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Public statement: Russians who are suffering under the Russian Federation regime, I am on your side

If you are a Russian Misplaced Pages editor who is living directly in Russia or is living outside of Russia but still has inextricable ties to the country (e.g. your bank account), and you are truly not a supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin's War of Aggression against the independent sovereign state of Ukraine, then I am on your side. I support your right to free speech, your right to maintain your own livelihood, and your right to protect yourself and your loved ones from the dangers of the authoritarian regime under which you live. I do NOT expect Russians living in Russia to openly voice opposition to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, since I KNOW that doing this is illegal and punishable by imprisonment, torture, or even death. If you are one of these such members of the Russian Resistance, then I salute you, and I am on your side. I am not opposed to the Russian people. I am opposed to the Russian government and its leaders. That is all I have to say for now. Thank you, and take care, JN. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 01:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

My recent talk page activity

I'm a bit upset at the moment due to the death of my pet bird. I will probably go back to normal in a few days. If anyone wants to discuss "states with limited recognition", feel free to do so here. I believe that I am clogging up various talk pages. And indeed, out of all separatist regions, aside from the terrorist ones (like ISIS), I generally support each region's right to self-determination, although this can entail either independence or autonomy. But there is one separatist region that I am absolutely not convinced by, and it is the Donbas region. Donetsk and Luhansk are the spitting image of historical Manchukuo, which Japan carved out of China in the years leading up to World War II. If anyone thinks I'm anti-China due to my pro-Taiwan stance, well, here's the proof that I'm really not. I can recognise when there's is a worse of two evils... China was never a perfect country, but Japan's actions in Manchuria (which they called "Manchukuo") during the pre-WWII era were despicable. The actions of Russia in the Donbas region in the present day mirror this situation almost exactly, just in a slightly different context. History takes place every day, and it is happening right now. In fifty years from now, Donbas will be invariably described as puppet states in the history books, just as Manchukuo is today. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 07:07, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Just stop

Please stop deleting relevant information from the Misplaced Pages. Otherwise, I shall be forced to report you as a vandal. Derim Hunt (talk) 10:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

This is one of the lamest threats I have ever received. Try harder. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Archive of discussion over "vandalism" accusation by user Zenzyyx (July 29, 2022)

This user has a habit of deleting conversations on his talk page without archiving them. As such, I am creating an archive of one such discussion on my own talk page, for self-reference.

Here is the link to the last revision of the conversation before he deleted everything - 1. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 01:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Title: "Marking edits as vandalism"

• My first comment.

I would request that you don't just immediately mark someone's edit as vandalism. I was rewriting a section of the article "Donetsk People's Republic–Russia relations", and you immediately reverted it and labelled it as vandalism after I deleted the pre-existing section. This was in spite of the fact that I had both (1) written a sufficient edit summary and (2) explained my removal of content in the associated talk page. - Jargo Nautilus (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

• One of my subsequent comments.

I'm not going to heed any advice from you. You have no authority over me. And I probably won't remember anything you've said today. - Jargo Nautilus (talk) 14:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

• My last comment.

I feel like I am speaking to a pretentious prick who doesn't bother to analyse a situation beyond what he sees in the first 2 seconds. Also, his analysis in the first 2 seconds was wrong anyway. - Jargo Nautilus (talk) 14:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC) - Jargo Nautilus (talk) 01:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Donetsk and Luhansk (self commentary)

The reason that I am actually bothered to contribute to these Donetsk and Luhansk articles is that I seriously believe that public opinion in the real world (i.e. outside of Misplaced Pages land) is so strongly in favour of Ukraine's position that it overwhelmingly negates the official recognition that Russia and its proxies (North Korea, Syria, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia) have provided to the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic. The editors over at the article "list of states with limited recognition" seem to be convinced that Russia's official recognition is the be all and end all, the end of the discussion. However, I beg to differ. In my opinion, global public opinion is strong enough to remove these two entities (quasi-states) from that list article, and the recognition from Russia has absolutely zero legitimacy, whether in real life or in terms of Misplaced Pages's own narrow guidelines. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

My views on Russia (self commentary)

In the past, I think I used to have positive views towards Russia, or at the very least, not overly negative. Indeed, one of my favourite computer games as a kid was entirely Russian-created and owned. I also used to play a Turkish computer game, and I currently still play a computer game that is based in Ukraine.

My views on Russia have changed over the years, largely as a consequence of my views towards China deteriorating, given that China is commonly viewed as a close ally of Russia (although their exact extent of friendship is complex).

My views towards Russia have definitely taken a sharp turn for the worst following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. I don't think I've ever been quite as outraged by anything in my life up until this point.

Simply put, I have lost all respect for Russia as a country following the 2022 invasion. And, the sad thing is, I used to indeed have a decent level of respect for Russia in the past.

