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Hello. I'm sorry, but Fowler and I have already explained our reasoning on the talk page — several times. Please study those replies. This is not about a revert war; it is instead about summary style. Nichalp, Fowler, I, and others have just spent several days cleaning up the article by removing excess detail, advertisements, listcruft, etc. To prevent the article from degrading again, we must insist on being firm in upholding WP:SS from now on. However, we are encouraging contributors to add information on flora and fauna or the military. Focusing on those topics would help more than endlessly adding new items to already representative lists. See Australia or Bangladesh for what I mean. Regards. Saravask 19:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Chalukya

Sarvagnya, the article has been accepted as a FA. I would like to thank you for your efforts in making this happen as a team.Dineshkannambadi 16:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

answer

Hi - take a look at {{PD-India}} - this is the official copyright policy and the tag you'll need when you upload an image. Rama's arrow 23:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

And yes - all images before Jan. 1946 are public domain even if the book was published later. Rama's arrow 00:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Hi Blng, I recently created this article. There is still some work that needs to go into it(mostly cpedit/grammar/spelling/wikilinks etc.,) but otherwise, it is almost complete. I was wondering if this will qualify for DYK. How do I go about it. Thanks. Sarvagnya 22:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It is certainly long enough, an article does not need to be very long or comprehensive at all to be included (WP:DYK guidelines) such as Mahinda or Jambuka or Channa (Buddhist) - so it doesn't have to be more than a start-class article. DYK is for new articles, up and coming stuff. It is not really strict on grammar, sentence flow, etc, but it still must be WP:NPOV and sourced - and not the subject of tags like {{cleanup}}, {{tone}} - at the moment the article is not written in an encyclopedic tone, it has contractions "isn't" - it has POV things like "being the most important ones" (say who regarded them as such and why) - you also italicised part of the lead to emphasise a point, which isn't allowed as a reader must make up their own mind. You appear to have imported commentary from newspapers like "the then ruler of Mysore is even today fondly remembered as one of the greatest rulers to rule Mysore<by whom>, not to mention that he had the services of Bharat Ratna Sir M Vishweshwarayya to assist him" and "What had until then been confined to mostly muted protest, soon found a voice. This institution was the fruit of tireless efforts by Sri Gangadhar Deshpande at a time when Marathi language and culture had an overbearing presence in Kannada land" - even though newspapers and magazines user hyperbole and dramatic words (WP:WEASEL, WP:PEACOCK) when reporting, we can only import the facts to Misplaced Pages in unemotive language - otherwise cricket articles, eg will end up with stuff like "unbelievable performance", "abominable performance", "abysmal collapse". If some scholar made an assessment, we say "Wisden rated Sachin Tendulkar as the 2nd best batsmen ever" or "Wisden described Virender Sehwag as the "most exciting batsman in international circket"" (see their articles) - we can't just put it in as a statement. I think a good article to look at encyclopedic tone is Partition of India. Aside from that Template talk:Did you know is the place to put your nominations, under the date of creation. Thanks Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You can also see my DYK list on my userpage to see what is expected - it doesn't have to be great. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Portal Karnataka

There is a typo in the 2nd line of "Hoysala Empire" I think. I did know how to reach the page so I am letting you know.Dineshkannambadi 17:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Unification of Karnataka

You have written a very well organised and informative article on unification of Karnataka. Congrats. Where did you manage to get all such detailed information? Gnanapiti 17:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the new "type" of award. By the way, I saw your article, "unification of Karnataka". It looks great. I can fax you some very useful pages from Dr. Kamath's book, literally some 70 pages worth, about creation of modern Mysore, Reunification of Karnataka, rennaissance in Kannada literature and so on. You will find this very useful. Are you interested?Dineshkannambadi 21:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala

Is the unsigned edit (in the Consolidation and Continuity sections) prior to your last edit on architecture also by you. Just making sure.Dineshkannambadi 14:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

dravidian question

answered on my talk page. --SameerKhan 09:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 29 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Unification of Karnataka, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hi Sarvagnya, Good Job! - KNM 06:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

the same is applicable about ur edits on belgaum page. WP:AGF let us not disrupt belgaum dispute or unification of karnataka.Sarvabhaum 18:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

the same is applicable about ur edits on belgaum page. WP:AGF let us not disrupt belgaum dispute or unification of karnataka.Sarvabhaum 18:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala

