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Citation Suggested

The rise of criticism against the WID approach led to the emergence of a new theory, that of Women and Development (WAD). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhum.group2 (talk • contribs) 17 May 2019 (UTC)

References

1. Muyoyeta, Lucy (2004). Women, Gender and Development (PDF). Zambia: Women for Change. ISBN 095351367X.

Citation suggested

In contemporary times, most literature and institutions that are concerned with women's role in development incorporate a GAD perspective, with the United Nations taking the lead of mainstreaming the GAD approach through its system and development policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhum.group2 (talk • contribs) 17 May 2019 (UTC)

References

1. United Nations. Office of the Special Adviser on Gender Issues, & Advancement of Women (2002). Gender Mainstreaming an Overview (PDF). New York: United Nations Publications.

C-class downgrade

CactiStaccingCrane, can you please elaborate on this downgrade to class C? You gave as the reason, downgrade to C-Class due to lack of citations, see also: Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles#Reassessment_of_Vital_articles .) This article has 205 citations, which at a size of 147 kb works out to 1 citation per 717 bytes. I checked another article in the gender space, Female genital mutilation, which has 257 citations in 177 kb, or 1 per 690 bytes, so roughly the same as this one. Yet, FGM is a featured article, so it would seem that this number of citations could be appropriate for a FA for other articles as well. So, at a minimum, I don't see that as a valid argument for a downgrade below FA, and since this one started out at 'B', I think it should be restored to 'B'. Mathglot (talk) 08:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Mathglot I agree with your reasoning. I should've been more through with my assessment. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the assessment review, and for your comments. (Needless to say, it could be subject to reassessment based on other factors, and as assessing editor shouldn't shy from that if applicable.) Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead sentence definition

I propose changing the lead sentence to something like:

• Gender is "the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with" the male or female sex in humans. Merriam-Webster

This is consistent with the current source (Palan, K. (2001)): "ender is the cultural definition of behavior defined as appropriate to the sexes in a given society at a given time." Kolya Butternut (talk) 01:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. If you check M-W's definition of gender role, you'll see that they don't have one. (But note that they do have gender identity.) So, I think they are adding the definition of gender role to gender, because they don't have another place for it. In fact, the definition you quoted, is pretty close to what I think of as a definition of gender role, and I don't think your proposed definition should be used here. Notice that it is only the 2b definition; why pick that one and not, say, the 2a definition, which it equates to the sex 1a definition? (Rhetorical question; definitely don't do that!) The point here being, a (good) dictionary lists *all* meanings of a term (not only the primary one) including less frequent usages. Here, they are listing *all* the ways that the word gender can be used, and it's true that it sometimes it is used to mean "sex" (as in 2a), and sometimes it is used to mean "gender role" (as in 2b). But in no way is 2b the primary definition of it, and we shouldn't cherrypick that version and imply that it is. Mathglot (talk) 09:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Is the subject of this article not the 2b meaning? If not, which dictionary definition of gender are we discussing here? Kolya Butternut (talk) 10:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Mathglot? Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. As to the questions, I think I'll bow out, and let more major contributors jump in. Not that I'm avoiding things—I may pop in later—but I'm a bit gendered out at WP articles for the moment, and need to lurk or play a more minor role here for a bit. But I will subscribe, and watch with interest, and rejoin, perhaps, at a later time. Thanks again! Mathglot (talk) 00:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

A better definition may include gender roles:

• Gender is "the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for" humans of a particular sex.

The article Gender roles may need to be merged here, or this article should be shortened to encompass just an overview of all of the concepts of gender. Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:13, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Or

• Gender is the roles and behavioral, social, cultural, and psychological characteristics that a society typically associates with humans of a particular sex.

