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I created Beatriz García first

I created Draft:Beatriz García on November 2022 before Beatriz García as the editors literally copied my work so I feel the draft should at least be merged into Beatriz García. I have started this discussion on Talk:Beatriz García Dwanyewest (talk) 07:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Dwanyewest - I have tagged the article to have history merged from the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Re: Surfskating versus Carveboarding

Hi Robert, you left a comment on my Surfskating draft: Draft:Surfskating

You asked me to differentiate between surfskating and carveboarding, which I have done. The Carveboarding article shouldn't even be on here, because that only refers to a specific product that is no longer in production.

Thank you! Beehiel (talk) 14:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

A reply to your comment on Draft:Typhoon Jelawat (2018)

A consensus has not been made because no one had replied to my previous topic in the parent article's talk page. There hasn't been a comment in the talk page since October 2019 because of the WikiProject members moving onto the next season, which is why no one had replied yet. The guidelines in notability of tropical cyclones are listed here. I created another topic about the draft as a second attempt. luis 💬 16:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

World War II and the history of Jews in Poland: Arbitration case opened

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Userbox

Your preposition userbox gave me a good laugh. Born25121642 (talk) 10:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Request on 05:20:34, 17 March 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Ghdfghmp

• Ghdfghmp (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:National Beach Soccer Championship (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for deleting the draft. I could not do it but now it looks like it has been fixed!

User:Ghdfghmp - I didn't delete the draft. This was a case of blank and redirect. I only cut down the draft to a redirect to the article. That is a preferred procedure for drafts when an article also exists. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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Declined draft

Hello @Robert McClenon,

Thank you for the feedback! (Draft:Internet of Everything)

I would like to ask a question... I was actually trying to make a stub (not an article) because IoE is not the same as IoT.

The information I used is not useful to start a stub?

How could I create an IoE stub?

Thank you once again! best regards. Idividual1967 (talk) 12:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

User:User:Idividual1967 - Try discussing at the talk page, Talk:Internet of Things, to ask whether they think the topics are separate and whether a stub for IoE is in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply! Best regards. Idividual1967 (talk) 11:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Your close of Roald Dahl

Hi, you wrote in your close that No one has objected to changing the heading. Well, in fact I did, and not sure why you decided to overlook it. The issue is not whether the quoted remark was anti-Semitic; it perhaps was. The issue is whether a person can be accused, in Misplaced Pages voice, of anti-Semitism, additionally based on a single remark they made in their lifetime. While sources are free to write whatever they wish, us, we must always source such serious accusations instead of presenting them in Misplaced Pages voice. Hence my objection to the wording in the heading.

So, no, there was no consensus on this.

Regards, — kashmīrī  20:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Kashmiri - I have reread the discussion, and I see that I sort of overlooked what you had written, and that I partly agree and partly disagree. I don't think that having a subsection in the Controversies section about anti-Semitic remarks is stating, in the voice of Misplaced Pages, that Dahl was anti-Semitic. It is stating that there is controversy about remarks that he made that some consider anti-Semitic. I can understand why you think that the heading makes that statement in the voice of Misplaced Pages, but I disagree. I also note that you didn't dispute my comment that no one had objected to the change until after I had closed the dispute. So I see three options that you can take, going forward:

1. Discuss on the article talk page, Talk:Roald Dahl.
2. Submit a Request for Comments.
3. Do nothing.

Your call.

Robert McClenon (talk) 20:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

OK thanks. No. 3 I suppose. While it annoys me that slightest criticism of Israel's policy is instantly labelled anti-Semitism by some, it's not a hill I want to die on, if I may put it that way. — kashmīrī  21:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Kashmiri - He isn't being labeled as anti-Semitic by his detractors because of what he said about the State of Israel. His remarks about the Jewish people are labeled as anti-Semitic by his detractors. At least, that is the way I read between the lines. That doesn't mean that he was anti-Semitic, but it is why some of his remarks are considered by his detractors to be anti-Semitic rather than merely anti-Israeli. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

That's semantics. "X's speech supported Communism" and "X supported Communism" mean essentially the same for the average reader, next being "X was a Communist". Same with Dahl's remarks: they have already been used to turn Dahl into an "abhorrent" anti-Semite.. I think Misplaced Pages should try not to play a role in that.

Anyhow, leaving now for other commitments. Regards, — kashmīrī  12:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the declining of my draft

Hello and I’m sorry if I haven’t worked on Draft:Giorno Giovanna for many days, quite busy with my personal life. So, when tou explained the reasoning of why my draft is declined, should I discussed with fellow users if Giorno Giovanna is deserving of his own article, especially that when I looked in the history of his article, it was suddenly cut to a redirect with no discussion. Is that what I’m supposed to do? Lovelyquirks1 (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tyler Toney

Hi this is Cdelapp. Sorry to bother you but could you please help me make my draft ready for submission in any way? I just need to know exactly what I am doing wrong. Preferably I would like to know how many references I need, what ones I have that I can't use, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdelapp (talk • contribs) 16:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Cdelapp - As the talk page banner says, if I declined a draft submission, I will probably advise you to seek the advice of other editors at the Teahouse. I am not planning to go through your references in detail. I will repeat that this draft does not explain what reliable sources say about the subject. It says what he or his group say about him, which does not establish notability. If you want a more detailed review, you may ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I did ask at the Teahouse. Cdelapp (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Cullen's trolls

Probably best to just ignore. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Of interest?