Users Mattisse and BostonMA are also helping us with copyedits. Feel free to jump in whenever you are free.Dineshkannambadi 19:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

South Indian Cinema and Music Award

Dear Sarvanya: Just thought we'd need experienced Wikipedians to discuss about the introduction or removal of a new barnstar for South Indian Cinema and Music. Would appreciate very much you taking a look at the discussion and perhaps providing your comment here. Thank you. Best wishes, AppleJuggler 15:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Your reverts

What exactly is your problem with the passage you removed in Carnatic music? Every sentence in that has been cited properly. Please don't revert without giving reasons. Thanks Parthi 05:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

At least have the etiquette to answer my questions in the talk page. Your silence points to shades of vandalism rather than concern for the integrity of WP. Thanks Parthi 07:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You have answered none of my questions. the seven sentences in the paragraph uner discussion which statements are false, and misleading untruths? Each sentence is cited. More than you can say about the rest of the article. Parthi 09:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Its sarvajna not sarvagna sarvagna

sarvagna - one who destroys everything sarvajna - one who know everything.

By the way I have taken a work of uploading all sarvajna vachanas to internet and translate them into english and few foreign languages.

You can view several vachanas of sarvajna from this link

http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=24074781 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.227.66.68 (talk) 08:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

See this

- Cheers Parthi 00:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Kannada script in Hoysala Infobox

I have had to remove this per reviewer recommendation. Do you know how to reinsert this on top of the box, instead of in the box.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dineshkannambadi (talk • contribs) 18:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Sorry, forgot to sign in.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 18:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala Empire

Sarvagnya, Hoysala empire has become a featured article. Thank you for your many contributions.Dineshkannambadi 17:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, I respect your devotion to you mother tongue. However, insulting Hindi and Devnagari is not a way to improve your mothertongue. That way, you will only defame India. India had to fight a lot of pitfalls of regional divisions to overcome from its colonial masters. If we continue fighting amongst ourselves, we will never overcome our common enemies of poverty, hunger and ignorance. India will always lag behind. In this regard, i request you to please remove the sarcasm that you had posted on article about our national anthem. I am a minority in India and my language in not even listed as a national. However, I do not insult others for that. Please behave constructively. I am sorry if I overstated myself.

Haridasa

Please see the edit by user:Intwiz. This is interesting considering he is a new editor.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 00:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Anton Balasingham

You have embroiled in an edit war situation in an article that was properly written from a neutral point of view WP:NPOV without any major edit wars till then. If you want to tag him as a terrorist find a reputable sourceWP:RS, that should be verifiableWP:V and neutral WP:NPOV that calls as such. Discuss it in the talk page, get consensus from other wikipedians and if no such consensus is available ask for comments (i.e follow Misplaced Pages process). Drive by editing in controversial subjects without an in-depth knowledge of the controversy, subject matter and the wiki process can only create a non harmonious environment. Also I could have reported you to admin for breaching the 3RR rule but I am not going to as I want people to cool down discuss and reach a consensus as to the tag issue. We are all Wikipedians here volunteering our precious time so let us respect each other for that. Just my opinion RaveenS 14:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:India

Howdy! Please use care when picking your language, this edit seemed to negatively characterize the nature of another users edits in what might reasonably be considered a pretty denigrating manner. I'm sure it was accidental, this is just a friendly heads up. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 17:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense?

Please could you provide further explanation on the Sandalwood page rather than words in an edit summary, thank you SatuSuro 03:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Sandalwood

Maybe you know more about it than I. Your explanation was a bit lacking, I did a revert and left comment on talk page. Let me know what you think. Regards Fred 03:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

thankyou for your response. Your position seems to have changed. Mine does with any new information. In this case, as I try to do elsewhere, I assume good faith. I am no expert and yet I was familiar with the sanskrit derived word Chandana. The person who made the edit may know more than me, or you. It occurred to me, also, that usage in english is what appears on our document. I need not tell you of the many exceptions and why, I assume. These plants were important to people in the region well before english speakers turned up. First nonsense, then foreign. Anyway, someone else has put in their 2 cents worth now. Faithfully, Fred 16:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for the polite response. I will let you know what I find out. Sandalwood is important in Western Australia also, something not mentioned in the article. Regards Fred 17:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

