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All of the logs which I received as an experienced editor are referenced in my Dec 2020 WP:AN appeal.
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Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction The following sanction now applies to you: Kolya Butternut (talk · contribs) and SPECIFICO (talk · contribs) are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Misplaced Pages (subject to the ordinary exceptions). You have been sanctioned for the reasons provided in response to this AN discussion. This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions. You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:00, 27 December 2020 (UTC) For clarity, this sanction replaces the one-way interaction ban which is currently in place. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:00, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: Williams, suicide language and bludgeoning

Just to expand more on my comment from the Robin Williams talk page (as it deserves more expansion off that page), you should be very much cautioned that your behavior at the Williams page, as well as the discussion over at the "wheelchair-bound" language, as well as from at least one other debate I saw you at (Joe Biden sexual assault allegation) fall well in the behavior of WP:BLUDGEON, particularly as these have the tone of righting great wrongs. Together, there's no direct action that can be taken from that that I can see, but this is considered disruptive to consensus building, and if there's long-term patterns of this, you may find others less hesitant to take that to AN/ANI. You can see the frustration in the wheelchair language debate from long-standing editors like EEng, for example. Be aware of how much you are participating in these discussions and if you are bringing new arguments. Keeping on repeating the same arguments, and repeating it over multiple threads is not helpful. That BLUDGEON page has really good advice for how to participate in discussions without excessively throwing your input into it. Please take this as advice from me, and not as any type of "warning" or the like towards admin action. --Masem (t) 19:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm commenting here rather than Masem's page, because that's where the discussion is. Further to my comment here, I wonder if Masem you would consider striking your comment about "rewarding the bludgeoning behavior". We make edits in article space to improve the information we write to our readers, and making or not making them should never be influenced by your reaction to another editors behaviour. You've just made explicit that a reason for your reluctance to improve our content was that it "rewarded" someone you are in conflict. Indeed, several of your comments about editors potentially gaming the system, seem to show you are over concerned with the wiki politics and less so of our readers. You might want to consider that you've had that page watchlisted and have consistently blocked attempts by multiple editors to revise the language long before Kolya even stared editing Misplaced Pages. You cited Misplaced Pages:Tendentious editing above when you commented on righting great wrongs but perhaps the "Repeating the same argument without convincing people" section best describes your role on that page since Williams died. WP:BLUDGEON has advice I think for both of you.

As I noted somewhere else, the "righting great wrongs" guideline is not about language choices by editors in article space. It is about facts, that some editors believe to be true and the world needs to be told and corrected. You might think this is relevant to editors discussing word choices for social reasons but this is wrong. I get that it is handy to have some wiki shortcut that seems to condone a conservative approach to language change. It doesn't. The irony is that "righting great wrongs" is solved by citing reliable sources and the opinions of experts, and telling editors that their own personal opinions and original thoughts on the matter aren't important. And exactly the opposite is occurring wrt social language choices, where the most vocal and strident voices taking a conservative approach often base their argument entirely on personal opinion, dubious google searches and odd ideas of what Misplaced Pages tends to do. That guideline doesn't help the case at all. I mean, wrt facts, an editor arguing that several dictionaries are wrong or that we should ignore experts, would be laughed out of town. Yet Kolya has brought expert sources to the discussion and two dictionaries and gets told experts should be dismissed.

A final point about blugeon. There is an asymmetry here. Firstly Brandolini's law explains "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is needed to produce it." While many folk might have responded to a request to reword the article with a "sure", instead they've had to overcome a machine that tells them such changes are not permitted because politics. Secondly, the text Kolya wanted changed was the current text and incumbency is a huge huge advantage. Objecting to change only requires two letters: "no". So those arguing for change will automatically have the harder job and are likely to write more. That doesn't mean Kolya doesn't need to watch out, but there are numerous edits on that talk page from both of you, back and forth. -- Colin° 12:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

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Marchjuly, what about this publicity photo from a 1975 television movie which doesn't appear to have been copyrighted; is it free per the Hirtle chart? Kolya Butternut (talk) 01:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

It possibly could be {{PD-US-no notice}} if it can be verified that there's no copyright notice on the back of the photo. It's not clear the second image shown is actually the back of the photo (it looks like something overlaid over the front), but this appears to be the same photo with a clearer image of the back. This would be a good thing to ask about at c:COM:VPC because Commons is where such an image should be uploaded. If the image is OK for Commons, then you should upload the full image, and then upload a crop as a separate file since the same license would apply to the crop. You could then use the templates c:Template:Extracted from and c:Template:Image extracted to connect the images. I think there is a way to "crop" a file for a Misplaced Pages article's infobox without out actually needing to upload a separate cropped version of the file, but don't know how it's done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Commons has a crop tool that can be enabled in Preferences > Gadgets. The tool can be used to crop the photo and the tool will take care of applying the appropriate templates and uploading the crop as a separate file. With the link provided by Marchjuly, it does look very much like it is PD because of lack of notice. Particularly important is that the image of the back of the photo shows date stamps that verify the date falls in the qualifying time persiod. Whpq (talk) 12:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: It probably would've been better for you to upload the other version I found which more clearly shows the back of the photo with the time stamps that Whpq mentioned above. Even if it's not exactly as clean of copy of the front of the photo, there would be less doubt about its copyright status. So, you might want to add a link to that other version to the description of the one you uploaded just for reference purposes. You can add links for the main page and then for the front and back of the photo. There's no way of knowing how long that photo will be available on that website; so, the more information you can provide about it and its lack of copyright status in the file's description, the less likely the photo's licensing will be challenged sometime down the road. You could even add something this discussion to the file's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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Newimpartial

I would like to respond to your questions/comments last made in the section on your talk page I had opened under the heading User talk:Newimpartial#Disruptive editing I still hope we can learn something from our misunderstandings, but after this perplexing action I feel it is necessary to maintain strict boundaries with you, so you are now banned from my talk page. You may respond to me on yours if you like.

I felt that our main dispute is the interpretation of my statement "gender is based on gender roles", and your accusations of gaslighting (#Disrupting editing link above) when I tried to clarify that I did not mean that gender was only based on gender roles. I did not intend to reduce gender to gender roles. I don't know that we can constructively discuss this again until we discuss our dynamics. I will respond to your other comments.

• My understanding is that you find my participation on certain Talk pages (including this one) combative, sometimes unreflective, and condescending in tone. I would guess that you feel that I sometimes construe your words uncharitably out of a (conscious or unconscious) drive to "win" an argument rather than to understand what you are saying. My sense is also that you believe I have an inappropriate confidence in what I believe that I know and in the judgements I make based on that knowledge. Please let me know what I got wrong just there, and what I left out.

  Yes, I agree with those things, but I don't know whether you have an appropriate level of confidence in your knowledge of content, because you have often not provided evidence for your assertions. I do feel that you have an inappropriate level of confidence in how you view the conduct of others and yourself.

  I feel like you have a pattern of making nonconstructive criticism which has the effect of stonewalling, intentionally or not. I feel like you tell people they are wrong without telling them what is right, and sometimes say what is wrong without responding to the intention behind a question or comment. We could discuss specific examples of these patterns if you would like to engage in the same self-criticism you've stated that you engage in regarding content. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)