar descriptor is given on the "Lukashenko regime" article (which also exists in Ukrainian, but seems to use more neutral language).

There also appears to be a "Russian occupation of Belarus" article (does not exist in any other language, including standard Belarusian), which says:

The Russian occupation of Belarus is the de facto Russian occupation of Belarus, an open demonstration of which took place on February 24, 2022, when the Russian invasion of Ukraine took place, including from the territory of Belarus. The Russian occupation administration is a puppet regime of Lukashenko, its head is the proclaimed "president" Alexander Lukashenko. One of the main measures taken by the Russian authorities (the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation) and its occupation administrations at different times is the continuous violent Russification of Belarusians. The term "Russian occupation of Belarus" first appeared in the autumn of 1917.

This seems to be promoting false histories and original research (Lukashenko is pro-Russian and democracy doesn't really exist in the country, but it is not an "occupation" in the conventional sense, and the link to 1917 appears novel).

These are just two that caught my eye. I don't know whether this is limited to a few articles, or whether it is a more ingrained issue of ideological bias on the Taraškievica wiki in a similar vein to the Croatian Misplaced Pages situation. Notably, Taraškievica is spoken by the Belarusian diaspora, who I suspect are statistically more likely to be anti-regime. —AFreshStart (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't speak any of the relevant languages, and am not in position to help "police" the content over there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for improving articles in March. Music if you like. Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Azov Battalion

I have started a discussion in which you may care to comment at ] Cheers Elinruby (talk) 02:19, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't have anything to add that's not been said by others, from what I can tell.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Huzzah!

Portal:Cue sports is back, new and improved compared to the old version. The Portal:Cue sports/Selected articles page could use more entries, so if you're into it, feel free to add articles there. Cheers, North America 09:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: What sort of criteria do you have in mind? I see that GA and FA pages already have their own sections in the portal.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
It may be all right now. I added more articles, including many more bio articles to the Selected article section. At any rate, if you know of something that must be there, but isn't, then you could add to the Selected articles page. After all, you're the hustler, not me. North America 22:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Hi! Great work on this - I'm completely unsure how portals work (I think I'm a little too new for that), but I saw today that Parapivot showed up on the Did you know lists. Not really a cue sports thing - any idea why it appeared? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski 21:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
    If you mean it showed up in the DYK part of the portal, no idea. It's not in any cue sports categories, so I'm not sure what would get it into the portal's list. If you mean on the front page DKY, that's controlled by the WP:DYK process.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Happy April Fool's Day! Thanks for your contributions to improve the dissemination of free knowledge to humanity! North America 15:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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Help with new infobox.

Hi! I'm trying to make an infobox, and the Wikiproject infobox doesn't seem terribly active. Looking through the list of members, you seemed a reasonable person to bug at random. Sorry. :)

My draft infobox is here: User:PianoDan/Infobox particle accelerator

I've posted it for comment at the Physics wikiproject, and made some changes based on feedback there, but I'm unsure of next steps. WP:IB/Proposed seems to be defunct.

So, assuming the general concept of a particle accelerator infobox makes sense, (it does to ME, but that may not be dispositive) I need to figure out how to do the following, and in what order:

  • Add categories to the infobox, without accidentally adding something in my personal space to lists of categories before moving it into general space.
  • Add coordinates to the examples and the template, without causing the same problem. (cough, again, cough)
  • Move the thing into the general space.
  • Other things that I don't even know I don't know.

Thanks for any help you may have time to provide! PianoDan (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Commenting here based on this edit summary (the diff itself fixed your coord issue) - I've moved the ib to the template space (I agree that it's pretty much good to go). As far as cats go, they should be added to the /doc (as it says in the commented-out note) - at the bottom you'll see a {{sandbox other}} call - categories go in there. Primefac (talk) 18:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Plural vs singular article names