RE:Removal of topics

Please do not add glitches to the html code for the Dravidian topics template. Thank you. Wiki Raja 20:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Please do not remove Dravidian items from the box by adding glitches to the html. Also, please reference your deletions with legitimate sources stating that the Dravidians do not have any form of dance and martial arts. Otherwise please refrain from deleting items from the Dravidian topics template. Thank you. Wiki Raja 04:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comments on Talk:India

Hi - your comments directed at user:Fowler&fowler are very incivil and rude - please see WP:CIVIL - your comments are of a taunting and demeaning nature. Please do not behave in such a rude and confrontational fashion. To solve any persisting conflict or content dispute properly, I advise you to use dispute resolution. Rama's arrow 21:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

You may have reason to be upset or frustrated, in which case it is fair to walk away. But making demeaning comments towards and about your fellow editors is unacceptable. Also, please do not engage in edit-warring. Rama's arrow 21:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I can appreciate your sentiments and I know that Fowler is not blameless, but you must not use another user's conduct as an excuse for incivility - there can be no "eye-for-an-eye" here - and that approach will hardly solve a problem. If (and I assume you do) you find it hard working with Fowler, I strongly advise you (as I have advised Fowler) to use dispute resolution, possibly an RfC on Talk:India to resolve the content dispute with the input of the wider community. Rama's arrow 21:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

My warning on edit-warring seemed natural in lieu of the content dispute you're having. Obviously, Afghan Historian and Fowler are tettering on the edge of an edit war. Again, seek dispute resolution while keeping your own cool. No good will come to you or the article if you erupt into incivility. Rama's arrow 21:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Reply

Well then you might as well having an official RfC - ask for other people's input at WT:INB. If some more people agree with you, then you'll be justified in disregarding Fowler's views. What I'm saying is not acceptable is your incivility to him. If he is incivil, he will be reprimanded for that. Rama's arrow 21:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

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Yeah all that is fine - I'm not interested in the content dispute itself. My only concern is to see proper dispute resolution and proper user conduct - no disruption, incivility. That's all I expect you to be careful about. Rama's arrow 21:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Dravidian topics

Sarvagnya I am not arguing with you. Why are you showing incivility towards me? Wiki Raja 08:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

You've been talking of imaginary glitches which I am at a loss to understand. I've asked you more than once what you're talking about, but you simply keep repeating the accusations. Again, what on earth are these 'glitches' you're talking about? Sarvagnya 08:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

These glitches you put in parts of the template html: Wiki Raja 09:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Bharatanatyam was formed by the Tamils, originally called Cathir. It was not till the early 1900s when this dance form was brought back to life by the Tamil Brahmin community who spoke Sanskrit and Tamil. Therefore, this dances origins are Dravidian, but is also practiced by Dravidians who speak Indo-Aryan languages, and Indo-Aryans who have learned the dance from the Dravidians. Other beautiful Dravidian dance forms are Yakshagana classical dance of Karnataka, Kuchipudi classical dance of Andra Pradesh, and the Mohiniattam classical dance of Kerala amongst many others. Odissi is an interesting art. Nice example of a combination of a Dravidian dance form and Hindustani (Indo-Aryan) music. Carnatic Music was created by the Dravidian people while Hindustani music was created by the Indo-Aryans. The term Dravidian does not necessarily mean a single ethnicity, but it is a family of related ethnicities and languages. Just like the term Indo-Aryan is a family of related ethnicities and languages. Also, there are Dravidians who speak Indo-Aryan languages for example in Gujurat and Maharashthra. I hope this was helpful. Regards. Wiki Raja 10:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Page 20 of the PDF article tells that the interim order DID INCLUDE a monthly ration. The rediff.com article by Mr.Shenoy states that months of distress werent met. Thanks Wikiality123 20:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:A warning.

Ok! I've had enough. You not only seem to be tied up in knots with your understanding of the Dravidian issue, you also seem to be ignorant of some of the most basic rules of WP. First of all, realise that what is going on in the "Dravidian" related pages between you, me, that ip user and other users is a 'content dispute'. I dont know if you've noticed, but everyone there is against your views. Even Bakaman with whom I dont share a very cordial wiki-relation seconded my stance. As for you, I dont see any support forthcoming.

I started reverting only after I explained on various talk pages at length. Calling my edits vandalism is most uncouth of you and filing a frivolous checkuser just because you cant address the issue to convince others on the talk page is juvenile.

