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I'm a little concerned by these edits: , , , , , , . I suggest you read Misplaced Pages's policy on canvassing editors in a dispute at ]. I have no idea on what basis you selected these editors but your message was clearly partisan. An edit summary of "HELP!" accompanying a message inviting people to "voice your disgust at NAMBLA being included as an LGBT organisation" is not salvaged by adding "if you believe that this is indeed an LGBT organisation, then you're welcome to voice that opinion". The indication of which option you prefer in those terms makes it clearly partisan. In addition, any editor's "disgust" is completely irrelevant. The question (expressed neutrally) was whether a group disowned by a majority of LGBT organization should nonetheless be categorized as a LGBT organization by Misplaced Pages. That question can be considered in the abstract without becoming emotive about NAMBLA's controversial agenda. In future I would suggest a more neutral forum for soliciting other opinions such as a ] or a ].<span style="font-family: Verdana">]]</span> 00:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC) I'm a little concerned by these edits: , , , , , , . I suggest you read Misplaced Pages's policy on canvassing editors in a dispute at ]. I have no idea on what basis you selected these editors but your message was clearly partisan. An edit summary of "HELP!" accompanying a message inviting people to "voice your disgust at NAMBLA being included as an LGBT organisation" is not salvaged by adding "if you believe that this is indeed an LGBT organisation, then you're welcome to voice that opinion". The indication of which option you prefer in those terms makes it clearly partisan. In addition, any editor's "disgust" is completely irrelevant. The question (expressed neutrally) was whether a group disowned by a majority of LGBT organization should nonetheless be categorized as a LGBT organization by Misplaced Pages. That question can be considered in the abstract without becoming emotive about NAMBLA's controversial agenda. In future I would suggest a more neutral forum for soliciting other opinions such as a ] or a ].<span style="font-family: Verdana">]]</span> 00:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
*I'm only happy to canvas as I have been canvassed in the past. Perhaps you should've been there to point previous canvassers to their wrong-doings, and us innocents would learn from their mistakes! However, I appreciate the more useful way of solicting support, and I shall indeed be using it. ] 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:Heavens to Mergatroid, as my good friend ] would say! Enzedbrit, try as I might, it is difficult to assume good faith when confronted with such damning evidence of attempted vote stacking! You didn't just alert users of a controversy (a violatrion in and of itself), you actually told them to "voice your disgust". Not very Wiki of you. Consider a Wiki holiday, and use the time to refresh yourself on the policies here. I am concerned about your well being. ] 00:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC) :Heavens to Mergatroid, as my good friend ] would say! Enzedbrit, try as I might, it is difficult to assume good faith when confronted with such damning evidence of attempted vote stacking! You didn't just alert users of a controversy (a violatrion in and of itself), you actually told them to "voice your disgust". Not very Wiki of you. Consider a Wiki holiday, and use the time to refresh yourself on the policies here. I am concerned about your well being. ] 00:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
*My well-being is fine thanks - I'm not the one sleeping with children. As for NAMBLA, I think that you've escaped quite well from what I really wanted to say. But, in all fairness to me, I did state that, were a user to support NAMBLA's inclusion as an LGBT organisation, then they should voice that support. As detestable as NAMBLA is, people are still welcome to support it. That's democracy. ] 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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Word up

I'm not a homophobe, but I know a number of gays who've felt conflicted by their sexuality, particularly before they've come out or if they're religious. I'd suggest that internal conflict and your identity crisis (English birth, Kiwi upbringing - and accent presumably) are responsible for your borderline psychotic behaviour online. Oh and by the way, I don't particularly dislike New Zealanders either. What I do dislike however, is people with a god complex, and little understanding of a certain political situation pontificating on the matter. --MacRusgail 16:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC) p.s. "Why bother?" - to use your words.

Word up? Sorry, I don't speak ghetto.
Anyone who brings up the sexuality of another as a form of detriment to shoot down an argument in the thin hope that others too will think them witty and clever is indeed a homophobe. You couldn't have said to a black person that they 'obviously have an issue' with their race because they were debating you on icecream or Ladybugs. Accusations of sexual mis-identity, religious conflict or the most poignant question facing mankind: with which accent should one speak, are meaningless and designed to provoke retaliation.
I think that you have completely misread the situation with my passion on these topics. It is precisely that I don't have an internal identify conflict and am very aware of my roots and heritage that I am so willing to defend it, even against nasty Scottish nationalists, who are rendered somewhat incapable to approach a situation that doesn't demonise English identity or history, with a level-headed view. Enzedbrit 20:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

If you are in Auckland or nearby, you are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - Linnah 08:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:FLAGS edit warring

Stop edit warring; take to Talk. --Mais oui! 05:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Photie

