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Evidence presented by User:Aivazovsky

User:AdilBaguirov violating Misplaced Pages:No original research

On various occasions, in various arguments on user talk pages, Adil has attempted to use references and twist them to his own point of view and to draw his own conclusions. He then attempts to "sell" these conclusions as undisputed facts to other users on the disscussion page. He has done this on the Qazakh article and on the Nakhichevan article where he insisted on including a reference to an HETQ piece that supposedly confirmed that the Armenians destroyed their own khachkars in Nakhichevan. However, the stones that were discussed in the article were not khachkars and nowhere does it back up Adil's assertion. Initally, I hastily agreed with Adil to include the HETQ reference in the article to prevent another major Armenian-Azeri dispute from emerging (Shah Abbas' deportations was the major issue at the time). However, as I looked over the situation again, I reversed my position and challenged Adil. Needless to say, he was unable back up his argument. See my full discussion with him on the dispute here and . Even after this, though, Adil continued to try and squeeze the HETQ reference in the article . -- Aivazovsky 19:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

User:AdilBaguirov violating Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks

Adil has attacked my credibility and has generalized the Armenians as Turkic-hating people . -- Aivazovsky 19:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

First off, like you do below, in making an exact mirror-like accusation with Nareklm (Artaxiad) against me on some groundless IP claims, here (above) you repeat exactly the same false claim as Fedayee -- which once again reveals that you guys are conducting a deliberate, orchestrated character assassination campaign -- and do that out of hate, vengeance and in haste. I did not generalize about anyone, but directed my RESPONSE to you, and two other users, who have been first to accuse me, as well as insult and harrass (see my section of this page on details).

Secondly, on the Qazakh page you have damaged your credibility -- anyone who would read the Talk page there would quickly understand that. You've had time since August 2006 to make or agree to make appropriate changes on this very short and simple article, which nevertheless had many errors due to POV. You have procrastinated and instead reverted all attempts. Then, after being pressed for days, you've admitted that you were wrong about the 1931 date and changed it to another arbitrary date of 1928 . Just an hour later, you've just dumped all the blame for the "mistake" on the expelled-from-university "Dr." Andersen, your preferred "scholar"  !!! How are we all supposed to call this, if not farce? There are many more examples of you damaging your own credibility -- such as being the first to post some maps, which you were pointed out by an admin is ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and which you have mislabeled -- instead of reaffirming that they represented borders of c. 1921, you've tried to pass them as representing borders to the made-up date of 1931 (this was before you first admitted to be wrong, and then dumped the blame on Andersen himself). Anyhow, a summary of all the mistakes at the time was done here . Also, you were offered to apply for mediation, which you for some reason refused . From this short retort, we can see just how justified all your complaints are. --AdilBaguirov 09:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

User:AdilBaguirov responsible multipule article closings

As proof of Adil's disruptive behavior on Misplaced Pages, I would like to point out that most of the articles he has participated in were closed due to edit-warring. These include: Karki (Azerbaijan), Koryun (not a recent example, but this illustrates what I'm talking about), Mammed Amin Rasulzade, Nagorno-Karabakh, Nakhichevan, Qazakh, Stepanakert, Tigranes the Great, and Urartu. Before his arrival, all of these were either stable or at least somewhat stable. I ask that the administrators look at the edit histories of these articles. -- Aivazovsky 20:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

actually, how can you prove that I am to blame for the protection of articles, if my fully-sourced, verifiable, authoritative references are being removed by yourself and some other already mentioned editors, who are the one's to blame for edit-warring and disruptive behavior? Can you show me at least one edit of mine that was not supported by verifiable evidence and was closed/protected due to my edits? Please be so kind to prove your blanket allegation. --AdilBaguirov 08:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

User:AdilBaguirov evading his block

After being blocked, Adil, frustrated with his inability to continue creating tension, attempted to evade his block under User talk:158.59.89.27, User talk:158.59.89.27, User talk:70.108.130.75. -- Aivazovsky 20:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

that's the repetition of unfounded and groundless accusations -- exactly same as user Nareklm (Artaxiad), which probably means it is a coordinated attack on me. In fact, it is so obvious, as just like Nareklm (Artaxiad), user Aivazovsky REPEATED the IP User talk:158.59.89.27 TWICE. Meanwhile, I've discussed this allegation in details, for example, here , as well as below in response to the exact same Nareklm (Artaxiad) accusation (btw, user Nareklm has been proven to use at least one sock puppet Mikara, and use IP anons to evade block). I am posting under my name and under my IP, I don't need to "evade" anything or anyone, that's the prerogative of my accusers. --AdilBaguirov 08:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Batabat

I ask that the administrators investigate User:Batabat. In this user's short tenure on Misplaced Pages, he has defended Adil's behavior of User:Khoikhoi's talk page and he created a user page that only consisted of the following text (also see here for evidence: ):

It should be noted that the Republic of Armenia has never laid claim to Nakhichevan, the autnomous Azerbaijani exclave seperated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia's Syunik province. This was an obvious attempt to provoke a response from Armenian editors. His clear unconstructive attitude towards the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is a violation of Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith. It has been claimed that Batabat is a sockpuppet of User:AdilBaguirov, though this has yet to be proven. -- Aivazovsky 21:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You can claim that mount Ararat is in Armenia, or that lake Sevan was not called Lake Goycha until 20th century, and other things, but it would not mean you are correct. Likewise, Batabat cannot be my sockpuppet -- first, because I don't use sockpuppets, and second, because he is a completely different user, which I think is very clear. --AdilBaguirov 08:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by User:Atabek

User:Aivazovsky violating Misplaced Pages:No original research

User:Aivazovsky has published a map and some material based on freelance blog at Qazakh page, claiming that it's from some Andrew Andersen, PhD ]. The article claimed that the entire Qazakh uyezd of Azerbaijan was part of Armenia up to 1931. When proven that these facts and the map were false at Talk:Qazakh, User:Aivazovsky quickly changed his estimate to year 1927 (again WP:OR), yet still refused to accept that Andrew Andersen, "PhD" is not a credible source.

Further User:AdilBaguirov provided a lengthy summary of facts, proving Andersen is not a credible source, to which User:Aivazovsky's response was:

Normally, I would respond to each of these, but this time, I don't think I will. Look, Adil, you're not helping the situation at all. I'm working on resolving it constructively with Atabek and Kober above.

So the evidence was simply brushed aside, when not in interest of User:Aivazovsky. Moreover, when presented with counter evidence, User:Aivazovsky simply ceased to respond to the evidence on Talk:Qazakh, further prolonging the blockage of otherwise important page. It shall also be mentioned here, that in parallel, User:Aivazovsky also reverted the March Days page from a lengthy article, which was mediated with User:Nareklm with help of User:Srose to a single paragraph version, removing over 25(!) book and article references.