Anyway, you seem to be new here(you atleast act like one). As for me, I've been there, done that. As you can see on the checkuser page itself, you arent the first one to try the vengeful tactic on me. Each time I've come out clean. Go ahead and do your worst. Or better still, ping your frnd Parthi for pointers. He'll probably tell you not to get your 'knickers in a knot' on this. Happy trolling. Sarvagnya 16:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I have not engaged in any personal attacks against you other than you throwing peronal attacks at me and pushing your POV on this academic site. My reports against you are strictly following Misplaced Pages procedures in dealing with chronic vandals, trolls, and sock puppets. So far, you have not been able to give me any referenced sources to back your claims. While I have, as per request from you, have provided referenced sources well in abundance. You stated that if I provide referenced sources you would stop vandalizing pages relating to the Dravidian civilizations. However, that was not true and you continue to vandalize pages. Lastly, I do not appreciate your threat against me and admin Jpgordon here I also disagree with you that the talk page on Dravidian topics template is juvenile since I had provided well referenced sources. Unlike your posts with no referenced material, except for rash claims. Wiki Raja 21:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages content regulations

Please let me recommend the Misplaced Pages:No original research to read in regards to your unsourced material. This section on Misplaced Pages:Citing sources helps a user to cite sources properly, but I think you should first read about no original research. No original research is basically no making up stories and posting it on Misplaced Pages's pages. Also, please show more civility when dealing with other users including myself. I have never threatened or attacked you. So, far I have had personal attacks from you here where you called me ignorant. Also you have generalized the Sri Lankan population and called them terrorists here and here. I am sorry, but that equates to racism, especially when one generalizes a whole population. A good site to read would be Misplaced Pages:Civility. Please also let me reccomend visiting the Uncyclopedia. There are lots of fun articles on there, and the best thing about it is that the user does not have to cite any sources. Truly an ideal site for those who into fiction, sci-fi, and humor. I hope this info has been of help for you. I just want you to remember one thing that racism hurts. There is only one race which is the human race. Kind Regards. Wiki Raja 21:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:References! references! references!

First of all, the title you have presented References! references! references! shows me that this is a sign of frustration. I'm sorry, but it was you who kept asking me to provide references. I have already provided all the references I could possibly find. With your refusal to look into the references I have provided as per request, it proves to me that your rash claims of Carnatic music and Bharatanatayam coming from the moon is outsourced with no references. Maybe I put too much references to back up my claim. I hope this was not too much. Please accept my humble appologies for disproving you time and again. Kind regards. Wiki Raja 22:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandal

I thank you for your feedback to me regarding vandalism. I do not consider that as warning. It is unfortunate that you have removed something which is not your POV without discussing it on the talk page. Also, since you are here for long time and involved in many other controversial edits like Belgaum, I assume that you read and understand WP:COI. If not, please give it a try before editing controversial topics. Thanks Praveen pillay 01:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I am waiting for till Sunday and sincerely hope that you write that in neutral POV. If you don't then I'll have to change it to NPOV. And you have not answered my question regarding your speculations such as Griffin etc... And I am confident that I will not be banned. What ever you write in WP, its not going to change the tribunal's award :) Take care and sleep well.

70.125.103.189 04:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Surely I didnt dream up Griffin myself. Thanks. And about COI, I can assure you and you will have to take my word for it that I am not a paid agent of the Karnataka govt., nor am I a party to the dispute. And btw, did I suggest that you'd get banned? I dont think so. Not unless you're a POV-pushing, edit warring, rule breaking vandal.  :) Sarvagnya 05:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand you didn't dream up Griffin yourself. But, you do seem infer something from his ruling (I contend that the quote itself was quoted out of context). Please see Misplaced Pages's stand on original research here. Also, see previous version ]. I quote the section of interest

In his award, Sir. Griffin concluded thus,

In conclusion, I regret that it has been impossible to arrive at a settlement satisfactory to both the parties. Each party set out claims which, on examination, were found inadmissible in whole or in part. The claims of Madras, if allowed, would probably have resulted in making the Mysore Project impossible: those of Mysore, in seriously impairing the interests of Madras. Throughout the proceedings, there has been a regrettable lack of the spirit of compromise…

Further making no secret of the underlying basis for the judgment, he went on to say,

The resolution we have arrived at, recognises the paramount importance of the existing Madras interests, has for its primary object the safeguarding of those interests and does, we believe, safeguard them effectually.

In other words, it was made clear once again that British (and hence Madras) interests came first and scant regard, if any, would be shown to competing interests.

