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Hi Karak1lc1k! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Caracal several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

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An article you recently created, Ahmet Bican Ercilasun, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Misplaced Pages). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Misplaced Pages's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 14:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I will check it and make sure it meets the guideline, thanks. 𐰴𐰺𐰀:𐰆𐰍𐰺 · Karakylchyg 23:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Misplaced Pages. For the edit warring, stop. Additional reverts without consensus is just spreading the fire. Do not do this. Instead, put out the fire by bringing up a consensus for your edits. The personal attacks you made to other editors and on this talk page, including this, are unacceptable and uncivil. Consider this your final warning. Tails Wx 01:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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Karak1lc1k (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Reviewing administrator: Jayron32 17:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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{{unblock reviewed|1=Hello. After I've checked Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, @LouisAragon inputted my very old (7 to 10 year-old) talk page messages such as "It seems that you strongly show your "own subjective beliefs", considering the possibility of your nationality being Russian", "And also if you are not a member of a foreign culture, you have to shut up.", "So, please SHH. Learn it first, or I mean, live it first, or at least try to learn Turkish, at least boy, at least, before pretending "adulthood" (aka patronizing)", "How Kurdish? :D I think Kurds are a tribe of Turkic tribes from Kipchaks. I think you know all these knowledges. You are only a system historian, I am the realistic historian. You are a small, little boy...", All of these comments were made in the range of years between 2013 and 2015 (8 to 10 years ago). I created my Misplaced Pages account in 2013 when I was 18. First of all, I must inform you that I was a new university student in those years and I was a fresh clueless boy who did not research a lot about the subjects that I am interested. It was a little bit too early for me to create an account on Misplaced Pages but it's impossible in rebellious teenager years of people in general (especially first year of university) that somebody would tell what are the do's and don'ts on anything (it was completely unpopular to have a Misplaced Pages account, in Turkey, User:Beshogur can verify and confirm this). I made all of my good and we can call "real" researches after 2016 or 17. I was new to university and studies as a villager-backgrounded tribal boy (we are called Yörük generally and in my region our name is Varsak, as the tribal name) and the knowledge I have was equal to the ordinary/common people who have knowings on general standard ordinary things, but such extreme/fringe words such as "Kurds could originate from a Kipchak tribe" 7 or 8 to 10 years ago were based on only to some lines that was inputted by users into Turkish social forum-like platforms such as "ekşi sözlük", I was a little bit of a forum-guy in my teenager years and initial university years. I already acknowledge and accept that when I was younger I made all of these comments. I was new to Misplaced Pages and I was around 17 to 21 years old, quite a teenager and I was using Misplaced Pages for sure not with a responsible behavior and I made comments like it was a forum, I had no idea about Misplaced Pages rules because I did not encounter those, besides, it was very long long time ago. I already was warned by patrols or admin users like User:Kansas Bear in those days and I did not do same things after those multiple warnings, and this was the reason why I started reading on Misplaced Pages, rules and interesting articles for me. After that, after a long time from those incidents I made 500+ edits around my sphere of interests. After I slept well last night I woke up to this shock today. I love Misplaced Pages and here I declare that those talk page comments made by me couples of years ago from 2013 to 2016 were all because I was not familiar with non-forum-like project's strict rules, and I declare that after series of warnings years ago, I then realized that there were a lot of rules in Misplaced Pages and since then until last week I was in that average shape all around Misplaced Pages. But last days, particularly last 3 or 4 days, in general this week was a rough week for me in my personal life and I couldn't control myself in Misplaced Pages also, I am not a fully active editor on Misplaced Pages and I've never been and I still try to figure out some rules although I know most of them. I apologise from users like User:Drmies and others. I am originally a tribesman from mountainous yayla-villages of Taurus and I value my culture more than common people because after globalisation sped up people started to lose and completely forget about their cultural values. And so in this last week I saw people, in a number higher than I witnessed normally around Misplaced Pages, who insulted Turkish people and Old Turks on other talk pages around Misplaced Pages and I was a little bit agitated about that, there are many, so many people around Misplaced Pages, especially new users that insult Turkish/Turkic values by some trolling messages. After series of the negative things I read on Misplaced Pages talk pages since yesterday or for 2 or 3 days, I think you can understand that every people could find himself/herself in this kind of situation. The incident happened yesterday will not be repeated again, and I declare that I can assure you I will not attack anybody like I did yesterday against User:Drmies and other users particularly Bulgarian fellow Wikipedians on articles like First Bulgarian Empire. I thought they were one of far-right extreme nationalists just like the ones I witnessed in talk pages in the recent days. You can completely permanently ban me next time but I can assure you it will not happen again. I apologise and kindly request/ask you to unblock me from editing. I can provide what is needed for it. 