Hey, is there a guideline about singular vs plural article titles? I'm pretty sure Gusans should just be 'Gusan' since it was a role (like Troubadour). I don't know that this would even be controversial, so perhaps a formal RM isn't necessary? Not sure. Best – Aza24 (talk) 00:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Aza24: Yes, it should be singular, per WP:SINGULAR. We use plurals for things that are almost exclusively named plural in format (scissors, trousers), and for certain other classes of things, like ethnicities and nationalities (when "Foo people" doesn't work), because the article is about them en masse (Semitic people, Aztecs); and in such a case we prefer the singular form when it is also more commonly used as the plural than a -s or -es plural that is also attested (thus Navajo even though "Navajos" is also found in sources). This plurality does not generalize to other things, like occupations and the like (troubadour, astronomer, hero, viscount), or plants/animals (Douglas fir, cougar, Siamese cat). Anyway, gusans is clearly against WP:SINGULAR so should be proposed for a move to something like gusan (occupation) – Gusan being a disambiguation page already, and this topic not being the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for that name (doesn't look like there is one, or that page would be at Gusan (disambiguation)).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for all of this. I'm not even sure if 'gusan' is the most common spelling. I didn't even know the article existed because I was so used to the "gosan" spelling. It appears that in Persia it is referred to as 'gosan' but is 'gusan' in Armenia. Hmm... I will have to look further. Aza24 (talk) 22:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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ByteDance Controversies section

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April

April songs

Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for improving articles in April - what do you think about Birtwistle? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream the composer looks better than when I wrote last. I wonder if you might be the right person to question the 2010 ban of infoboxes by one project which was cited in the discussion. I'm too involved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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"This is not LeftistsOnlyPedia"

Fully agree; thanks for such a concise comment. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

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University of Wisconsin System dashes

Any thoughts on the en-dashes used in University of Wisconsin System, and in the titles of the linked articles? (I also wonder if "System" should be lowercase.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@BarrelProof: Better dashes than hyphens, I would think. "University of Wisconsin System" seems to be its statorily-determined proper name, and "System" for this strongly dominates in the source material .  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree about hyphens, but I would be more inclined to spaced en dashes than unspaced ones, or a comma or space instead, as with the University of California or University of Washington campuses. An unspaced en dash seems like a conjoining, which is not what these are. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Universities are all over the map on how they do this: University of Foo, Bar; University of Foo Bar; University of Foo–Bar; University of Foo - Bar; University of Foo at Bar; University of Foo, Bar Campus; etc., etc. 'Snot a hill I would die on. There's no way to ngrams-test this, since Google's ngram viewer doesn't handle dashes. But I guess you could look through news materials and try to see whether space-dash-space is common, and if so propose a move to that format for clarity's sake.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Dicklyon may have already looked into this before.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the responses. I was just looking around for examples of dashed and hyphenated university/college names for purposes of the ongoing discussion at Talk:Heriot-Watt University #‎Requested move 8 May 2022, and I bumped into these unusual ones. Two similar examples have already been mentioned in that discussion – Lenoir–Rhyne University and Randolph–Macon College. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
That's a very different thing. In UW–Green Bay, it's not two parallel names, but some kind of "subtitle" relationship that colleges use for campuses. You almost always see it with spaced or unspaced hyphen, which suggests that unspaced dash might be OK in our style, but I agree that spaced dash might be more sensible. Personally, I'd prefer to just put a space and leave out the dash, as some do. But maybe it's better to let this one lie. And for lowercasing "System", maybe; depends on whether sources cap consistently, and I haven't looked. Dicklyon (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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On our side now?

You're going to help take down Enlightenedstranger0, right? Hate to say I told you so about Flyer22. Even if Enlightenedstranger0 isn't Flyer, I'll chase away everyone who do what she did on the site and make sure she has no chance to thrive, which should help the other side flourish. How do you like my attempt at a frame undertaking with 99.101.56.68, commenting at 20:30, 18 May 2022 when GBFEE only edited at 20:14, 18 May 2022 and not later in that hour like they usually do? This implicates Enlightenedstranger0 because they were the first to make the suggestion for the title change, and it implicates GBFEE because of the editing time. Brilliant, huh? It's on record that Flyer22 doesn't live in the area the 99.101.56.68 IP geolocates to, but it's good enough for me as long as someone can say Flyer22 made her way there with minimal effort, if they don't think of another brilliant explanation. By the way, how do you like the work Panthermail is doing? When do you think they will make their way to transgender topics and articles that Flyer22 edited, the adolescence article notwithstanding? Stay tuned. JaztoSM (talk) 13:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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