At Talk:Qazakh, User:Aivazovsky was further requested to prove that Andrew Andersen, "PhD" is a credible scholar and indeed a PhD, but he did not provide a single evidence in the form of journal, conference or book publication or even link or quote to those. His reference was again to an archived website, and recently User:Mikkalai presented some more evidence at Talk:Qazakh that someone by the name "Andrew Andersen" could not have been a professor at Moscow State University. User:Mikkalai also presented a Canadian website, which shows that Andrew Andersen was actually fired from the University of Victoria in 2003 for racism. With all this evidence, User:Aivazovsky keeps edit warring, blocking Qazakh page and, in fact, using Andrew Andersen maps on several other websites. Atabek 01:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Artaxiad/User:Nareklm violating Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks and Misplaced Pages:Civility

As we go through the arbitration, User:Artaxiad, here is the comment of User:Artaxiad at ] left just today:

Grandmaster you don't get a vote first of all, second these are all Turks so obviously they would want this deleted.Artaxiad 19:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Obviously User:Artaxiad cannot hold the uncivil racist outlash on other contributors of Misplaced Pages, who have equal rights. Atabek 22:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

And care to explain how calling some a Turk is racist? I'm Armenian so I just made a racist remark? Artaxiad 12:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Artaxiad violating Misplaced Pages:NPOV

Article March Days was earlier mediated with User:Nareklm, who is now User:Artaxiad. The mediator was User:Srose. Now, using previous attempts by User:Aivazovsky, User:Artaxiad without any explanation or discussion on Talk:March Days is editing the content of the article and removing NPOV references. Moreover, he is attempting to rephrase(!) the precise original word-to-word quotes, such as the one here] from Michael Croissant. Also, here I have to quote the words of mediator User:Srose at ]:

It is my understanding that one user is continually reverting essentially the same block of text. I took a look at the removed text, and the only portion which should be removed is: "The telegram shows that Lenin, with his genius for appreciating people, felt the rashness of Shaumyan. Lenin's advice about diplomacy was nothing but a warning to be more careful and less provoking." This reads like speculation. However, the other parts of the article which are continuously reverted should be kept. They are very well-cited and not, to my reading, POV. I encourage the involved editors to respond here. Srose (talk) 17:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

After this mediation effort, User:Aivazovsky and User:Artaxiad have been constantly attempting to revert the page or remove the references particularly from Firuz Kazemzadeh, a prominent U.S. scholar of Persian origin. Particularly User:Artaxiad comments:

Not everyone knows this person. Nareklm 18:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC) OR

Do you own this article? now, I have the right to modify it, not every historian is reliable or NPOV.Artaxiad 01:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It shall be noted that Dr. Kazemzadeh is a Professor Emeritus of History from Yale University and is a top expert on the region, who has published books on the subject. Dr. Kazemzadeh also headed for few years the U.S. Committee on Religious Freedoms. The book of his, which I reference, is from 1951 and has an introductory comments from Harvard professor Michael Karpovich. The references I presented from the book, present precise figures of both Azerbaijani and Armenian casulaties with the latter being referenced even from Armenian sources. What's amazing is that instead of grabbing a copy of the book from library and reading it, discussing further on Talk:March Days, User:Aivazovsky and User:Artaxiad, without scholarly qualifications close to those of Dr. Kazemzadeh, simply brush it aside calling it POV. Atabek 22:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The whole article is bias, yet you and adil keep on reverting I made slight changes to remove POV to neutralize it yet you keep on bringing in professors, historians etc it doesn't matter it has to be NPOV, the article is not it says how Armenians brutality murdered Azeris in a bloody way yet everywhere I checked especially "The Armenian-Azeri conflict" book its more neutral therefore I changed it to meet Misplaced Pages standards because Vartan, Aviaovusky and me were not happy to stop edit wars yet you revert. Artaxiad 21:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

User:TigranTheGreat violating Misplaced Pages:NPOV

Here is a clear hate comment posted by User:TigranTheGreat at , which clearly shows the intent and thinking of a contributor:

No, we admit that what is now Republic of Armenia, as well as half of Azerbaijan, has been populated by Armeninians since antiquity, whose percentage decreased only due to Turkoman invasions in 16-18th cc (except in Karabakh and some other areas). And much of the area began to become fully Armenian again after the Genocide and influx from Diaspora. And we fully intend to restore the Armenian population to the rest of these ancestral lands, bit by bit.--TigranTheGreat 14:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Atabek 18:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Grandmaster

Edit warring at Paytakaran

Every time I tried to edit this article my edits were removed by User:TigranTheGreat, User:Eupator and User:Fadix. These people simply deleted all the references that I provided under various pretexts, and prevented me from editing, which is a violation of WP:OWN. I think no diffs are necessary, it is enough to check the history of this article from the very beginning to see what was going on. The most glaring example is this revert by Eupator: , which undid all of my recent edits. Note that no explanation was provided in the edit summary for deletion of a large text, every single line of which was fully referenced. When I restored my version, it was again reverted by Fadix, who expressed his disagreement with the intro, but reverted all of my edits.

I tried to resolve the dispute by discussing the issue by talk, but when extensive discussions with the above users on talk gave no results, an admin User:Khoikhoi filed a request for the official mediation with regard to the dispute on Paytakaran at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_mediation/Paytakaran, and while me and other involved editors on both sides agreed, it was User:Fadix who rejected it, and mediation never took place. After that I filed an AMA request at Misplaced Pages:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance/Requests/January_2007/Grandmaster, and the issue is currently being mediated, please check Talk:Paytakaran.

Edit warring at Caucasian Albania

The same pattern of undoing of all my edits can be seen in the history of this article. As soon as I made edits to this article, each one of which cited its reliable third party sources such as encyclopedia Iranica, User:Azerbaijani reverted all of my edits under the false pretext that I removed referenced info, which I did not. When I restored my edits, they were removed again by an anon IP and then by a sock of banned user User:ArenM. After the revert of vandalism my edits were reverted by another sock of the same banned user , and then by User:Artaxiad without any explanation whatsoever: So you can see here very strange coordination of actions between User:Azerbaijani, banned User:Ararat arev and User:Artaxiad, who reverted in turn my edits to this article. Grandmaster 07:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring by User:ROOB323

This person has been edit warring at various articles, but History of Nagorno-Karabakh is the most glaring example of his unmotivated reverts. This article is extremely poorly written and is in desperate need of a complete rewrite. As soon as I made some edits to this article, which included new sections, removal of unsourced or improperly sourced info, links to existing articles, and additions of sourced info about Mihranid dynasty, etc and other fixes, all my edits were reverted by an anon IP. After my version was restored by another user, it was reverted by User:ROOB323: ], then by an anon IP: , and when the article was semi-protected to stop anons from reverting, it was reverted by User:Artaxiad: , and again by User:ROOB323: . After repeated reversion of my edits he made some typo fixes, and now accuses me of revering them, as if it is OK to remove referenced information and other edits by other users and then make your own minor changes. On 18 February 2007 he made 3 rvs on this page, calling edits by other users “vandalism”, which resulted in page protection. . As of now, he still prevents other editors from adding the info to the article without any explanation on talk. Grandmaster 08:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Also accusation of this user of me nominating the articles for deletion without any good reason is false and holds no water whatsoever. I explained that the article I nominated for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Khachkar destruction was a POV fork of other articles, and as such should be deleted. It is not like I go around and nominate for deletion every article created by Armenian users, this is the only one I nominated and it certainly was created as a fork to existing articles on the same topic. Grandmaster 08:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Incivility and personal attacks by User:ROOB323

Despite Misplaced Pages being free of censorship, I’m not reposting his comments here. Editors should not insult each other, even if they disagree on certain issues. Read for yourself his comment, left just now:

Incivility and personal attacks by User:Fadix

This editor makes on a regular basis personal attacks and incivil comments on other Misplaced Pages users, who happen to disagree with him. It is hard to find such a discussion where he did not mention the editors he is in disagreement with in a negative context. Such users can find their names even in the headers of the talk threads that Fadix starts, such as this: Talk:Nakhichevan#I_see_Wikipedia_is_much_of_a_game_for_Grandmaster_as_it_is_to_Adil Such behavior continued for quite some time now, and numerous incivility blocks of this user speak for themselves: I think Misplaced Pages admins can provide more details on why they blocked this user if required. I supported an RfC on this user’s conduct, which was also endorsed by Misplaced Pages admin InShaneee, please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Fadix. However, as usual RfC did not generate much response and did not result in any change of this user’s behavior. Grandmaster 11:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Incivility and racist comments by User:TigranTheGreat

This person made nationalistic and racist remarks on a number of occasions.

At the end of this thread this user made racist comments about Azerbaijani people.

Admin User:Francis Tyers, who mediated the dispute, removed some of them and pointed Tigran to their inappropriateness:

In the bottom of this thread he attacked the ethnic background of User:Aivazovsky, formerly known as Clevelander and made racist comments. I’m not providing diffs, I suggest the arbitrators read that thread. It is very long, so please check the comments left on 20 December.

Incivility and racist comments by User:Eupator

This person compared Muslim population of Armenia with Nazis and called them occupants.