𐰴𐰺𐰀:𐰆𐰍𐰺 · Karakylchyg 13:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)|decline={{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed|1=Hello. After I've checked Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, @LouisAragon inputted my very old (7 to 10 year-old) talk page messages such as "It seems that you strongly show your "own subjective beliefs", considering the possibility of your nationality being Russian", "And also if you are not a member of a foreign culture, you have to shut up.", "So, please SHH. Learn it first, or I mean, live it first, or at least try to learn Turkish, at least boy, at least, before pretending "adulthood" (aka patronizing)", "How Kurdish? :D I think Kurds are a tribe of Turkic tribes from Kipchaks. I think you know all these knowledges. You are only a system historian, I am the realistic historian. You are a small, little boy...", All of these comments were made in the range of years between 2013 and 2015 (8 to 10 years ago). I created my Misplaced Pages account in 2013 when I was 18. First of all, I must inform you that I was a new university student in those years and I was a fresh clueless boy who did not research a lot about the subjects that I am interested. It was a little bit too early for me to create an account on Misplaced Pages but it's impossible in rebellious teenager years of people in general (especially first year of university) that somebody would tell what are the do's and don'ts on anything (it was completely unpopular to have a Misplaced Pages account, in Turkey, User:Beshogur can verify and confirm this). I made all of my good and we can call "real" researches after 2016 or 17. I was new to university and studies as a villager-backgrounded tribal boy (we are called Yörük generally and in my region our name is Varsak, as the tribal name) and the knowledge I have was equal to the ordinary/common people who have knowings on general standard ordinary things, but such extreme/fringe words such as "Kurds could originate from a Kipchak tribe" 7 or 8 to 10 years ago were based on only to some lines that was inputted by users into Turkish social forum-like platforms such as "ekşi sözlük", I was a little bit of a forum-guy in my teenager years and initial university years. I already acknowledge and accept that when I was younger I made all of these comments. I was new to Misplaced Pages and I was around 17 to 21 years old, quite a teenager and I was using Misplaced Pages for sure not with a responsible behavior and I made comments like it was a forum, I had no idea about Misplaced Pages rules because I did not encounter those, besides, it was very long long time ago. I already was warned by patrols or admin users like User:Kansas Bear in those days and I did not do same things after those multiple warnings, and this was the reason why I started reading on Misplaced Pages, rules and interesting articles for me. After that, after a long time from those incidents I made 500+ edits around my sphere of interests. After I slept well last night I woke up to this shock today. I love Misplaced Pages and here I declare that those talk page comments made by me couples of years ago from 2013 to 2016 were all because I was not familiar with non-forum-like project's strict rules, and I declare that after series of warnings years ago, I then realized that there were a lot of rules in Misplaced Pages and since then until last week I was in that average shape all around Misplaced Pages. But last days, particularly last 3 or 4 days, in general this week was a rough week for me in my personal life and I couldn't control myself in Misplaced Pages also, I am not a fully active editor on Misplaced Pages and I've never been and I still try to figure out some rules although I know most of them. I apologise from users like User:Drmies and others. I am originally a tribesman from mountainous yayla-villages of Taurus and I value my culture more than common people because after globalisation sped up people started to lose and completely forget about their cultural values. And so in this last week I saw people, in a number higher than I witnessed normally around Misplaced Pages, who insulted Turkish people and Old Turks on other talk pages around Misplaced Pages and I was a little bit agitated about that, there are many, so many people around Misplaced Pages, especially new users that insult Turkish/Turkic values by some trolling messages. After series of the negative things I read on Misplaced Pages talk pages since yesterday or for 2 or 3 days, I think you can understand that every people could find himself/herself in this kind of situation. The incident happened yesterday will not be repeated again, and I declare that I can assure you I will not attack anybody like I did yesterday against User:Drmies and other users particularly Bulgarian fellow Wikipedians on articles like First Bulgarian Empire. I thought they were one of far-right extreme nationalists just like the ones I witnessed in talk pages in the recent days. You can completely permanently ban me next time but I can assure you it will not happen again. I apologise and kindly request/ask you to unblock me from editing. I can provide what is needed for it. 𐰴𐰺𐰀:𐰆𐰍𐰺 · Karakylchyg 13:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)|accept=Accept reason here ~~~~}}

