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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 14:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to the London Bridge Task Force

Hello! You seem to have an interest in the recent death of Elizabeth II, so I wanted to invite to the WikiProject of Current Events new task force The London Bridge Task Force, which will be working on improving all the articles around the death of Elizabeth II. A task force is similar to a WikiProject, which is where you can communicate with other editors who all have the same goal, which is improving all the articles around a specific topic. I hope you consider joining! Elijahandskip (talk) 18:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

2022–23 FA Cup First qualifying round attendances

Hey there, just wondering why you nuked the entire attendance section for the first qualifying round on 2022–23 FA Cup qualifying rounds? ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Bugger, thanks for bringing it to my attention. I was changing the format standard to help the look of references but must have deleted it when I did 1Q. I will add them back chees! JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

No problem! I didn't want to start an edit war. Glad it was just an error. Thanks so much for adding them back (though I think you added an extra column somewhere)! ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

fixed JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 18:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Royalty and Nobility Barnstar
		For all your great work editing and consensus building on articles relating to the Death of Elizabeth II I bestow upon you this Royal Barnstar. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Reactions article etc

Don't copy my comments to other discussions, and don't get involved in discussions that you have no interest in to try to smear me.

As you said in one of your comments, you're not a very experienced editor. You seem to be getting quite exercised about small details and formatting questions, and you seem to be in an unnecessary hurry. I would suggest you relax and wait, see if other editors respond to your discussion points. // Hippo43 (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry but this was in good faith. Guides on trying to build consensus in content disputes encourage editors to gather discussion from User talk pages and copy them on article talk pages when they are relevant in order to make it easier to follow along to content disputes. I copied your "I disagree" reply on User talk:Hippo43#30 input onto the article talk page section on that aformentioned 3O. I agreed with the Third Opinion but I was copying your comment into the discussion to show that you disagreed with it so we could document the Third Opinion not resolving the dispute so we could then move on to the RfC that is now up. Responses will now roll in on the issue and is now just a matter of waiting for up to 30 days to see the contributions of others. No one is in a rush. This RfC has only now appeared after this content removal of yours had been going on for 4 days after it became apparent that it wasn't going to be resolved naturally through gradual editing and attempted rephrasing on my behalf (which is fine—it is why we moved it along). JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Your intervention at the Crown Jeweller discussion was not in good faith. I hope my position on this is very clear. // Hippo43 (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I am not a very experienced editor and welcome any tips. Getting "quite exercised about small details and formatting questions" is quite bad faithed and aggro however. I am seeking to build consensus and resolve disputes. One could equally say that your revision of reverting "answered on" to "questioned" is trivial but that doesn't matter because it is about making the article better and in response–rather than constantly revert–I acknowledged and took on board your edits and rephrased multiple times only to be met with your stonewalling before you then suddenly decided without reason to remove mention of part of the content that had already pre-existed and you had already written around previously and despite it already existing then claiming the onus was on me to seek resolution for it in an awful WP:DRNC edit summary—but that I nevertheless followed anyway. My "intervention" was responding to a section specifically about you by an editor talking about actions you had taken where I merely provided possible further background (even with the acknowledgment that I could not speak for that particular article) on similar actions. It is through these discussions that editors might explore the possibility of seeking WP:ANI. It was hardly a "smear" to discuss in a section specifically about your conduct. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 17:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

As an inexperienced editor I would welcome any engagement into what it is I can actually improve rather than half-arsed attempts to even follow along with discussion as is evidenced by remarks such as "don't copy my comments to other discussions" in reply to passing on your response to an appropriate channel (and literally being helpful). JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 18:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

^It is particularly important to note this because you have now tried to hide mention of this in the Third Opinion discussion in Specthis revert. Please do not do this again as it may actively undermine the current RfC as it could make it look like I didn't bother to see if the Third Opinion resolved the dispute when it was the case that I routinely notified you in and you responded that you still disagreed when I prompted you. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 18:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Kenyans on twitter =/= Black Twitter

Just FYI. Would hate for that to be misinterpreted, we all know how it looks but I'm sure thats not what you meant. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

You've gone over 3rr

JamesLewisBedford01, you appear to have violated WP:3rr at Reactions to the death of Elizabeth II. Please self-revert or you will likely be taken to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

they haven't been reverts. I am dissecting apart your content and moving the content to sections that already exist because this section as per previous reasons is many things plus ultimately redundant. again, please state your disagreement to the reasons I gave for moving. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 03:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

feel free to engage with this in the many talk sections we have open. consensus through gradual removal. only outright reverts have been from you. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 03:50, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

What you just described is reverts, see WP:REVERT. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:52, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I was not reverting an action. Making an edit does not automatically mean you reverted it back to an old revision. But anyway, we can discuss which of our edits did or didn't count as "reverting" or we can actually try and talk about content instead.

To state again, I have argued that the Political section is redundant because there is already a political responses and all this new section does is cherry pick anti-monarchial sentiment that exists already in other sections and as I have shown in some of my edits where I dissected apart individual sentences, the descriptive features of this content has got LESS because it is being isolated on its own simply as a statement with no supporting expansion or context provided. This is my opinion on why I believe this new section you have shoehorned at the end should be splintered off to work around what already exists in the article. What is your opinion on why you believe this new section is in fact better for the article? JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 04:00, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

None of those is a 3rr exception see, WP:3RRNO. Also note that while you might view all of this through a monarchial/anti-monarchial lens I don't. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

It is not about a lens. I will rephrase. They all reflect on the future of the monarchy. Again, all stuff that is already mentioned in previous sections. I repeat, what does this add that there isn't already and how is not redundant as another political responses section. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 04:13, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

And what in there is the valid exemption to the 3rr violation? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok so you don't want to try and improve and build consensus then, just maintain status quo. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I didn't violate WP:3RR, when you do that you spit on the consensus building process. Either self revert or be taken to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring with an open and shut case. Your call. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Improving individual sentences and moving them into better contexts isn't going back on a previous action it is doing something else with new reasons given. The edits are jumbled up as I tackled each sentence in that short section individually and some content was also lost during an edit conflict when moved some sentences was moved back to the standalone one liners. I gather that you want these sentences to be moved back into this section of yours, and if you want to do that propose a previous revision that you want to see back. "Self revert" is not really that specific and is also not likely to manage to restore this revision on its own. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)