"Socially constructed" is implied by "a given society typically associates with". I'm trying to simplify this to something like what Clicriffhard and Tewdar had discussed at Draft:Female (gender).Kolya Butternut (talk) 05:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

The source cited for the above suggestion states In biosocial terms, gender is not the same as sex at p. 33 and the above suggestion does not appear to be a quote. There is the artice sex and gender distinction, as well as the sources and the developing lead in Draft:Female (gender) that seem relevant to consider - there does not appear to be support for a definition of gender that is as strictly tied to "a particular sex". I think precision in terminology will be helpful, given the occasional overlap in informal uses of the words. Beccaynr (talk) 05:37, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, The Merriam-Webster source cited above includes a section titled "Are gender and sex the same? Usage Guide", which includes, Among those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits. In this dichotomy, the terms male and female relate only to biological forms (sex), while the terms masculine/masculinity, feminine/femininity, woman/girl, and man/boy relate only to psychological and sociocultural traits (gender).

The 2004 Encyclopedia of Women’s Health abstract cited after Merriam-Webster's above includes The definition of gender emphasizes psychological and cultural traits, whereas the definition of sex emphasizes structural and functional traits. Both definitions, however, include behavioral aspects.

The Palan, K. (2001) source cited above states: Sex refers to the individual's biological sex, that is, the biological one is born with. Gender, on the other hand, is more malleable. It refers to an individual's "psychological sex" which may be socially and culturally constructed. It quotes two sources for the quote cited above, for which the meaning seems more clear with the context provided by Palan.

In the 2007 Gender Differences in Determinants and Consequences of Health and Illness source cited above, it states: Gender refers to “the array of socially constructed roles and relationships, personality traits, attitudes, behaviours, values, relative power and influence that society ascribes to the two sexes on a differential basis. Gender is relational—gender roles and characteristics do not exist in isolation, but are defined in relation to one another and through the relationships between women and men, girls and boys” (1). Simply put, sex refers to biological differences, whereas gender refers to social differences. (citing Health Canada. Ottawa: Health Canada's gender-based analysis policy; 2000. p. 14.)

In the Oxford English Dictionary source cited above, it states: b. Psychology and Sociology (originally U.S.). The state of being male or female as expressed by social or cultural distinctions and differences, rather than biological ones; the collective attributes or traits associated with a particular sex, or determined as a result of one's sex. Also: a (male or female) group characterized in this way.

The 2005 book Gender Roles cited above says in its preface Gender encompasses biological sex but extends beyond it to the socially prescribed roles deemed appropriate for each sex by the culture in which we live. The gender roles we each carry out are highly individualistic, built on our biological and physical traits, appearance and personality, life experiences such as childhood, career and education, and history of sexual and romantic interactions.

Beccaynr (talk) 06:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

• Per WP:INAPPNOTE, to help avoid the appearance of Posting messages to users selected based on their known opinions, everyone involved in the discussion referred to above should probably be notified. Beccaynr (talk) 08:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Becca, what was your point with all those quoted definitions? I'm not seeing inconsistency between my suggestion and those citations. Kolya Butternut (talk) 08:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

My comment above that says there does not appear to be support for a definition of gender that is as strictly tied to "a particular sex". I think precision in terminology will be helpful, given the occasional overlap in informal uses of the words is about the suggestions, based on the sources cited here, and at the article and draft also linked in that comment. I think it would be helpful to incorporate sources more clearly and proportionately. Beccaynr (talk) 09:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

My proposal does not state "strictly tied to a particular sex", so I am not aware that we are in disagreement. Kolya Butternut (talk) 13:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Your suggestions use the biological term "sex" to define gender even though the sources state this terminology should not be used. Instead, sources state, e.g. that gender is not the same as sex, so more precision in language to avoid misrepresenting sources appears necessary. Beccaynr (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Female (gender) and Talk:Woman#WP:NPOV and MOS:LEAD

fyi, this draft includes sources in the article and on the Talk page that may be helpful for expanding this article, including the lead. There is a related discussion at Talk:Woman#WP:NPOV and MOS:LEAD with sources that may also be of interest to editors. Beccaynr (talk) 02:32, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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