When I objected to such comparisons, he called my objections “degenerate outburst”.

Sockpuppetry by User:Artaxiad and others

There was definitely some sockpuppetry and possibly meatpuptery involved. User:Artaxiad/Nareklm and his sock User:Mikara were reverting pages to support Armenian and Iranian editors. Mikara being sock of Artaxiad/Nareklm was officially proved by checkuser: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Nareklm This was not his first sock, previously he used another sock called HayasaArmen to violate wiki policies. Moreover, banned User:Ararat arev was also reverting the contribs of Azerbaijani users to Azerbaijan-Armenia and Iran related articles using socks (for example, User:ArenM and User:Tutmoses8) and countless anonymous IPs. Of course, this led to edit wars becoming more and more intense. In addition, User:Mardavich and User:Artaxiad supported each other in reverting the articles and voting on various pages. Mardavich voted: Narek voted too: While I can understand Fadix voting here, because he contributed to discussions previously and after voting, Narek never neither edited nor discussed this article, so it cannot be considered a good faith vote. This activity was definitely coordinated outside of wiki, and reverts by Ararat aren strangely coincided with those of some of the aforementioned users. It is also interesting to note reappearance of another permanently banned Armenian User:Rovoam and his vandalism of the arbcom page. Somehow he instantly became aware of this arbcom case and turned up for support.

It is also not nice to see your edits being reverted by people, who never contributed a singe line to the articles they rv or their talks, and you can only guess what their real motives are. User:Azerbaijani and User:Mardavich deserve special attention. If you check their contributions, you’ll see that in addition to edit warring on various Iran related articles, these people have been actively involved in edit wars on Armenia – Azerbaijan related articles, undoing edits by Azerbaijani users. Just a couple of examples of their rvs:

Azerbaijani:

Same for Mardavich:

In addition, these 2 have been edit warring on such articles as Atabeg, Azerbaijan, Arran (Azerbaijan), Musavat, Safavid dynasty and many others.

Please see Grandmaster 12:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You could see that while some Iranian users were reverting for Armenian ones, some Armenian users returned the favor. Some examples:

It is also interesting to see the way Artaxiad tried to clean up Misplaced Pages of images related to Azerbaijan. Check his contribs on 24 February: The number of images he tagged is too big to list here. Thanks to admins who reverted some of his tags. He tagged for deletion almost every single image uploaded by Azerbaijani users, and many of them have been deleted. It would not be a problem if he was so critical with regard to the images uploaded by users of other ethnic backgrounds, including Armenian, but such selectiveness makes me think that this user tried to make a certain point. Grandmaster 13:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

A comment on Golbez’s comment

It would be good to provide some background as to what started an edit war on that article in the first place. Nagorno-Karabakh is a very troubled article, it was protected many times even before me or Adil joined Misplaced Pages. So obviously one should edit such articles very cautiously, considering that it has a very delicate balance of words and any unilateral change may result in serious debates and edit wars. The intro of that article was disputed many times, and eventually the dispute was resolved when after many months of debates, RfC, etc an admin User:EI_C proposed a statement with which the involved parties more or less agreed. The article was stable for a while, until this edit by User:TigranTheGreat, who returned after the long absence:

He changed the intro, and the debate instantly resumed. This is when Golbez joined the dispute. I respect Golbez as an admin, but unfortunately he is not that good as a mediator, in my opinion he should stay out of such troubled articles as this one. Instead of restoring the status quo and inviting the parties to discuss the issues before making changes, he supported Tigran’s action. Moreover, he even reverted the admin User:EI_C, who tried to restore the compromise version. Golbez admitted on the talk his sympathy for separatist movements, which did not increase his credibility with Azeri editors, and in general his involvement resulted in further aggravation of the situation. I asked Francis to join and help resolve the problem, and eventually by joint efforts the dispute was resolved, but it took another couple of months before the parties settled on the current version of the intro. All in all, I think that such troubled articles should be mediated by more experienced mediators such as Francis, and while I’m sure that the intentions of Golbez were good, the result of his interference into that particular article was really negative. Grandmaster 14:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Ironically, it was me who first suggested to take the dispute on NK page to arbitration, and it was Golbez who refused. Quotes:

The fact is that NK is a region of Azerbaijan and is internationally recognized as such. It's not an opinion, it is an undeniable fact. No one can say that NK has any status other than a region of Azerbaijan. So the intro should say that. Since Tigran resumed the edit war over the intro, I think we have every right to submit this dispute for arbitration. It has already passed all stages of dispute resolution, including mediation and RfC, so we should have no problem with presenting our case to arbcom. Grandmaster 16:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration is not for content matters; you would have to show a lengthy campaign of edit warring. -- Golbez 17:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

There was a lengthy campaign of edit warring at the time, and here we are now. Grandmaster 06:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

A comment on Fadix's statements

Some comments on Fadix’s accusations. Fadix blames the current situation on Adil and new Azerbaijani editors, however it takes 2 to have the article protected. According to Fadix, his side of the dispute is not to blame for anything. But I would like to ask Fadix when was the last time he applied for any dispute resolution? Has it ever happened at all? In fact, it was Fadix who disrupted almost all attempts to have disputes mediated, and on a number of occasions refused to cooperate with mediators. I understand that he is not happy with the current situation, when the number of Azerbaijani editors increased, and it is not so easy to gang up against one user and undo all his edits, no matter how well referenced they are, and have him blocked for 3RR violation, if he still tries to add his input. Paytakaran article is a good example of that, and I provided other examples too. But when the number of Azerbaijani contributors increased, it became increasingly difficult to suppress information they were trying to add to the articles, and thus the edit wars intensified. In case of Adil, he has always provided the references for his edits on talk and properly cited them, and has always been willing to discuss any issues. However all his edits were blindly reverted, on many cases without any explanation whatsoever. Armenian users followed him to the articles that were not related to Armenia and were undoing his edits there as well. I’m not defending Adil, he can defend himself, but I see that most accusations of the Armenian users directed at him. He is a relatively new user, who does not contribute on a regular basis, and is not well familiar with the way Misplaced Pages works, while people undoing his edits are much better familiar with the editing environment here and take advantage of it. But if some people guard certain articles from the information they don’t like and gang up to prevent other editors from editing them, then they at least share the blame. It is not just about one or two persons, it is about the situation in general, when some people try to add information, and others try to prevent them from doing it.

Evidence presented by AdilBaguirov

Original research by User:Aivazovsky and personal attacks and incivility by User:Fadix and User:Artaxiad (aka User:Nareklm)

Unfortunately, some of the editors never lose any time for making counter-productive falseless accusations -- despite themselves being the initiators of personal attacks, the 3RR, as well as violating the Original Research and Verifiability clauses of Misplaced Pages. For example, user Fadix continued his harrassment campaign against me . User Artaxiad (aka Nareklm) continued his groundless charges of sockpuppetry and IP anon, etc., without any proof -- despite the fact that the check user proved that I am who I am, whilst my accusers, like Artaxiad (Nareklm), use socks and are IP vandals .

Moreover, Artaxiad (Nareklm) threatened to Dmcdevit revert wars, going for IP anons: "if you guys want to play this game i will to, im not stupid i know how to find these things out, and i promise you its not going to be nice rv wars will start, im not threatening but alot of us are becoming inpatient"

He also expresses his intentions to Fadix: "Hmm you are right i agree, but we should learn how to fight back because that is what we are known for i have a few tactics but i can't list them here, you remember that email?" Fadix made another extensive personal attack on my persona on 02:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC), that was removed by admin Khoikhoi and Fadix temporarily blocked

User Artaxiad (aka Nareklm) continued to make more attacks on me, such as generalized allegations of me supposedly being anti Armenian and what's funny, anti-Iranian:

Because of this, I've accused my attackers to be anti-Azerbaijani and anti-Turkish -- which user Artaxiad (Nareklm) never denied. I've addressed this accusation here and . It's easy to see that my accusations holds water -- as opposed to my accusers' accusations -- they constantly meddle into Azerbaijan-related pages, despite not knowing much about the subjects and not discussing any changed on the Talk pages, such as the case with Artaxiad (Nareklm).