This section at least provided some balanced context before jumping into original research (I.e. the portion where author says In other words, it was made clear once again that British (and hence Madras) interests came first and scant regard, if any, would be shown to competing interests.).

Also, you didn't answer the question regarding the biased statement

While all these discussions went on, Tamil Nadu’s irrigated lands had grown humongously, while Karnataka’s had stagnated. Tamil Nadu’s irrigated area stood at a huge 24 lakh acres while Karnataka’s irrigated area was a mere 4.2 lakh acres. The one sided nature of the so-called agreement was there for everyone to see.

And btw, I agree that vandals may get banned. But, I believe that there are still some POV pushing vandals who do not have any real life lurking in WP trying to push their POV. Probably it may be because of their inability to change the ground realities :) (For eg. The Cauvery tribunal's award) Thanks and have a nice time. Praveen 17:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Whew! If you would hold your horses and stop filling my talk page with things that you've already raised on the article talk page. Just fyi, I do believe that the article can do with a couple of rounds of cpedit for tone etc., and that is exactly why I've been living with the {{NPOV}} tag at the top of the page(in case you didnt notice). The way I see it, the article just needs more comprehensive referencing and few changes in tone, wording etc., here and there. I do not foresee any major changes. So dont come back Monday expecting the article to have changed drastically. Thanks. Sarvagnya 17:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I feel you have given a nice constructive reply in Kaveri dispute. Thanks Praveen 19:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop posting threatening messages on my talk page

Excuse me, but what authority do you have to tell what WikiProject I should or should not form? Who do you think you are? Approval from what community? Is Misplaced Pages privately owned by you. As for personal attacks, I have not attacked you. It isthe other the other way around. I do not attack people on the basis of the race, ethnicity, religion, nationality, or creed. Not once have I mentioned anything about such. However, in regards to you, you have blatantly accused me of a number of things which I have not done. You have called me names, and worse, you have condemned a whole ethnic group. What do you have to say about that? Lastly, do not come to my talk page with such threats. This is not a warning from you, but threat. Using all capital letters in a message equates to yelling. Therefore, let me remind to stop threatening and harrassing me. I have spoken to you with respect in the previous posts. In return you have posted abusive messages directed at me and my ethnicity. Your messages only spew hate. Wiki Raja 05:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not threatening you. I am only warning you that you are in violation of some rules of wikipedia. For example, your edit summaries which say, "rv vandalism" implies that I am a vandal or that I have vandalised a page. The fact of the matter, however is that it is only a content dispute. You have called me a vandal in your edit summaries a few times already, but this is the first time I've warned you. As for your accusation that I've called you names, insulted your 'community' etc., I can only say that you're letting your imagination run wild. btw, if you dont want me to come to your page and post WP warning templates, just stop giving me reasons to do so. Thanks. Sarvagnya 05:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand. What reasons are you talking about? You are restricting my freedom on Misplaced Pages. Are you an admin? Wiki Raja 05:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not restricting your freedom. I am not an admin. We all only enjoy as much 'freedom' as the WP rules and guidelines allow us. As per WP rules, you calling me a vandal or accusing me of vandalism when I have not vandalised is incivila and a personal attack. Thats all. thanks. Sarvagnya 06:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:Your images

I see that you've uploaded dozens of images to wikipedia. While you have very graciously released it on 'GFDL', you say nothing about where you got the pics from. I mean did you click them/draw them yourself or did you beg, borrow or steal from somewhere. Please update your image with proper info about source or all of them may get deleted. Sarvagnya 00:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Please stop with the demeaning insults. Wiki Raja 01:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop crying and add proper sources to your images and prove to us that you didnt steal. btw, cpvio is stealing. Sarvagnya 01:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop harassing me on my talk page. You are giving me a hard tims is because of the issue you have created in regards to the Dravidian Topics template page, and the fact that I have passed all the tests you have put me through. This reminds me of the story of the 12 Labors of Hercules. Wiki Raja 01:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Your behaviour

With regard to the complaints at WP:AN/I, it's clear from just a quick look at the evidence that they're not unfounded. Please moderate your behaviour; while those with whom you're in conflict might well be being pushed into a slight overreaction, the fact remains that you have been behaving badly. I'll examine the evidence more carefully before I take further action. If you'd like to preempt that by changing your conduct, both on articles and on Talk pages, that would be beneficial all round. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

