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Hey Kosh. There are so many issue with that statement that I felt it important to drop by. | |||
*{{xt|policy '''should ''' be enforced '''as written'''}} - from a high level ] is a guideline and ] is policy. The principle is what matters, not exact wording of the rules. Disputes are solved by discussion, not strict adherence to the rules. Does that make sense? The "rules" are just a description of what's happened before and likely will happen again... generally the right thing to do, but not be followed blindly. No matter whether you're right or wrong on the underlying issue, not understanding this fundamental principle is the reason you are blocked. | |||
*So, on to the underlying issue. Is the content on page in violation of POLEMIC? Honestly, I'd say no. POLEMIC '''in bold''' refers to '''Very divisive or offensive material not related to encyclopedia editing'''. Is what he's saying offensive? Barely. Very divisive? Not really. ''AND'' it's related to encyclopedic editing. It just doesn't fit in that section. It's not targeted at individuals or a specific group, let alone attacking or vilifying them. It's not a pre-meditated nasty attack, it's a person ranting on their way out the door. I don't agree with a word of it, but it's important to let people express themselves in situations like that. | |||
This way of thinking is fundamental to Misplaced Pages, it's why IAR exists. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 11:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
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{{Talkback|Captain Screebo}} | |||
Sorry- you're right, I missed the footnote in the middle because of the speculation at the end which I'm glad you removed. I know the reports came in, but think we should proceed with caution about reporting minute-by-minute breaking news. Plenty of time to add material when it's really verified. But I was wrong when I said it was unsourced. Thanks for catching that. I'll leave it in, as I don't feel that strongly about it, but let's please keep speculation out.<strong>]</strong>/<small>]</small> 21:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hello, I'm writing because you were at one time a significant contributor to ]. Some issues have come up regarding the article's contents, and I'm at an impasse with a possibly-] affected editor. I would greatly appreciate your participation at ]. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 02:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Alright, then- thanks for disclosing that; the editor in question made at least 4 replies in which he only demanded my backing off because I had previously played the game. TBH, considering the info you'd introduced to that page, I had wondered what your connection was. Incidentally that very website might end up being a good source for corroborating some of the info in the article; it's still mirrored by the ]. At any rate, thanks for your reply! —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 17:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Cool, thanks for keeping an eye on things. As to concern about outing, I'm confident there's sufficient behavioral evidence on-wiki to establish the identity of the editor in question without violating policy- should it become necessary. In any event, it does look like things have died down to the point where we can assume he's either accepting things or preparing a counterstrike. Thanks again! —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 01:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Considering that my edit spoke of the fact that Tullian has publicly debated other with regards to his views, and the links I referenced go DIRECTLY to those debates, there should not be an issue. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:51, 13 May 2013</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
Hi. Do not remove my comments from talk pages, as you did and . I believe you can be blocked for that. And try to be more civil when leaving comments on my talk page (that is, avoid ). | |||
== Support request with team editing experiment project == | |||
Back to discussing the content, can you please double check that reference you mentioned on the ] article? It gives me a 404 error. Also, the sentence saying that Lauderdale "''had a passion to "get the story right"''" can not be sourced by an interview where a co-worker says he "''works hard to see that we get the story right''". That just someones opinion, and not a fact. | |||
Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Misplaced Pages about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here: ), I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Misplaced Pages community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Misplaced Pages everywhere) Regards from on meta. | |||
Likewise, we should avoid press-release language like "''After working in news since he was 17, he wanted to have choices and work at his own pace''". This is unnecessarily praising. | |||
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== let me spit in the face of that filthy bastard.. he deserves it! == | |||
Oh, and please watch out your attacks on edit summaries. --] 13:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:What, may I ask, were you thinking when you made these reverts? That's hardly trolling. He thinks something is OR. If you don't think so discuss it with him on the talk page. ''Your'' reversions were trolling. Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other users. Unseemly and disruptive conduct such as this is prohibited. Please see ]--]] 16:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
read the title. | |||