I can go on and on about the transgressions, violations and insults of my accusers. However, it does not do much good, as the intentions and contributions of mine vs. those who accuse me are open and visible, and it's easy to see whose contributions are mostly facts, and whose are mostly finger-pointings.

Yet let me finalize on Aivazovsky's ironic khachkar recollection, which he for some reason put under Original Research category, whilst its clearly not, as its verifiable and was not interpreted in any way. Aivazovsky was adamant to include, in the main Nakhichevan (Naxcivan) article, stories of khachkar destruction allegedly in Naxcivan and allegedly by Azerbaijanis. To this, I've included a story from Hetq about Armenians' destroying their own khachkars and cultural heritage -- and since the Hetq story compares this to khachkar (cross-stones or head-stones, common to Armenians and Caucasian Albanians of the region) destruction in Naxcivan, it was relevant. Aivazovsky, as he admits, initially agreed, but later reversed his decision (which he often does, including on that page about Naxcivan, an interesting flip-flop, which makes discussions and agreements with him nearly impossible, as he self-admittingly reverses his promises easily).

What is interesting, there are more admissions of khachkars being destroyed by Armenians themselves, especially around their capital of Yerevan -- for example, at this specialized khachkar website -

"Endangered Khachkars in Armenia and Artsakh It is particularly tragic that khachkars are also endangered in Armenia and Artsakh. They are disappearing, being damaged or moved. Most endangered are the old khachkar fields located near today’s graveyards, where khachkars are being eradicated for the creation of new burial space. The “crown of thorns” belongs to the khachkar field in Arinch near Yerevan. The situation is threatening in Noratus as well, where new burials are encroaching upon the khachkar field from at least three sides. The old graveyard of Areni is in almost the same situation. The movement of khachkars voluntarily by different individuals is a widespread practice. In some cases this is done to allegedly create a new holy place, for example, the case of Karmir Dalakner of Gegharquniq region where the khachkar was brought from Karvachar. Another case of moved khachkars is due to the decoration of new offices and especially entertainment establishments, as for example in the Vank village in Karabakh. The third and the most condemning practice is when khachkars are merely disappearing to decorate individual yards and houses. Khachkars are being damaged also by believers, worshipers and casual visitors, who light candles on them or write their names on them or engage in rituals that are damaging the carvings." See gallery of photos here -

Moreover, the destruction of cultural heritage (or Cultural Genocide, as some Armenians dubbed it) in Armenia, like elsewhere, has reached dangerous proportions and led to many protests both in press and in streets -- , , , and

Hence, if the Armenian and pro-Armenian view on destruction of khachkars by allegedly Azerbaijanis and allegedly in Naxcivan is to be included in the main article about Naxcivan, then a contrarian view should be included too -- not just Azerbaijan's denial of wrongdoing by the government, but Armenians' own admission of breaking, destroying and otherwise mishandling their own khachkars.

• Admins thats grade A stalking right there. Artaxiad 12:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

No mention of your socks? User talk:158.59.89.27, User talk:158.59.89.27, User talk:70.108.130.75 Artaxiad 12:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Artaxiad (Nareklm), unlike you, "my" socks were never proven and cannot be, as that's not me -- in fact, since when did I start working for the Government of the State of Virginia, as one of the IPs shows? In fact, admin Khoikhoi admitted that there is no direct evidence and of course Check User revealed that I post only under my name, use no anons and socks -- which seems like your prerogative, as you got pretty good at it with user "Mikara" and IP anons. Meanwhile, the second IP is mine - and I've never concealed it, I've always posted under it and expressed bewilderment and amusement that posting under it would be used against me by some. I've discussed it at length on my Talk page and other pages. --AdilBaguirov 12:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I only reverted about 4 times on that sock, which I was warned the next time I do it I would be blocked so I stopped, and you live in Alexandria, Virgina If I'm not mistaken who else would it be? I never used anons to revert only "Mikara" which I apologized to admins. Artaxiad 12:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

That's good to know that you've "appologized to admins", although you shouldn't have done it in the first place, as you were well aware of the rules. Meanwhile, Alexandria is a big city, and different from city of Arlington, which the IP appears to be from. In case you didn't know, there is a sizeable Azerbaijani community in the Washington DC area, and it is fairly active -- just held a demonstration a few days ago over Khojaly massacre by Armenian military in 1992. I'm obviously not the only Azerbaijani to inhabit the Greater Washington DC area (such as Arlington, Alexandria, Washington, etc), where 5 million people live. Anyhow, the Check User showed clearly that I cannot be blamed, whilst you have been using socks and IP anons. --AdilBaguirov 08:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a big Armenian community here and what? Those Ips appeared right after you were blocked so it can count as meat puppets, and the ip users did not complain if you're going to accuse me of something please provide evidence what ips? Artaxiad 09:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Here user Fadix reveals his dream to user Artaxiad . This explains who is the brains behind the concerted and organized effort on assaulting me on this and other pages, and why users Aivazovsky repeat the exact accusation (word-for-word) of users Artaxiad (Nareklm) and Fedayee (see above section of user Aivazovsky where I tackle this), and user Fedayee repeating user Artaxiad (Nareklm) . Fadix, whilst your advice to fellow editors is generally good, you should spend same time on NPOVing articles rather than plotting intrigues against me. --AdilBaguirov 10:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring and constant reverts by User:Fadix and User:Artaxiad (aka User:Nareklm)and others

There was edit warring by several users against my edits on at least 3 pages. Despite my edits being completely compliant with verifiability clause of Misplaced Pages's policy, as well as being from authoritative sources and in fact, in some cases, these bibliographic citations were supplied by unrelated third parties like user Ali Doostzadeh, nevertheless, they were constantly removed and supressed by the triumvirat (sometimes quattro- and penta-virat) of editors, against the evidence presented on each talk pages and even agreement to it by admins, such as Gobez on the Nagorno-Karabakh page.

1) Here's from the Tigranes the Great page, from which the comprehensively discussed (on Talk page), fully sourced and verifiable reference was constantly removed (by users TigranTheGreat, Eupator and Artaxiad) -

Ironically, on the Nakhichevan page, these editors inserted a reference from the Jewish Encyclopedia about Armenian and Jewish families transferred from that region to Persia, but in the article itself it also mentions that Tigranes the Great's family origin was Parthian ("When Vagharshak, brother of the Parthian king Mithridates I., and the founder of the Arshak dynasty, ascended the throne of Armenia 150 B.C.") -- which I pointed out twice in my edit summaries

2) Here's from the Nakhichevan page, from which my and other traditional references were removed (by users ROOB323, Eupator and Artaxiad) but ironically, agreed to by user Aivazovsky

3) Here's from the Nagorno-Karabakh page, from which my expanded demographics-census table (to include all known censuses and not start the date from arbitrary POV), despite being fully sourced, discussed and approved by such admins as Golbez and not reverted by other active admins such as Khoikhoi, is being removed by most notably Fadix - --AdilBaguirov 12:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Constant reverts by User:ROOB323

User ROOB323 is mostly doing reverts, on pages that he never discusses, such as here and here .

Harassment by User:Eupator

User Eupator initiated a campaign of harrassment against me (by posting my photos, articles, links to other information that was unrelated to any of the discussions) on several pages, including on my own Talk page, for which got a verbal warning from admin Khoikhoi to stop it. --AdilBaguirov 02:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

More reverts and obstruction by User:ROOB323 and User:Artaxiad

First, users ROOB323 and Artaxiad have again resorted to reverting pages, in this case the page on Erivan_khanate. After I've edited it, in accordance with all the accumulated discussions on its own and other Talks pages, the users above (in this case ROOB323) reverted it .