By all means, take a closer look at the diffs and come back. I will answer your questions. That is what I've said on ANI too. As far as I am concerned, Wikiraja's reactions are not 'slight overreactions' but but border on the insane. For example, his conspiracy theories connecting me to a certain ARYAN818 is so funny, I could die laughing. For heaven's sake, I dont/didnt even know that there was a user called ARYAN818, least of all that he got blocked!! And his charge that I am a 'block evading sockpuppet' is so blatantly false that I am not sure why you admins are even entertaining his troll. Thanks. Sarvagnya 16:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't have to look at diffs to see that your behaviour has been bad; I simply have to look further up this page. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• "Look further up this page..." - I dont know what you're talking about. All I know is that most talk pages on WP dont make any sense unless you know the context. And I dont think you know the context of most(if any) of my correspondences. And you shouldnt be trying to come to conclusions without even knowing the context. Like I've said on ANI, if you have any concerns regarding any diff, ask me. Otherwise, we would only be talking past each other coz.... I've done a fair bit of fighting POV on Misplaced Pages and naturally there are a few like Wikiraja who're understandably upset with me. But I cannot be held responsible for their angst. Sarvagnya 23:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but what is this? Can an administrator, knowing that an account is a sockpuppet account allow it to be open? Or do certain users have special rights? So even after the administrator Dmcdevit on 12 November 2006 allowed you to carry on with sockpuppetry on the condition that you would not use the both accounts to edit a same page, you went ahead and used both Sarvagnya and Gnanapiti sockpuppet accounts to conduct a vote fraud on 9 February 2007 here in which one user got kicked out of Misplaced Pages because of this vote outcome. Oh, by the way, sorry I forgot to add on the administrative incident noticeboard this. I didn't know you were blocked in the past for fighting with another user. Also, you have been warned of violating the 3RR on 28 August 2006 in regards to a WP:3RR and warned here again on 17 October 2006 in regards to another 3RR. Then you finally received a 12 hour block on the same day for violating the 3RR on 17 October 2006 here. Even after the warnings and block for 3RR you continued with your chronic reversions which resulted in a warning to you on 29 October 2006 here Wiki Raja 07:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Leaving aside sock-puppetry accusations, which I can't look into at the moment, you are clearly guilty of serious incivility (I note that you've now gone back and struck out some of your abusive coments, though not all, which gives the lie to your claim that you don't know what I'm talking about). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiraja, consider this as a warning. If you continue accusing sockpuppetry against me without any proof, I'm going to report against you to admins. Admins certainly know more than you, who to block and who to unblock. So stop your baseless claims. Gnanapiti 15:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• Mel - I am not Adam Sandler and Misplaced Pages is no course in Anger management. You just dont irritate another editor for the heck of it and expect a civil response all the time. What Wikiraja is doing is almost like a child throwing tantrums once he's caught on the wrong foot. I caught him on the wrong foot both on the template issue and his copyvios of images. And now, he's just blowing his top. And like I've said, I dont see any reason to grin and bear it.
• Civility cannot be at the cost of harming the project. Both his template and his copyvios, 'harm' the project, so to speak. With the templates, I was very civil to start with(, but once I saw that he would neither listen to reason nor stop tagging dozens and dozens of articles with that silly box, I lost my cool(this was after I had explained to him my stance on several talk pages like Template_talk:Dravidian topics, Talk:Dravidian people, Talk:Yakshagana, Talk:Carnatic music etc.,. You are free to go and check for yourself. And if you're talking about my message to him about his copyvios(dozens of them), I didnt 'go back and strike off' after you pinged me, but I did that minutes after I posted it. And in any case, I dont regret having written that coz., like I said WP is not a test of Anger management. Wikiraja seems to think that it is.
• And these sockpuppetry accusations, are ceasing to be funny anymore. I've already explained that there's been no socking, admin Blnguyen has explained on ANI, even my rfcu page explains it(and WR knows it) and yet he's continuing to spew nonsense. If there's been anybody who's been guilty of breaking rules on Wiki, its Wikiraja. Not me. Thanks. Sarvagnya 16:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear sarvajna avare,

what prompted you to delete my posts on History of Kaveri Dispute ?

