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Good article reassessment for Project 86

Project 86 has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 02:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Christmas in Russia, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Misplaced Pages's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot 00:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

Requested move at Talk:De Coelesti Hierarchia#Requested move 15 August 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:De Coelesti Hierarchia#Requested move 15 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 16:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Unreferenced stubs

Hi all, hope everyone is ok and well.

I’ve been going through the United Kingdom christian monastery stubs, and have noticed that there are a few of unreferenced one-lined stubs in there. I’ve been trying my best to tag as many as possible, and also to add these to my watchlist, but I’m still going through tagging them as unreferenced at the moment to get a scope of how many of these unreferenced stubs there are.

I’d appreciate if I could get some help with these unreferenced stubs that seem to have gone under the radar slightly. Some of these within the Dorest area have been improved and expanded, or redirected after being tagged.

Some of the stubs within this category are fine with references, but something needs to be done about those that are not. It’s going to take a while to sort all of these stubs out, so I’d appreciate all the help that users may like to give. Likewise, I don’t want to pressure anyone into thinking they must help. Fats40boy11 (talk) 08:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

In hand - I like monasteries. Ingratis (talk) 10:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Are they categorized? That would help in finding them. Secondly, do these go back to 2006 or before? In those days, verifiability requirements were pretty lax, and maybe a lot of them are notable and worth working on. If they are recent, they should never have made it through WP:AFC, and if experienced editors are releasing them that way, there is a problem. Ingratis, thanks for stepping up. Mathglot (talk) 11:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Fats40boy11 is referring specifically to UK monastery stubs created by a mass creator of unreferenced stubs (not only on monasteries), who was blocked in 2010. So there is no AFC problem! Most of his/her monastery stubs have already been referenced/expanded over the course of the years. The ones remaining are either pretty obscure or have titles slightly out of focus. They are nearly all turning out to be notable, in which case, I'm adding refs, or if not, are redirectable. As I say, I like monasteries. Ingratis (talk) 11:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

AFD

I'm not sure if this AFD will be of any interest but it wasn't put through any deletion sorting so I thought I'd alert you all: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Children of Eber. The article is unsourced and needs a lot of work and so far, opinion on the AFD is mixed. Liz 01:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Swedish emigration to the United States

User:Buidhe has nominated Swedish emigration to the United States for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Vampire

I have nominated Vampire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Top-level Importance of Hegel page?

I think this assessment is either a mistake or an act of vandalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Georg_Wilhelm_Friedrich_Hegel. PatrickJWelsh (talk) 18:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Concur that it's inflated; suggest a downgrade to "High". ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:00, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Odd edits

What do you think about Special:Contributions/HIPPOCLIDES? tgeorgescu (talk) 07:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

It's interesting that the editor is changing birth and death dates in the infoboxes that have no support in the articles themselves. That is, neither the original dates nor the changed ones have any reliable sources. If tradition has handed down any dates or ages at the time of death, then that information should be included in the articles; otherwise, the infobox should show only approximate dates. Indyguy (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Assistance needed for Draft:Joint Commission Of The Theological Dialogue Between The Orthodox Church And The Oriental Orthodox Churches

I need some help expanding the Unofficial Meetings and Official Dialogues section of this draft page.

Also, I'm certain the references for the four official dialogues have a primary source, however I can only seem to find secondary sources online. Perhaps the original is offline and/or in Greek? Contagious Owl (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Contagious Owl: I'll see what I can do but I have a concern that, outside of a few blogs and that PAGE source you relied heavily on, there isn't a formal body with that name. Maybe flesh that out a bit with any sources you may have? I'll check my ecumenical reference texts for anything that isn't already included. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Proposed deletion of Wes Nolden

The article Wes Nolden has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

In its 13.86 years on the site, this article has had—at best— two reliable sources previously, and those were oft subject to blanking by SPAs. With this re-write, only thee sources presented themselves, and the weightiest one is dubious. This has failed the notability guideline for longer than some productive editors have been alive, and even now doesn't meet muster.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fourthords: I've lodged an oppose on the PROD on WP:BISHOP grounds following a semi-productive BEFORE search. I think an AfD might still be appropriate, but I'll be in the weak keep camp. Thanks! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Joanik Basilovich