::I came here to leave a similar message. Those edits are not trolling, and continuously calling another a user a troll in incivil, disruptive, and constitutes trolling itself. If you want to stick around you'll have to work together with other users. Discussion on the talk page is the way to resolve disputes, not edit wars and name-calling. ] 16:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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{{Talkback|Jersey92}} | |||
Heya, I noticed your new sig, on ANI today... Another excellent one from ya :) However, you made a little typo when you linked your talkpage, you put down ] when I'm sure you meant ]. HTH. ]] 20:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Master KoshVarlon, I didn't think that my splittings would become such a big deal. I made such splits on ], ], ], just to name a few, and didn't imagine that I would be bullied and shouted around, because there aren't that many users who patrol the talk pages, so I decided to be bold and split them. The user who has reported me is not a bad person, but I think this is just diminiutive and disparaging, concerning my lengthy experience, working here on Misplaced Pages, and also it is delay for the work on these articles. I beg you not to block me, because in fact, I intend to continue such work and splits of lengthy bibliographies and in fact to be more uncompromising with the user who reported me, because I kind of look at the whole matter more as a "cavil retail" than a serious Misplaced Pages matter. | |||
:Kindest regards:] (]) | |||
== Sorry about that == | |||
Howdy, Kosh. I see you removed the template warning I issued you earlier today citing the essay of not to template the regulars. While this is your talk page and I respect your right to remove whatever you want I would like to point you to a counter essay, ]. Cheers! ] (]) 20:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
'''Sorry About The Edit on ]''' | |||
== December 2008 == | |||
I'm sorry, my friend trolled me by editing that page. I promise it won't happen again... | |||
] Please ] other editors{{#if:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|, which you did here: ]}}. If you continue, you '''will''' be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa3 --> <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 17:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Stop with the abusive name calling and personal attacks '''now'''. Personal attacks are unjustifiable. <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 17:37, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::] does not apply, and does not supersede civility. Your motion is not what I templated for, it was your condescending tone and juvenile name-calling that got me here. Try to act in a more appropriate way. <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 17:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::Also, thanks for using my signature as a template for your new one (looks splendid by the way)! Glad to see someone else actually likes it and doesn't think of it as bland... :D <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 17:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Could you please quote verbatim the respective reference? <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 18:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::As I say, could you please quote the relevant passage verbatim? <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 18:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::The quoted passage only quotes someone as saying it, thus it is not an appropriate reference to use for that particular bit. I have readded the {{tl|by whom}} template. Regards, <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>— ]</b><sup><i>]</i></sup></font> 19:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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== inapropriate sentence == | ||
the sentence used there is the penis is inserted to the wagena. so it seems so, inapropriate for some users | |||
I appreciate your edits to ], but the material you keep adding to the article is written in an ] and ventures off into ] land. Furthermore, the reference you provided is from a report written by a high schooler, which clearly does not meet our ] policy. Call it a gut feeling, but I don't think a neutral Misplaced Pages article should have a feel-good ending to it. :-) <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 21:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:The notability of the publisher does not guarantee the reliability of the author. It might be published by a noteworthy organization, but the article is written by a teenager. Let's consider the article on its merits alone: would you actually use a high school journalism report as a source in a Misplaced Pages article? Hopefully, you would say no, based on thee principal tenet of ]: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we only publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves." Furthermore, per ] and ], primary sources (such as interviews) are not considered "reliable for statements of interpretation, analysis or conclusion". In that case, we would need ]. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 21:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::The sentence taken from the source, "Lauderdale considers reaching out to the community, like telling aspiring students about the work it takes to get to where he is and the endurance it takes to get there, to be a big part of his career." falls into the realm of "interpretation, analysis or conclusion". Per policy, primary sources aren't considered reliable for statements of interpretation, analysis or conclusion. Also, how does the second sentence add anything to the encyclopedia? It seems like a highly trivial detail, which reads like ]. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 22:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC) |
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