Though i have added it back, i would like to know whether you have a valid reason ?

with regards

raja

Re: Archive please

Thanks for reminding. It had been pending since sometime, and I was lazy enough to postpone it everytime when I thought about it. :) Just archived the first 50 sections to an archive page. Thank you! - KNM 08:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Vamsha

I will take a second look at the book today to correctly understand whether the author meant race or geneology. He may have meant Geneology.Dineshkannambadi 14:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I did not understand this part of your message. "Hi Dinesh, looks like you're working on OoR right now. I actually have left this section blank with an {expand} note. You may have noticed that I removed some info from the lead which I meant to move to this section. If you can bring that info that I removed into this section and add a few more lines, it will be good"

Did you mean move the section called "language of the Rashtrakutas" into the section that says "Early Rashtrakutas and Rash..of Manya.."Dineshkannambadi 02:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The tribes during the time of Ashoka were not called Rashtrakutas. Nobody knows what they called themselves or even if they existed. Historians have tried to connect the "Rashtrikas" in Ahokna inscriptions to the term "Ratta" and "Rashtrakuta" from the 6th century onwards. Nowhere have I read of Rashtrakutas before 6th century. This is why I said "proposed ancestors of the Rashtrakutas" without giving them the "name= rashtrakutas".Dineshkannambadi 01:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

regarding the Vamsha, You are right. The author uses the word lineage not race. So your geneology is accurate. Regarding the inscriptions that mention the lineage, the 860 inscription is not of dantidurga but of later kings, mentioning Dantidurga. The 808 inscription only makes a comparison, so is not included in the 8 inscriptions that call them Yadavas. The coins of Krishna II are from 772 but since coins are not inscriptions (as in Edicts) the author discounts them from calling them so.Dineshkannambadi 01:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I corrected my own mistake. I had written "Proposed earliest Rahtrakutas during the time of Ashoka". This would mean they called thmeselves Rashtrakutas at that time if they existed. This is however not true. from what I read, historians have tried to connect terms like "Rashtrika", "Rastika", "Lattalika" to the later dynasties who called themselves Rashtrakutas or Rattas. This is a confusing topic ofcourse.Dineshkannambadi 02:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

You ae right. The LEAD was too long. At the same time, somehow, the language of Rashtrakutas does not sound right in the article "Origin of Rashtrakutas" as we are supposed to be discussing about research into their origin, research notes etc. The info in the "language of Rash" para already appears in the main article for Rashtrakutas. Shall we move it to the end and call it "Language of Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta" specifically? The fact that the Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta encouraged Kannada is universally accepted. What do you think.Dineshkannambadi 03:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I took a re-look at the book by Pandit Reu and Kamath. While Reu dwells in detail about the words in Ashokan inscriptions and its interpretations, Kamath does not bother about it. He focusses more on the 7th century onwards.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 04:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I also feel that the focus of this article should also be 7th century onwards. But we should certainly mention theories, if any, about lineages like that of the Ashokan period. But we should only give it as much weight as the authors have given it. Sarvagnya 04:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

How does it look now.If it looks ok, we should removed the tag and the section " early Rashtrakutas" as much info on the early Rashtrakutas has appeared in the Research section itself.Dineshkannambadi 04:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:KAR DYK

Hello Sarvagnya,

Can you please update this page Portal:Karnataka/Did you know, with the DYK that you created from the article Unification of Karnataka? Thanks, - KNM 04:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Image tags

Hi! I saw your post to Aksi's page and I thought I'd answer it since he might take a while to get to it.

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Hope this was informative enough. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

CC licences

On CC licences

Um, no.. that is not 100% correct. There are two licences, the CC-BY-x requires only attribution, but the CC-BY-SA-x also requires that the derivative be released only under the CC-BY-SA-x, very similar to the GFDL.

GFDL vs CC

Professionally speaking, the CC licences are more user friendly for image reuse. For example, if an image needs to be printed, the image must be compulsory accompanied with the GFDL preamble (This), which takes a lot of valuable space. CC licences do not have this requirement. If I'm not mistaken the CC-BY-SA and GFDL are now compatible with each other (It's somewhere there on the WP:POST archives).

Revoking

No, once you release an image under any licence, you cannot revoke it. Also {{PD-self}} is not applicable under Indian law unless you sign away its rights at the Registrar. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Images

Hi. Sorry for the delay in replying to your question. As I can see, Nichalp has already answered your question (the answer is so good that I have saved the reply in a text file for other users who ask me the same question:)). If you have any further queries, do contact me or Nichalp. My personal choice for images is cc-by-sa, which forces attribution and ensures that any derivative works can remain free. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No personal attacks. You've been warned.

Your mischevous insinuation in your edit summaries here and here is a personal attack. Stop it now.

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you.