Karak1lc1k, I appreciate your note. Let's get a few things clear, OK? First of all, I am not a Bulgarian. Or a Turk, or whatever. I have no vested interest in the content of the articles you edit, any of them, outside of wanting them to be as good as they can be. But even if I were a Bulgarian, AGF demands from you and from all of us that we do NOT, at the first sign of conflict, ascribe POV and motives to their edits. Moreover, if, as you say, someone makes an edit (or, in my case, reverts an edit--which I did for two reasons: one, your edit summary did not adequately explain, and two, your edit and its sourcing made the lead much more difficult to read; the lead doesn't require a battery of sources) that in your opinion may reflect a non-neutral point of view, you should explain that. And in this case, even a cursory glance at my edits would have shown you that I have no vested interest in the subject matter. So I hope you understand why I thought that your note on my talk page, and the comments you made on your talk page, were just shitty. I hate being ascribed a POV, and what I hate even more is to be associated with right-wing movements.

If those comments of yours were old, OK, that's helpful. I am sympathetic to what you say here, about global coverage of cultures that are under pressure. We clearly need more editors with a background like yours, not fewer. So while I won't be deciding on the unblock (it wouldn't be fair, since I'm involved), I will post a note on ANI asking for input from others and pointing them to your note here. OK? Drmies (talk) 15:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I think based on old edit summaries such ban is not fair. I think second chance can be given if the user wants to contribute. Beshogur (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

As he's daily active on Misplaced Pages (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/El_C ), is he or any other person neglecting or ignoring this case? It says "the reviewer is waiting for a comment by the blocking administrator", it's you User:El_C, what's the conclusion? It's been 7 days. 𐰴𐰺𐰀:𐰆𐰍𐰺 · Karakylchyg 14:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

No, check the ANI discussion. BTW, it isn't just a ban on "old edit summaries", there's also personal attacks and edit warring. Tails Wx 17:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I will not comment on the overall case, but I believe as pointed out, old comments are not relevant. Likewise, LouisAragon, who quoted Karak1lc1k at ANI, made this comment 9 years ago, around the same time as Karak1lc1k's racist remarks. It is clear that people change, so older edits and comments made by any editor may be disregarded with a reasonable rationale. Personally, I've been here only for two to two and a half years, and I can say my opinions changed considerably, and I've learned a lot. Cheers, Aintabli (talk) 00:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Aintabli: That must've been a long search. Congratulations. Although I've made some 70.000 edits to this project over the past ten years, and have written numerous GA's/FA/A-class/DYKs, a relatively new user decides to dig the archives to find one diff dating back nine years in reponse to a LTA sockmaster (-), with the sole purpose of defending user:Karak1lc1k's editorial pattern of the present and past. My oh my. You know what this actually tells about your intentions regarding this project? - LouisAragon (talk) 02:22, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Some comments on this unblock request may be seen at WP:ANI#I'm a Bulgarian vandal. EdJohnston (talk) 20:49, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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Alash Autonomy

Give me a page where the red flag of Alash-Orda would be described, Syrtanov developed a tricolor flag. The red one is the work of Prof. Trombitsky, so the flags section is dubious information with the flags of the original research. Kazman322 (talk) 14:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I mean, the source in the section is even not mention Syrtanov. Kazman322 (talk) 14:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

• Unblock on hold