Officially, I do not recognise the authority of the Russian government anymore, and I've declared war against Russia in retaliation to its 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

With all of this being said, I would like to see Russia return to some semblance of normalcy. Obviously, the Ukrainians who have lost their lives in this war can't be revived. And neither can all of the property in Ukraine destroyed by Russia be exactly revived either (i.e. buildings and the like). Still, I hope that one day, after this is all over, Russia will become a normal country once again. That's all for now, JN. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 00:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

You've 'declared war'? The military of Ukraine will appreciate your volunteering to fight - when are you flying to Chernovtsy? 50.111.25.27 (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

If your argument is "voluntarily die for no good reason", then, sure, you make a good point. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

My views on America (self commentary)

If there's any consolation for you Russian sympathizers out there (who might criticize me for hating on Russia so much), bear in mind that I also don't particularly love America either (i.e. the United States). I have a love-hate relationship with America. When I was a kid, I hated America, literally citing it as my "least favourite country in the world". Subsequently, my views on America became more positive, but the negative element never truly went away. I know that America is a very diverse country, and there are definitely some aspects of it that I like. For example, my favourite musicians are all either from America or living in America. Meanwhile, I have some extended family members in America. Not to mention, I consume various American products such as TV shows, food, video games, etc. With that being said, I think there's a culture of arrogance in America that can never really be overlooked, no matter how much good stuff also comes out of that country. I am definitely happy to befriend a good American, but I am equally willing to consider a bad American my enemy. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

And I'm sure the Americans return the sentiment. 50.111.25.27 (talk) 16:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

They don't even know or care which country I come from. Brah. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Reply

Hello, you left a message on my talk page - I'm here responding to that. To be honest what happened pushed me over the edge... need to take a LONG break from Misplaced Pages, if I ever come back to editing again. I am probably partially to blame, 50/50, and naïve to think that the Russian teams that are paid to monitor and edit Misplaced Pages will let a low level editor like me make edits to pages they control. Going to try and take a few months off and come back. Have a great weekend and thanks for stopping by on my page. Cheers Colinmcdermott (talk) 17:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey, no worries, I've gone through some rough times at Misplaced Pages too. Misplaced Pages has this insane hierarchical system that can only be overcome by investing thousands of mind-numbing hours both on and off the website (off, because a professional academic background of some kind can provide a major advantage). There are some people who have spent longer on Misplaced Pages than I've been alive (I'm not that old, which probably isn't hard to figure out). And yes, Misplaced Pages is a battleground of propaganda coming from all sides, and especially the Russians at this very moment. I've been arguing with someone just today because he reverted an edit (title change/ article move) of mine without explaining why, and then when I asked him why he did that, he became hostile saying "stop pinging me, I'll tell you later". This guy is clearly a bit more addicted to Misplaced Pages than I am, so he hides behind his apparent accolades in order to shield himself from criticism. But I did have a valid reason for being upset, since he really didn't provide a very good explanation at all for why he was so opposed to my edits. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello sorry for the slow reply, and thank you for the positive words and explanation. That makes a lot of sense. Still taking a bit of a break from things but might edit sporadically in the future. Have a good week. Colinmcdermott (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Dates in 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan

Hi, at one point I had brought all dates in the 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan article to one style (dmy) per MOS:DATEUNIFY, now you seem to be changing them to use mdy format. Any particular reason for that? I'm just wondering because that seems to run somewhat contrary to MOS:DATERET, and I cannot see MOS:DATETIES that would call for a change to mdy. M16A3NoRecoilHax (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, it seems that you can use either one of them (according to those guidelines you linked), so you can change it back to the other format if you wish. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 08:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you can use either one, but it is normally discouraged (per MOS:DATERET) to just change them from one format to another without reason. Not to mention that they are now no longer uniform and some are dmy where others are mdy. I will make them uniform again then later. M16A3NoRecoilHax (talk) 09:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I didn't know that it was discouraged. People haven't necessarily read all of the guidelines pages on Misplaced Pages, you can't expect people to have done so when there are so many of them with so much excessive information. I was editing the dates on account of my own understanding of style, not on account of Misplaced Pages's actual style guides. As I said, I have no problem with changing them back, but please note that I don't believe I did anything particularly wrong. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 09:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you did it with malicious intent (I don't believe that at all), I'm just stating my reasons for why I believe that it should be changed back. M16A3NoRecoilHax (talk) 09:34, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, as I said, they are perfectly reasonable reasons. You don't really need to contact on Talk for this, a simple edit summary would be enough. Cheers. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 09:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Russians are mafia. Change my mind.

Russians are mafia who cannot handle criticism and censor those who oppose them. Change my mind. Anyone who is willing, please provide evidence that there is some humanity left within the Russian people. Or have they been completely orcified? Nothing is off limits here. Except censorship, of course. Don't delete my comments or things will get messy. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 10:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)