Sarvagnya 07:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand how that was a personal attack? Can you please explain? Wiki Raja 18:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hoysala architecture

You have given me a very big compliment, something difficult to live up to. Its you guys who keep me going. This is a new type of topic and this success will greatly help in future architecture related articles w.r.t other empires.thanks for your contributions.Dineshkannambadi 21:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Holi Greetings

Happy Holi!!!! Nikkul 15:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

India Demographic

Because of India's rich diversity, no one image can represent all of India's one billion people. That is why I propose selecting a new demographics image every three months. This would allow for a regional balance and would show India as a whole. Many people have agreed that this is the only way to represent India's rich and varied diversity. Since you have voted for a change in the demographics section, I wanted to update you on this proposal. I would love to hear your comments on talk:India. Thanks so much. Have a great day!

-Coollemonade 23:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Tulu/Kannada

Hi there, a discussion has started here due to some recent edits by other editors at Shilpa Shetty that possibly seek to insert a POV as to her native language. After I looked into the article history and discovered that it was your contribution, I thought you may like to join the discussion. Regards, Ekantik 02:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied on article talk page Sarvagnya 04:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Konkani language

Pleas do not fight a script war on the Konkani Language page. Leaving the refference would not have hurt anyone, rather it would have served as proof to anyone who had doubts.

Neither was reordering necessary, it serves no purpose. The reason I had put the Romi Lipi name after Devanagiri was becasue they are widely used in the state where Konkani is the offical language, although Kannada is without doubt the most popularly used.

Let me gently remind you that writing comment like the one you did can only get you into trouble. --Deepak D'Souza 07:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

If you'd seen the refs that had been added, you'd have seen that Kannada is not only the most popularly used script, but its users outnumber others nearly 3 to 1. It is not fair that references be asked just of Kannada script. If you want, move those refs to the scripts section. Refs look ugly in the lead. And if refs can be asked of Kannada, one can ask for refs for each of those languages listed there. Sarvagnya 08:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazingly, while I was writing a message on your discussion board, you were writing one on mine. So I decided to come back after lunch and put this one. References do not weaken our case, rather bolsters them. I think that the 3:1 ratio is not correct, but anyway. W.r.t the post you have put, there is no section but I took the capital letter as deleniating a section. Search for the line "Konkani has had to painfully negotiate a controversy about the nature of its relationship with Marathi". It wasn't meant to be original resarch but it ended up that way because I had quoted it out of memory.Anyway now I have provided a link that puts it in detail. As far as User:Maharashtraexpress asking for a citation, I was surprised that he had asked for a citation rather than delete the line as I thought any Maharashtrian Wikipedian would. Nothing wrong with it , after all it was a controversial point, and he was well within his rights to as per Wikiepdias policies. Lets stay decent as long as the other party stays so. --Deepak D'Souza 08:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No.. what I meant was... I know about this so called disagreement about Konkani's status vis a vis Marathi. But my point is(as your ref also confirms) that this whole controversy about Konkani's status is, but a making of Marathi nationalists. Scholarly opinion does not question Konkani's status as a language in its own right. So please reword the paragraph to mention that this theory that Konkani is only a dialect of Marathi is a figment of Marathi nationalists' imagination and nothing else. At the moment, the article seems to be giving a sort of legitimacy to what is basically BS. Sarvagnya 09:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

That was created as a NPOV text by some sysadmin. Lets leave it at that. I forgot about it but this article does not mention the Chatterjee commision and the significant dates in Konkani. I will do some R&D and put it --Deepak D'Souza 11:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Origin of Karnataka's name

Sarvagnya,

How about moving this to Etymology of Karnataka ? Do we need a discussion on that?

Thanks, - KNM 21:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

That thought did cross my mind. But I felt that the article talks not just about the etymology but also a fair bit of history. So I moved it to "Origins...". But I am open for discussion. Sarvagnya 21:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

OK!I provided redirect from Etymology of Karnataka to Origin of Karnataka's name. Thanks. - KNM 01:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Bharatanatyam. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Your mentioning of 'disco dance' (a derogatory term in south india for sexually vulgar dance) in Silapathikaram is not appreciated. I sincerely hope that you desist from such lowly, crass remarks in the future. Praveen 03:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Disco dance for me is an honorable art form in itself as honorable as BN. May not be to you, but is surely held in high regard by someone somewhere. It is a shame that you find it derogatory. Sarvagnya 03:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)