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Dpotop, "Romanian" is a nationality. "Romanian Communist Party" is not. Quit POV-pushing. As for explaining, my version is self-explanatory. You could do without, and I recommend you do without, the personal attacks. ] 15:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Dpotop, "Romanian" is a nationality. "Romanian Communist Party" is not. Quit POV-pushing. As for explaining, my version is self-explanatory. You could do without, and I recommend you do without, the personal attacks. ] 15:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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Icare, while I can live with most of your reverts, I really see no need for , you're blanking sources. Am I missing something?--] 13:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Dpotop, you are just adding in a new created subsection the Romanian text I just had used to write the information in the lead ! :))

If i may suggest, could you look at this ? It contains extremely interesting and complex information about two proposals made by Walter Roman to the Litvinov Commission:

  1. on 24 July (1944? or 1945?) he suggests the restitution of Transylvania to Romania, cancelling the Vienna's Diktat
  2. on 28 July same year, Walter Roman endorses the fromation of an independent state Transylvania

Letter 1 is endorsed by son Petre Roman, while letter 2 was unveiled by reasercers of Communism. It is a very intricate story, where the position of a Tofic Islamov is interesting as well. It is a lot of work to clear all this. Cheers, --Vintila Barbu 14:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I read about them, but I think it's controversial material. Let's finish the non-controversial part first. Dpotop 14:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I won't edit today any more. In fact, we added the same bit of info at the same time. BTW, I think this info does not belong in the lead, but do as you think. Dpotop 14:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
BTW: to DYK this article, we simply need to beef up the link with the Hungarian revolution, the involvement in many Comm parties and the brigades (the cosmopolite aspect). :) Dpotop 14:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Vintila, I have no idea what the SRSC is. I copied it from Crisan's book. Do you know what it is. Dpotop 14:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Dimineata

The link in to the Dimineata article poses several problems: the info does not appear to be backed by any other source, it is not properly referenced in the article, and the source is quite hostile to Roman (it's not like that is an independent newspaper). Dahn 21:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You mean the first wife? Well, cut her out if need be. Biruitorul 21:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I did. I could find no other mention of the marriage and his children, so this was probably one of those duds press feels the need to detonate from time to time. Dahn 22:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Levy

A few bits, if so desired:
(161) Valter Roman was abruptly removed as Minister of Posts and Telecommunications in December 1952; placed under house arrest; subjected to daily interrogations at the Contol Commission, where he was accused of being an enemy agent in Spain; and targeted as a likely candidate to appear in a Romanian Slansky trial. Uncertain of his own position with the thaw in Soviet politics and suspicious of the loyalty of the party's old guard, Dej maintained an atmosphere of fear and intimidation in Romania in oder to ward off any attempts to replace him. Hence, Valter Roman was sanctioned with a "vote of censure (162) with a warning" in May 1954 for his "repeated anti-party manifestations", and he was not formally rehabilitated until 1956.

Small issues

as the political locum tenens of General Mihail Lascăr, commander of the Soviet-organized [[Horia, Cloşca şi Crişan Division.

as the political commissar of General Mihail Lascăr, commander of the Soviet-organized Horia, Cloşca şi Crişan Division.

The problem is partly generated by my first inssertion of politruk. I agree political commissar is better. Only that in the Red Army they were NOT subordinated to the military commanders, but were doubling them. You can not be a political commissar to some general, but you are the political commissar of a division or other unit. So maybe:

as the political commissar of the Soviet-organized Horia, Cloşca şi Crişan Division, commanded by General Mihail Lascăr.

This is of course detail, but for example older Russians who will read, will immediately see it.:Dc76 23:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Romanian communist activist

I removed the first reference to this in the first phrase of the article. Indeed, the information comes next, and qualifying Roman as a Romanian is a bit misleading. Let's leave it to the reader to decide. Dpotop 14:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I can only hope that one day you will actually read a wikipedia norm. Dahn 14:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Which one do you have in mind? Because Roman was not born in Romania, did not do his studies in Romania, did not make his name (Valter Roman) in Romania, and only came to be a Romania-related public figure as a Soviet propagandist, at Moskow-based Radio "Romania libera". Dpotop 14:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Dptop, I already had this discussion. He was a Romanian citizen come 1921 to 1938 or 1940 (depends on which anti-semitic legislation referred to him) and again from 1944-1945 to his death. Him studying in Brno does not imply that he was a citizen of Czechoslovakia. He was a citizen of Hungary before the age of 5 (he is unlikely to have been one again in 1940); furthermore, one does not speculate about "letting readers decide what Maniu had for a citizenship", even though Maniu was Hungarian until the age of 45! To my knowledge, Roman never held any other citizenship. He was a member of the Romanian Army and an academic in a Romanian university.

Your comparison with Maniu does not hold, because Maniu always assumed his Romanian ethnicity, whereas Valter Roman assumed his Communist ideology. :) BTW, I don't really like the current start of the Iuliu Maniu article. I would have said "IM was an Austria-Hungarian and Romanian politician of Romanian ethnicity." Dpotop 15:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Again, ethnicity has no bearing on nationality. Furthermore, Roman was, well, nothing until the age of 5. Dahn 15:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

As for "making his name", I think you know perfectly what I meant.

As a matter of fact, no. I see no source talking about the Communist Neulander of before 1940. Meaning that he was at best another Communist. He made his name in the artillery unit in Spain. Dpotop 15:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
A Romanian artillery unit (speaking of assuming nationality...). But he actually made his name as a communist in Romania. Dahn 15:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages conventions clearly state that the nationality (not ethnicity) is to be specified in the opening paragraph. Cease being disruptive. Dahn 14:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll try another variant. Dpotop 15:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
... Dahn 15:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Why do you have to be such an ass, and not explain what you have in your head? I can't guess? Because my new version had nothing on ethnicity. I just left him a Romanian activist, as you wanted it. But did you read my text, at least? Dpotop 15:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Dpotop, "Romanian" is a nationality. "Romanian Communist Party" is not. Quit POV-pushing. As for explaining, my version is self-explanatory. You could do without, and I recommend you do without, the personal attacks. Dahn 15:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Blanking sources

Icare, while I can live with most of your reverts, I really see no need for this, you're blanking sources. Am I missing something?--Domitius 13:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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