Leaving aside hostilities for the time being... great photo!!! Congrats. Now, are you the lucky man who married a Scot? Or am I obliged to ask if you are a true Scotsman? ;) --Mais oui! 10:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I wed the Highlander, he wed the Geordie.Enzedbrit 22:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I assume that you are both familiar with that classic Dandy comic strip: The Jocks and the Geordies? --Mais oui! 09:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
No, I'd never heard of it. I thought it would've been something to do with Berwick, the inhabitants of whom are rendered Jocks in Newcastle and Geordies in Edinburgh. I'll have to obtain a copy of The Dandy, thank you.Enzedbrit 22:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was thinking similar thoughts. Of course the stereotypical Scot is a Highlander (far away from The Border), and nobody in north Northumberland would self-identify as a Geordie! But it is only a comic after all! Their lifeblood is outdated stereotypes. --Mais oui! 09:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure that people in North Northumberland would admit to speaking Geordie. It would've been better had the creators used actual Geordie/Northumbrian stereotypes for the English boys though. For example, dressing them in Northumbrian tartan and puttin leeks in their caps! I notice that in the article of Aschaffenburg where I added the flag of the UK and tidied up the sister-city section, you 'reverted' the flag to the Scottish flag. Previously, there was no flag and a jumbled sentence. I'm sorry but this really does show your agenda of changing the union flag to the Scottish flag for all Scottish sister-cities, not simply reverting flags to prevent a flag war. That's disappointing. Enzedbrit 05:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

GayNZ.com

An article that you created, GayNZ.com, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/GayNZ.com Thank you. SkierRMH 08:36, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Good to see you've decided to come back. I had a bit of a wobble (pun inteded, by the way it's from the Wobble Hypothesis if you've ever wondered, which I've always thought is a great name for a scientific theory) myself recently. I stopped editing a lot of articles that were causing me a lot of stress. I somehow got into editing articles about the concept of "race", and being a biologist and geneticist was incensed at how my discipline was being abused by racists and fascists to further their repugnant agenda. I was shocked and saddened that so many people devote so much time and effort to undermine science to promote hatred. Sad little gits really. But ultimatelly I found it very emotionally draining to be constantly battling, especially with certain people intent on wikilawyering, interpreting every little remark as a "personal attack" and every removal of their lies from an article as "vandalism". I was reported to WP:PAIN several times, then to WP:ANI twice, when nothing came of this the guy kept leaving messages on admins talk pages complaining about me. I got very pissed off and was going to jack it all in, I felt persecuted. But then that's what these people want isn't it? I was advised that I could have reported this guy for harrasement, but I'm not so small minded as the fascists are, it's always about bullying with them, never about truth. There's a nice quote that I like from the Marquis de Sade Never are Tyrants born of Anarchy. You see them flourish only behind the screen of Law. I think it sums it up really, tyrants are only interested in using any means possible to silence their critics. So I thought why should I give in? Anyway I'm glad to see you're back (that doesn't sound quite right). I had a look at the AfD above and voted for a keep, can't see why it would have been AfD'd in the first place really, there's a lot less notable articles than that on Misplaced Pages. Anyway, keep the faith and all that. Cheers. Alun 18:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing

I'm a little concerned by these edits: , , , , , , . I suggest you read Misplaced Pages's policy on canvassing editors in a dispute at WP:CANVASS. I have no idea on what basis you selected these editors but your message was clearly partisan. An edit summary of "HELP!" accompanying a message inviting people to "voice your disgust at NAMBLA being included as an LGBT organisation" is not salvaged by adding "if you believe that this is indeed an LGBT organisation, then you're welcome to voice that opinion". The indication of which option you prefer in those terms makes it clearly partisan. In addition, any editor's "disgust" is completely irrelevant. The question (expressed neutrally) was whether a group disowned by a majority of LGBT organization should nonetheless be categorized as a LGBT organization by Misplaced Pages. That question can be considered in the abstract without becoming emotive about NAMBLA's controversial agenda. In future I would suggest a more neutral forum for soliciting other opinions such as a request for comment or a request for a third opinion.WjBscribe 00:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm only happy to canvas as I have been canvassed in the past. Perhaps you should've been there to point previous canvassers to their wrong-doings, and us innocents would learn from their mistakes! However, I appreciate the more useful way of solicting support, and I shall indeed be using it. Enzedbrit 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Heavens to Mergatroid, as my good friend Snagglepuss would say! Enzedbrit, try as I might, it is difficult to assume good faith when confronted with such damning evidence of attempted vote stacking! You didn't just alert users of a controversy (a violatrion in and of itself), you actually told them to "voice your disgust". Not very Wiki of you. Consider a Wiki holiday, and use the time to refresh yourself on the policies here. I am concerned about your well being. Jeffpw 00:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • My well-being is fine thanks - I'm not the one sleeping with children. As for NAMBLA, I think that you've escaped quite well from what I really wanted to say. But, in all fairness to me, I did state that, were a user to support NAMBLA's inclusion as an LGBT organisation, then they should voice that support. As detestable as NAMBLA is, people are still welcome to support it. That's democracy. Enzedbrit 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)