I have re-iterated why my edits should stay, as they have removed: 1) stub about this page being part of Azerbaijan related pages; 2) that Erivan khanate was an Azerbaijani state (like other khanates, such as Karabakh, Naxcivan, Baku, Shirvan, Kuba, Sheki, etc) and was nominally independent at times, and at other times fully independent; that 3) khanate is not a principality (like melikdoms), but a state or kingdom (which is reflected in the military historians' John F. Baddeley presented quotes); and 4) that along with all Armenians, all Jews and all Muslims (Azerbaijanis and Kurds and Persians) were deported by Shah Abbas (discussed at length at the Nakhichevan page). All this has been discussed on other relevant pages, sometimes at length, plus several quotes were provided.

After I pointed out that I am tired of these constant reverts by these users, user ROOB323 made the following insulting and uncivil comments: . This is the type of pressure, insults and attacks I have to constantly endure from a group of several ideologically motivated editors here. --AdilBaguirov 10:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Why are you accusing me? I never reverted. Artaxiad 10:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

User Artaxiad (Nareklm) has just been found making a false statement, and deliberately misquoting at the Erivan_khanate page! First off, the quote user Artaxiad provides is not on page 145, but page 149. Secondly, what he quotes is actually a FOOTNOTE, not the text itself, and is preceeded by the following actual comment by the author, John William Kaye: "The characteristic words of the Russian manifesto, announcing these events, are worth quoting: --"Obliged to pursue enemy..." (the full page is available here ) In other words, what Artaxiad (Nareklm) has quoted, is not] Artaxiad 11:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC) the words of Mr. Kaye, but the statement of the Russian manifesto -- which was written by an ethnic Armenian, Col. Lazarev -- his role in Turkmenchay Treaty and the Russian-Iranian-Azerbaijani war of 1826-1828 is well documented by Sergey Glinka in his 1831 book, published in the Lazarev's Institute (which I also have). It is very unfortunate, that not only Artaxiad does not provide a correct bibliographic citation for the quote, getting wrong the page number, and not providing details of the publishing house, place of publication, year of publication, etc., but also resorts to a blatant misquotation attempt by falsely attributing the sentence not to its original author -- an ethnic Armenian Colonel Lazarev writing the Russian manifesto -- but to the British author Kaye. And all this while disregarding other presented quotes and evidence on the Talk page, and reverting the correct edits performed by myself designed to NPOV the article -- i.e., mention that along with all Armenians, all Jews and Muslims were resettled by Shah Abbas, etc. Very, very sad that some editors stop at nothing.

Moreover, by immediately inserting the quote after ROOB323's revert, and participating on the pages' Talk page (where he was able to see my complaint first), user Artaxiad (Nareklm) did not do anything to correct his partners' groundless revert -- which makes him very supportive of it, and hence, almost as responsible as ROOB323 for the illegitimate revert made. --AdilBaguirov 10:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, stop making up stuff I got that from books.google.com, and remain civil. Artaxiad 10:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Narek, it is obvious that it is you who is making up quotes by misattributing them -- just like it was you who used sock puppets. I am not making ANYTHING up -- I've even posted that page in full , which is also from Google books, and it's page 149, not 145, and it's from a footnote and is quoted by Mr. Kaye from a Russian manifesto, not writing himself! You should be appologizing not just to admins this time, Narek, but the entire Misplaced Pages community for trying to false attribute this quote, to essentially make a forgery. This is what happens when one cannot honestly debate and discuss, and has to resort to constant reverts and forgeries. --AdilBaguirov 10:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• Oh yes so If I accidental misplace a page that means I'm the devil and falsifying facts? how do you know it wasn't an accident? you really need to calm down. It's on BOTH pages, http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC61949823&id=FmUBAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA145&lpg=RA1-PA145&dq=History+of+the+War+in+Afghanistan+ancient+armenia

The problem is not as much your unscholarly citation, which omits year of publication, place of publication, publishing house and edition, but the fact that you have quoted a FOOTNOTE which in turn is a quote from a RUSSIAN MANIFESTO authored by Col. Lazarev, an ethnic Armenian -- and is not the writing of and opinion of British author Mr. Kaye. This is a serious fraud, when one deliberately misquotes and misattributes to fit his POV. --AdilBaguirov 16:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by user:Dacy69

Personal attacks and Edit Revenge by user:Fadix and user:Fedayee

On page Armenian Revolutionary Federation I made edit based on the referenced information. I wanted add more sources and more information but the page got protected. Without much discussion user Fadix insulted me 2 times and threatened with edit revenge on other Wiki pages . User Fedayee also insulted me, in supporting Fadix claim . I filed 2 complaints about personal attacks but no measure has been taken except warning for 1st insults after which Fadix insulted a second time. I requested assistance on that dispute . No feedback thus far.

Edit War by user:Eupator and user:TigranTheGreat

On page Urartu I requested Assistance (mediation offer was not accepted by opponents ), got it and resolved my dispute. (We argued about a section of Ethnic Composition) But then my opponents (user:Eupator and user:TigranTheGreat) made another attempt to reintroduce their arguments and created another chapter (Urartu and Armenian Ethnogenesis) and for that purpose continued deleting my edits there.

Other pages

There are other pages which needs DR - Monte Melkonian, where I have requested third opinion and made mediation offer to user:Vartanm, and Armenians where user:ROOB323, user:Vartanm and user:Eupator made rv of well-known facts and reputable references.

Evidence presented by user:ROOB323

False Accusations, Blinde Reverts and Revange against Armenian related articles by User:Grandmaster

Like I said in the page I'll say it in this page also. User:Grandmaster doesn't even read what he is reverting as long as he sees that an Armenian user has added information he blindly removes it without even examining and reading the content just like in this article . I did some re-arrangements and spell checks and improved the article, but it was reverted back by User:Grandmaster without looking what he is reverting. This shows that User:Grandmaster reverts Armenian users edits without even reading the content that he is reverting. It is disrespectful when you put a lot of efforts to an article and someone comes and reverts it back to their own views, without even reading the content that they are reverting. Also, User:Grandmaster accused me of coordination with banned user by saying "coordination of your rv activty with banned user" but he doesn't even have a prove of his false accusations towards me. Furthermore, User:Grandmaster is now using a new strategy against Armenian related articles by listing them for deletion without giving and solid reasons only stating it is POW and should be deleted and all the other Azeri users supporting him . Since that article was created by an Armenian user he wans it deleted in revange of this Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.

False Accusations, Misplaced Pages Rule Violation, Edit Warring by User:AdilBaguirov

User:AdilBaguirov sometimes tried to force his views with telling lies that his version is "discussed version with compromise wording reverting it is not the option" , but if you look at the discussion page, there was still no compormoise. He tries to achive his goals by pressuring other users to accept their points of view. Furthermore, User:AdilBaguirov in this page violated the 3RR , and and accused me of vandalising the page, and , just because his views did not match with the viwes of mine and I was only reverting to an older version which was there before until a comprimise could be made.

Here we go again. User:AdilBaguirov reverted History of Nagorno-Karabakh article without even participating in the discussion page, without any reasons and not even reading what he has reverted. It seems that User:AdilBaguirov and User:Grandmaster both revert in cordination with each other. Since User:Grandmaster reverted the article a few hours ago and was warned that he can only revert once and "removals and additions should be piecemeal and explained on this talk page and in the edit summary" , his buddy User:AdilBaguirov came in without any discussions and started reverting back and trying to start an edit warring . Alos, before User:AdilBaguirov came in and started reverting, without participating in the discussion page. I wrote in the talk page that we should discuss and not revert the article until there is a compromise , but since User:Grandmaster, but User:AdilBaguirov ignored and did what he is good at and that is starting an edit war.