Hello, WikiProject,

I came across this draft as I was looking at expiring draft articles and I postponed deletion for another six months because it seems like it might be of interest to someone. It is supposedly translated from the Russian Misplaced Pages and it currently doesn't have sources so it's not an easy fix-up. I posted notices about it at the WikiProjects for Russia and Eastern Orthodoxy but they appear to be inactive so I thought I'd try here. It's kind of a long shot but maybe we have some religious history buffs who'd be willing to do a little research. Thank you! Liz 22:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for postponing. I'll take it on as I should have the relevant sourcing to bring this article to a state worth review. I will have time to actually do so this weekend. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: It's been two weeks and even historians in the church this guy was a part of couldn't find anything. I think we can delete. Thanks for the hold. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Crisis pregnancy center has an RFC

Crisis pregnancy center has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Please remember to adhere to WP:NPOV standards. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see the RFC? –Zfish118

Link has been fixed. Good eye. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Request for review

I've just written Guns into Plowshares, and it was approved and moved into the mainspace last night. Could someone do an assessment for this project, and let me know if there's anything in particular you think needs to be done to bring it to B class? (I know it needs a picture; I'll get one next time I'm in the area.) Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdhamilton (talk • contribs) 13:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Note: this has been done! Thanks. Brian (talk) 09:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pakalomattam family

As this family has ties to Christian history, editors may wish to comment here. All opinions are welcome.4meter4 (talk) 03:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Added keep vote. Brian (talk) 09:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for Josquin des Prez

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article review/Josquin des Prez/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

SSPX-affiliated religious orders: are they "Benedictine" etc., or an imitation?

I have had a disagreement on whether the SSPX-affiliated religious orders can be called "Dominican", "Benedictine", etc. My opinion is that they are not, since they are not part of the Dominican order, Benedictine order, etc. since the SSPX is outside of the Catholic Church.

@BohumilzBiliny: has stated that They are Benedictines, because they live under the Rule.

What do you say? Veverve (talk) 12:36, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Most religious orders adhere to some version of an ancient Rule. If this person says that SSPX lives by the Benedictine rule then they probably do. They live by whatever Rule was chartered for them originally when Rome approved their erection. SSPX is not "Benedictine" because they have a separate charism and do not live as a Benedictine family, but they live daily life according to that tradition. SSPX is not monastic, do not typically live in communities large enough to be considered monastic, and so they would necessarily need to modify that monastic Benedictine rule to their unique circumstances. Elizium23 (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

And just because an order is outside the Catholic Church does not mean they cease to be such-and-such. I know of plenty of Dominicans who are outside the Church because of LGBT issues, women's ordination, etc. They live as Dominicans and self-identify as such; they are every bit as Dominican as the Catholic ones except without communion. Elizium23 (talk) 13:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

To amplify what Elizium said: there's a long history of referring to orders by their spiritual tradition/rule regardless of whether or not they are part of the church said tradition or rule originated in. For example, the Church of England has maintained a revived Benedictine order for some time and there's a history of Benedictine monasticism in Eastern Orthodoxy. As such, any SSPX-affiliated body identified as "Benedictine" in reliable sources is for our purposes Benedictine. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but best to link it to Rule of Saint Benedict, not Benedictine, which says it is about the Catholic order, though with a long hatnote on others. Johnbod (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Johnbod. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: any SSPX-affiliated body identified as "Benedictine" in reliable sources is for our purposes Benedictine: the problem is that all the sources used in this article are primary sources from the SSPX itself. Veverve (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

There are also variations among the Anglicans and other branches of Christianity, see, for example: Order of St Benedict (Anglican). Dcheney (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Discussion moved to article talk page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:CHOPSY as Anti-Christian conspiracy

A long-standing editor stated at WP:ANI that WP:CHOPSY is an Anti-Christian WP:CABAL.

I get attacked by both sides, rather vigorously, and my personal view of it is that I'm not actually against Christianity at all, I'm against certain forms of fundamentalism and, and, so virtually everything I say in my book are things that Christian scholars of the New Testament readily agree with, it's just that they are not hard-core evangelicals who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. If you believe in the inerrancy of the Bible then I suppose I'd be the enemy, but there are lot of Christian forms of belief that have nothing to do with inerrancy.

— Bart Ehrman, Bart Ehrman vs Tim McGrew - Round 1 at YouTube

Is CHOPSY anti-inerrancy? Definitely. Is CHOPSY anti-fundamentalism? Definitely. Is CHOPSY Anti-Christian? Well, if you believe in biblical inerrancy, it is, otherwise the claim is risible. tgeorgescu (talk) 09:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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