While I've addressed this particular user in my own section, I wanted to point out that as an expert on Azerbaijan and on Karabakh history, and conflict, I've participated EXTENSIVELY on many different pages about it, providing not only arguments, but also pure quotes, references, facts, citations, etc., -- whilst ROOB323 did not. In fact, until February 18, he did not post anything on the Talk page of the History of Nagorno-Karabakh, and when he did, it was concerning reverts only, nothing about facts, quotes, specific statements, etc. That's because user ROOB323 is doing mostly reverts, not participating in discussions. --AdilBaguirov 09:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

User:AdilBaguirov once again has started another edit war in the Erivan khanate article, which is another Armenian related article that he has started to push his POW . Adding information that does not have any references and which was not discussed. He edited the article without even discussing. Than he comes here and crys about me reverting without participating in the discussion pagees of other articles.

First, user ROOB323 has again resorted to reverting pages, in this case the page on Erivan_khanate. After I've edited it, in accordance with all the accumulated discussions on its own and other Talks pages, ROOB323 reverted it without need or discussion of facts .

I have re-iterated why my edits should stay, as they have removed: 1) stub about this page being part of Azerbaijan related pages; 2) that Erivan khanate was an Azerbaijani state (like other khanates, such as Karabakh, Naxcivan, Baku, Shirvan, Kuba, Sheki, etc) and was nominally independent at times, and at other times fully independent; that 3) khanate is not a principality (like melikdoms), but a state or kingdom (which is reflected in the military historians' John F. Baddeley presented quotes); and 4) that along with all Armenians, all Jews and all Muslims (Azerbaijanis and Kurds and Persians) were deported by Shah Abbas (discussed at length at the Nakhichevan page). All this has been discussed on other relevant pages, sometimes at length, plus several quotes were provided.

After I pointed out that I am tired of these constant reverts by these users, user ROOB323 made the following insulting and uncivil comments: . This is the type of pressure, insults and attacks I have to constantly endure from a group of several ideologically motivated editors here. --AdilBaguirov 16:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Blinde Reverts and Cordination of his Reverts with Azeri users against Armenian users by User:Atabek

User:Atabek also does blinde reverts with his friend User:Grandmaster without paying attention of the content he is reverting this shows that this two users cordinate their edits together and revert anything back that was added by an Armenian user.

Evidence presented by user:Fadix

I request from the Arbitrators to wait until a significant part of my evidences are presented so that they start deliberating. There is just too much, new evidences are comming on the organization by some members too.

AdilBaguirov and the locking of articles

What happens to the articles user:AdilBaguirov touched just after he registered and before he took his vacation

First article AdilBaguirov touched, result: LOCKED

user:AdilBaguirov first contribution on Misplaced Pages was on May 13, 2006 and it was on Nezami article. . He made only one edit on that date; and his second edit was only 10 days later, on May 23, 2006 on which date he made a series of edits on the article. , , , , , , , , , . He revert the article with his text on May 31, 2006. , hours later engage in the edit war again, again and again. , , . He further continues few days later. , , tag a revert as minor , then continue , , this chene f event engaged by user:AdilBaguirov turned the article into a war front and an Administrator had to lock the article on the same day.

Special note: the article Nezami was created on January 17, 2004 and before AdilBaguirov introduced himself it never was protected.

• When AdilBaguirov left the article, during his vacation period, the article was never protected.

Second article AdilBaguirov touched, result: Doesn’t apply, minor edit.

The second article he contributed in was Ali-Agha Shikhlinski, with a minor edit about some Azeri military figure, this one hasn’t created any edit war. Something rare.

Third article AdilBaguirov touched, result: LOCKED

Koryun, he first edited it on June 1, 2006 , again this escaladed into a revert war when user:AdilBaguirov again reverted on June 7, 2006 and started edit warring. , , , , , , . After the intense edit warring on June 10, 2006 which was started the day user:AdilBaguirov started contributing on the article, an Administrator has locked the article.

Special note: the article Koryun was created on December, 2005 and before AdilBaguirov introduced himself it never was protected.

• When AdilBaguirov left the article, during his vacation period, the article was never protected.

Fourth article AdilBaguirov touched, result: LOCKED

The fourth article user:AdilBaguirov contributed in, was Tigran the Great , reverted; in June 7, 2006 he finally decide to engage in a revert war. , , , , , , . As a result an admin locked the article.

Special note: the article Tigran the Great was created on February 14, 2003 and before AdilBaguirov introduced himself it never was protected.

• When AdilBaguirov left the article, during his vacation period, the article was never protected.

Fifth article AdilBaguirov touched, result: LOCKED

The fifth article user:AdilBaguirov contributed in was the one on Nakhichevan, he started editing it on June 9, 2006 and edit warred the same day he started editing it. , , , , , , . The edit war was stopped when an administrator protected the article.

Sixth article AdilBaguirov touched, result: LOCKED

The sixth article user:AdilBaguirov touched was Nagorno-Karabakh, he first edited it on June 9 2006 , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . At this point it is important to note that a process of mediation brought two administrators user:Golbez and Francis Tyers were moderating the article and trying to reach consensus, but with the continual reverts of user:AdilBaguirov he disturbed the mediation. , , , , , . He left the article alone a little bit untiluser:Golbez announced he would be away a little bit just a day later on July 6, 2006 user:AdilBaguirov resumed his edit warring, , , , , , , , , , , , , . The edit warring was stopped by an administrator by locking the article. . This was what user:Golbez had to say about it.

Conclusion

So on... The articles user:AdilBaguirov touched were closed one after the other. I have searched in previous arbitration cases to find a user who had such a correlation between him editing an article and it, as a consequence, being locked. My search in previous rulings didn’t give any results if I exclude vandals.

December 10, 2006 AdilBaguirov back from vacation, edit warring resume

On that date he starts back from where he left.

First article he touch after his vacation, result: LOCKED

Urartu, he starts edit warring , . The edit war two days later ended up with the article being locked. The last lock before that was on May 26, 2005 which was because a banned user was edit warring.

Second article he touch after his vacation, result: LOCKED

Armenia , , locked two days later. . But being honest, this time he shared the blame.

Third article he touch after his vacation, result: LOCKED

Mammed Amin Rasulzade, AdilBaguirov started contributing on January 24, 2007, , , , , , , , , , . To stop the edit war, the article was locked. This article was never locked before.

Fourth article he touch after his vacation, result: LOCKED

Azerbaijan , , , , . The article got locked.

And so on and on, result: LOCKED

And so on. It is at this point needless to say that near all articles AdilBaguirov started editing were soon locked as a result. But I will restrict here some example from the articles he has locked before he took his vacation and later what happened to them when he came back of his vacation. Nakhichevan, AdilBaguirov contribute on January 27, 2007 , , , , , . The article gets locked the same day.

He touch Stepanakert , , , , , , , , , , , , , . The article get locked. The last time before that the article was locked was May 26, 2005.

I will be skipping many articles which were locked, if the Arbcom needs further example to justify my position that only this alone should be enough to indefinitely block AdilBaguirov I will furnish them. And this is one the first part of my evidence.

Another case is Nagorno Karabakh article; hard reached concessions brought some peace to the article until AdilBaguirov decided to contribute back. , , , , . The article gets locked. for a week. AdilBaguirov continue later against the consensus version which took months to reach. , , . The article got locked again.

Again, again and again. LOCKED, LOCKED and LOCKED!!! Other examples necessary???

I will not start drawing regression curve, for R and R2, on the correlation between AdilBaguirov presence and the closure of an article, neither the causality, but suffice to say that when AdilBaguirov touch an articles namespace there is at least 50% chances that the article will get locked as a consequence!!!

Note on Golbez comment on the conflict situation: The reason why the conflict seemed to calm down was not only because it spread, but also because AdilBaguirov took a vacation, when he left there was some fragile peace. He later brought with him Dacy69 and Atabek. This part will be covered in the second part of my evidence.

Dacy69 comes into the picture

The first edit he makes was on December 9, 2006 one day before AdilBaguirov returned from his vacation; Result LOCKED

user:Dacy69 edited Yerevan article as his first edit. , and later on in the next days he start edit warring. , , , , , , , . Result, the article had to be locked.

This article was never locked before.

Second article he edits is Urartu starting on December 10, 2006; Result LOCKED

Urartu , , , , , , , . The last lock before that was on May 26, 2005 which was because a banned user was edit warring.

Third article he edits is Armenia, he start editing on December 10, 2006; Result LOCKED

Armenia , , , , , . The article, locked.

Fourth article he edits is Preventive Diplomacy

and I congratulate him here for it. Since no locking.

Fifth article he edits is Paytakaran; Result LOCKED

Paytakaran , , , the article gets protected.

Sixth article, Armenia is unprotected, so Dacy69 resumes the edit warring; Result LOCKED

Armenia , , , , , , . And of course, again the article got locked.

Seventh article, Urartu is unprotected, so Dacy69 resumes the edit warring; Result LOCKED

Urartu , , , , , , . The article gets locked. To be honest, this time a banned member had also a large part of the blame to share.

Conclusion

Touch, touch, touch and touch, lock, lock and lock, ... and lock. I will stop there.

I may have missed articles in between, some he hasn’t contributed much, but not much, the rest of the articles locked were not included, since most of his edits result with the closure of the article he edits. I will stop there; unless the Arbcom need I enumerate each article he has touched which got blocked as a consequence. They are just too much for me to enumerate. Let just say like user:AdilBaguirov, there are at least 50% chances that the article user:Dacy69 touch will get locked as a consequences.

Now just imagine, user:Dacy69 acting as the meatpuppet of user:AdilBaguirov what was the result(not to say what will happen when user:Atabek comes). The meat puppet stuff will be the last parts of my evidence series. I apologise to the Arbcom for the number of evidences I will be providing, I do not choose how many abuses there are, they just are there and I am reporting them as accurately as possible.

Atabek comes in

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Socks and meat puppets

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Organization and premeditation

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Invasion of non Armenian-Azerbaijani matters articles related to the Armenians

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Overal

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specific

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Racism

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Grandmaster supports and defend edit warriors just because they are Azeri making things more difficult

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Defending myself against false accusations

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Evidences that do not fit in other categories

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Evidence presented by User:Golbez

I only have this old diff from July 2006, the background of which was already mentioned in Fadix's evidence: . It contains a log of reverts (unfortunately not linked) while I was away from the article, leaving it without a real moderator for a few days. I considered Adil and Grandmaster the primary issues then, though in my experience since, Grandmaster seems to have tempered a bit. Adil has not. I suggested arbitration seven months ago to get him to stop editing the article, but things seemed to calm down. It would appear the conflict simply spread to other articles that I was not involved in. --Golbez 12:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• I would like to highlight here that barrage of accusations brought up against User:AdilBaguirov ignores a simple fact, any edit warring by definition has two sides not a single side of the conflict. The objective of this barrage concentration on this particular user is clear. User:AdilBaguirov made the most cited and sourced contributions, in particular at Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh, we have all witnessed User:Fadix trying very hard to remove the well sourced table at ] presenting percentage of Armenians and Azerbaijanis residing in the region for the last two centuries, including Armenian sources. It's interesting to note that User:Golbez was actually reverting the page from User:Fadix and not from User:AdilBaguirov indicating that there is an edit war ]. While, the comment ] clearly shows that User:AdilBaguirov was cooperating with User:Golbez. Also User:Golbez's recent revert of ] removing a small but important link in reference section, raises some eyebrows about NPOV in this regard. Khojaly Massacre committed in 1992 in Nagorno-Karabakh has a direct relationship to the Nagorno-Karabakh topic, as it was committed in the course of communal warfare, which defined NK. This would sound rather similar to removing a reference to Auschwitz from a Nazi page as an irrelevant reference. Atabek 18:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Golbez, I hardly can be blamed since I've done less reverts and less editing on the NK page than users such as Fadix, Nareklm (Artaxiad), ROOB323 and others. Instead, I've posted pages of quotes and sources to the Talk page. Unfortunately, problems with the NK page, like with other pages, persist, and existed long before my active involvement. The abovementioned users have been actively reverting all edits, sometimes automatically with total disregard to verifiable facts, and used their numerical superiority to the full extent, being unable to deal on the qualitative level. One example is the fuller demographics table, which they (Fadix in particular) always try to remove no matter what -- despite every single number/data having a proper, verifiable citation.

Since you use the term "temper" to measure myself, as well as GM, versus others, then perhaps you should take a look at the lively, one-way barrage of personal insults, harassment and uncivil behavior of such users as Fadix. Since his insults were reported, and sometimes action was taken against them, it is easy to see that Fadix and others are more temperamental. Also, once more, the above users have done far more reverts than I have ever done, so by no measure can I be blamed anymore than the above users. --AdilBaguirov 08:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by User:Fedayee

Generalisation attack and instigating comments by User:AdilBaguirov/User:Atabek

It is frustrating to know that the people you are trying to resolve this conflict with view all Armenians as Turkic hating people. It is this kind of emotion that makes editors act in bad faith, to try their best to make the Armenians look back. What I am implying is this . In this statement by User:AdilBaguirov, he generalizes all Armenians as Turkic hating people. This is an obvious attempt to ignite tensions between Turks and Armenians, which is already emotional due to the Armenian Genocide. Any veteran wikipedia user will know that Turkish and Armenian editors rarely see eye-to-eye. The Hrant Dink article was a step forward in cooperation, of course this would ire Mr. Baguirov. So what could he do? Well he will try and broaden the current conflict. Then he goes on to give me a speech on why I should change my nickname , something that I view as an insult. He goes on to try and give me a history about the word "fidain", which is proven to be wrong because he obviously does not know anything about the history of the word, or Armenians for that matter. He goes on the compare Armenians to...get this, SS Stormtroopers! Of course, we always have that ASALA comment as well, this is all found in the same link provided previously.

user:Atabek participated in the revert war on the Armenian Revolutionary Federation article and tried to deny history by saying the following during a revert: (actually Karabakh is an irrelevant topic on ARF page, it's a disputed territory, and there are several pages devoted to it.) This statement shows under what intentions this user is editing. He points out that "karabakh is a disputed territory", something every Armenian and Azeri knows. What does that have to do with not writing about the ARF's involvment in Karabagh? This is an instigating comment at the involvment of many users.

So to sum it up, User:AdilBaguirov does not like Armenians much.

as already said, user user:Fedayee does not contribute much on any Talk pages, particularly rarely contributes any sources, quotes, etc. Instead, he comes in and reverts pages whenever he feels like.

Check ARF page if you don't think I contribute. Again this is a generalising argument you use against all Armenians. - Fedayee 16:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Secondly, as I've expressed to him my indignation over his choice of nickname (username), as this etymologically Arabic term, adopted by Armenian para-military, is indeed synonymous with Nazi SS for all Azerbaijanis, particularly those from Karabakh like myself. It is easy to check online the number of self-congratulatory stories and blogs about the "courageous" fedayee, who have been killing and massacring innocent Azerbaijani civilians -- about 10,000 Azerbaijani civilians were killed by these "fedayee" (obviously, not counting military casualties). Hence, this nickname is very offensive and disturbing to be used at such a community.

My nickname dates back to the late 1800s, I already told you this and now you are going around in circles just so you can have a final say. It has nothing to do with your inflated deaths in Azerbaijan, there was nothing called Azerbaijan back then. And please, spare me from your POV, I don't like you telling me what to do and how to think about my nickname or Armenian history which you have corrupted. - Fedayee 16:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

This is the type of constant insults and attacks that I am talking about -- "there was nothing called Azerbaijan back then". Why don't you open history books and find out for yourself that the toponym Azerbaijan is at least 2,300 years old?! And I've posted several historic references from Russian and British sources from before the late 1880s that mention Azerbaijan -- not to mention the existance of the Atabeg State of Azerbaijan (12-13 centuries), and bunch of references from medieval Arab historians and geographers! As of your "nickname", it can date back even centuries -- as its an Arabic word and imported by ASALA terrorists from Lebanon and Syria to ex-USSR during the Karabakh war (before the war, no Armenian source used this term). The fact remains -- this name is highly offensive, and I repeat once more that to all, without exception, Azerbaijanis, this nickname is tantamount to "nicknames" like "KKKmember" or "StormTrooperSS" or "BinLadenFollower". It's unfortunate that out of millions of nicknames one would choose a nickname that is permanently associated with wrongdoings, human rights violations, massacres and slaughters -- such as Khojaly massacre, the largest such "heroic" slaughter of over 600 innocent civilians in one night by the "great" fedayee. It's sad that an Armenian, who has other things/people to be genuinly proud of - how about "SayatNova" or "KirkKirkorian" - would choose such a red-flag nickname to cause irritation. --AdilBaguirov 16:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I was reffering to the existance of an Azeri state which did not exist. Anyway you are again wrong about my nickname. Anyone who fought in the Ottoman Empire in the 1800s was termed "fedayee", stop giving me a history lesson. Everything you are saying is your own POV and this has no place here in Misplaced Pages. Keep your emotions to yourself, you are assuming too much and your assumptions are as negative as your edits which have been highlited throughout this arbitration. And I find it cute that you are trying to "look good" now that you are on the verge of a block by naming me Sayat Nova and Kirk Kerkorian (why him? lol) to show that you appreciate the Armenian culture. Anyway this is not a forum, and you aren't actually suppost to respond to other people's evidence, you will have a chance to do that in the near future.

Thirdly, user Fedayee is simply resorting to a very unfortunate and cheap character assassination when he claims that I don't "like Armenians much" -- despite my earlier response to a similar provocation from user Nareklm (Artaxiad) here Moreover, user Fedayee takes my comment directed at users Fadix, Aivazovsky and Nareklm (Artaxiad) -- that they are anti-Azerbaijani and anti-Turkic -- and makes an out of context statement that: "he generalizes all Armenians as Turkic hating people". What's ironic is that user Fedayee provides the diff which clearly shows that my response was to the 3 users who constantly attack, insult, harrass and provoke me.

The fact that you said that to three people doesn't change the fact that it's still a hate-motivated comment. When I saw the comment and responded to you, you gave me the same crap. You could've easily said that to any Armenian. You said that to Aivazovsky and Fadix and what's ironic about those two is that both of em have/want good relations with Turkic editors. Fadix already explained to you in the talk and Aivazovsky is the only person to have had a userbox that says he wants peace between Azerbaijan and Armenians. - Fedayee 16:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

"Crap"? No sir, that's not my prerogative, but you know who's. And Fadix can claim even being a Boz Gurd member and drinking kumis everyday, that won't change the fact that he is anti-Azerbaijani and anti-Turkish. Actions speak louder than words about having "great" (or was it just "good"?) relations with unknown and unspecified supposedly "Turks". --AdilBaguirov 16:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Finally, just to show once more how sloppy user Fedayee is and is driven only by low qualities of revenge and blind hate, he once again accuses me of smth I have not done, and once more provides a diff for it. On the diff about ARF he provides , it has user Atabek, not me. However, whilst Atabek, as all other users, is limited in what he/she can express in the EDIT SUMMARY line, he did correct the outrageously false statement about Karabakh being "assigned" to Azerbaijan in 1920s -- a subject thoroughly discussed on Misplaced Pages, and evidence from ARMENIAN websites presented showing this to be untrue. It's unfortunate that some propagandists persist with groundless and hastily made claims. --AdilBaguirov 08:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah my bad, I got mixed up by all the different users, I changed it to the corresponding username so you stop going nuts over a simple human error. - Fedayee 16:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

So I am going "nuts", whilst you, the wrongful accuser, are doing all the right things and are the cool guy? Interesting logic. If you want people to stop going "nuts", then stop wrongfully accusing them for a change. --AdilBaguirov 16:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The term "terrorism" and User:Dacy69/User:Atabek

User:Dacy69 and User:Atabek's negative contributions to every Armenian article has led to the shut down of many of them including the Armenian Revolutionary Federation article I've been working on in relative peace for months now, w/ NPOV users/admins helping me out. I would like to start by saying that User:Dacy69 tried to instigate a personal attack from me by saying the following during one of his reverts, in his edit summary: (it is wiki, it's not battleground - there is no place for 'fidayins'. You should respect knowledge and be equipped with that. pls respect referenced info) This is an insult to my nickname and is only said to anger me and to expect a personal attack which he could therefore use to get me blocked. That reporting system is flawed because it is only used to silence an editor opposing one's views. Anyway User:Dacy69 and User:Atabek seem to be on a coordinated mission to attach the word "terrorism" with Armenian articles. The one that baffled me was this attempt in linking Osama Bin Laden out of all people, to Armenia. Bad faith and ridiculous. They have also disturbed in Armenian Revolutionary Federation article by trying to add "terrorism" to it with a reference provided by User:Dacy69 that is unreliable because it is an anti-ARF reference. Another attempt by User:Atabek to add the famous word of "terrorism" to ARF came in the source of something that has already been discussed in the article itself, clearly showing that these editors do not read the Armenian articles in which they try to add the word "terrorism" but only assume that all Armenians will act in bad faith and not cover certain material. The article already covers all this and if he was to read the article, he would know that these charges were fraudulently created by a previous Armenian president.

Furthermore, User:Atabek's emotions blind him when he edits articles. Here he states that "26 dead (Armenians) against thousands of Azeris butchered". His simple use of the word "dead" to refer to Armenian victims and the use of the word "butchered" to refer to Azeri victims is ambiguous and sad.

User:Dacy69 also uses words like "punishment" against me and User:Fadix. "and I hope this will sort out who are wrong, who are smart and punishment will come who can't conduct a decent dispute" Punishment? what are we now... criminals? He has obviously taken this entire thing to the next level by considering that we need punishment. - Fedayee 00:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• I have provided sufficient information at Talk:Armenian Revolutionary Federation to justify the linkage of ARF to terrorism. First and foremost example is Monte Melkonian, an ARF member, who became one of the heads of ASALA, a terrorist organization as recognized by the U.S. State Department here ], here ] and here ]. Another example, was one of the leaders of ARF in Armenia, Vahan Hovhanessian, who states that he is proud of having killed 25,000 Azeris (the article is quoted at Talk:Armenian Revolutionary Federation). Interestingly, not only I became a subject of attacks on ARF Talk page for trying to post evidence, but also, when I tried to add the State Department reference to Wiki page Monte Melkonian, the leader of ASALA, yet another Armenian contributor User:Vartanm with support from User:ROOB323 reverted and removed my edits ]. As I said earlier, it's sad that in the passion of ethnocentric nationalism, such individuals as Monte Melkonian and Varoujan Garabedian, who have taken innocent civilian lives in various terrorist attacks in 1980s, are promoted to the level of heroes in Armenia and now by some Armenian users in Misplaced Pages. Monte Melkonian page claims (thanks to Armenian contributors) that he was Armenian military commander in Karabakh and a member of Armenian guerilla organization ASALA. Now let me rephrase that in modern terms, Osama Bin Laden is Arab military commander in Afghanistan and a member of Muslim guerilla organization Al Qaeda. Does that express the reality without proper reference to how the relevant person and the organization are referred to? Regarding the usage of words, I suggest Fedayee to look at evidence videos here ], yes, those same images that User:Artaxiad/User:Nareklm successfully purged out of Misplaced Pages, while reality and truth are still out there. And let User:Fedayee after watching the video of "heroism", tell us if this is called anything other than butchering. Atabek 08:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop trying to link the ARF with ASALA, i've been over this and you are going in circles. Obviously you haven't read Monte Melkonian's article either. Monte Melkonian hated the ARF...find me one list where the ARF is included as terrorists. And that is why they openly have community centers in over 200 countries and are not banished or arrested...right? And we've gone over the Vahan Hovanessian thing too. I have said enough about this and you are just not going over and over the same stuff. Anyway we are going over content and this is not what the Arbitration is made to deal for. - Fedayee 16:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)