Indeed. Please see User:Piotrus/Response#1._Lack_of_neutrality - if you haven't, you may find other parts of my rebuttal essay of interest. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Piotrus - I have looked at portions of your reply, and will read more of it soon. I did not know that Holocaust distortion was a dogwhistle for Holocaust denial. I will leave unchanged what I said, which is that calling any editor any sort of distortionist is a personal attack. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I fully agree this term is very slanderious, particularly in this context where it's just a synonym for denier of one of the humankinds biggest, if not THE biggest, tragedies. And if you have any questions about anything related to my Responce, do let me know. Btw, I recently submitted my evidence related to, among other things, using this term, to ArbCom here, which is based on my lenght Response. There will likely be some discussion of this on arbcom's talk pages and analysis, I hope. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:TTT

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "TTT".

In accordance with our policy that Misplaced Pages is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Misplaced Pages, and happy editing. Liz 04:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, well, User:Liz, this was different. It appears that what you deleted was not a draft article, but a redirect from a page move/rename that I did, not six months ago, but four years ago. If you, User:Liz, are cleaning up four-year-old dust, thank you, even if it does result in strange messages. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Errors in Draft Corrected.

The reasons because of which my draft was rejected have been corrected. Please have a look. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Draft:Babak_(Rababi) ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ (talk) 01:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Sig with false date

Is this what you wanted? SilkTork (talk) 8:08 am, 31 March 2023, Friday (UTC+1)

User:SilkTork - Yes, sort of, but not at 0256 GMT, 2 April. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

To get a sig without a date type ~~~, and then type in whatever date and time you wish. SilkTork (talk) 03:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but a careful observer will realize that I typed it in by hand. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

AfC related question

Hi Robert. Since you're involved with AfC, I thought you might be able help me with something related to it. What's the protocol for a previously AfC declined draft that has been subsequently improved upon by someone other than the draft's creator? Is it acceptable for someone other than an AfC reviewer to move the draft into the mainspace if they feel it's now ready? I'm not sure whether the creator is coming back since they haven't edited since the first week of December 2022, and their editing was fairly intermittent even before then. I thought about asking the AfC reviewer who declined the draft to take another look at it, but their user talk page states they're semi-retired and are no longer very active. FWIW, I advised the creator to try and flesh the draft out a little more before submitting it for review, but never heard back from them; so, I started doing so myself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Marchjuly - My advice is that there are three reasonable ways to do this:

1. Arrange in advance for a reviewer to be ready to approve the draft when you say that you are satisfied that it is ready for article space. Then resubmit the draft, and expect to see it approved.
2. Become an AFC reviewer, while planning to do reviews only rarely. There is no obligation as to how much reviewing a reviewer should do. Then resubmit the draft and approve it.
3. Remove the AFC templates that say not to remove them. The AFC templates say not to remove them because 99% of the time, removing them is done to game the system, but you will be removing them as a valid exercise of Ignore All Rules. Then move the draft into article space. Do not suppress redirect creation. When a draft becomes an article, there should be a redirect from draft space to article space.

Your call. They are all ways to do it. Please do not move the draft into article space without first removing the AFC templates. That leaves annoying cleanup for the AFC reviewers. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed response Robert. I think part of the the fun of Misplaced Pages is learning by doing, and I sort of would like the draft's creator to go through the AfC process so they gain a better understanding of things. So, I think I may wait a bit longer to see if the creator comes back. If they don't, then I at least know there are some options to choose from. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Potential sock

You commented on Draft:William Hanson, which is a duplicate of Draft:William Hanson (Etiquette Expert). There are two seperate WP:SPAs that have mostly kept to only one of the two drafts. Do you think this is something that should be brought to WP:SPI? TipsyElephant (talk) 02:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

User:TipsyElephant - SPI has been written. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:50, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

2024 libertarian presidential primaries

I apologise for not getting to you sooner regaurding it. The sudden response out of nowhere came at a bad time when i was not focusing on wikipedia. @25stargeneral

Yes i would like a moderated discussion, however at this time there are more pressing matter for me personally, and while there are issues that 25 star has yet to address with his statements, right now i do not have the time to debate on wikipedia. Dieselkeough (talk) 20:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Dieselkeough, User:25stargeneral - If you want moderated discussion, first resume discussion on the article talk page. If discussion is lengthy and inconclusive, you can file a new request for moderated discussion. You can, of course, wait until you both have time to spend on the discussion. During that time, events may change. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I do not want moderated discussion and I already expressed that. I requested page protection at RfPP and got it because of this editor persistently adding poorly-sourced content. That's the end of it for me. 25stargeneral (talk) 23:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Re: Your submission at Articles for creation: National Dong Hwa University College of Science and Engineering (April 14)

Hi, please send this message to User talk:林儀承 as I'm submitting this AFC per VRT request. GY Fan★ 06:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Regarding foreign-language support for an article and Draft:Suksan Bunta

Thanks ever so much for the reference to WP:NONENG over at Draft:Suksan Bunta. Indeed, for verifiability of content, non-English sources are clearly acceptable. However, is it clear that non-English / foreign language sources alone are sufficient to support notability per WP:NOTE? Is there policy or widespread acceptance to support an extension of verifiability into notability? Are there many examples of English-language articles surviving AFD where the only references supporting notability are non-English? Any guidance here would be most appreciated. Chumpih 18:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Chumpih - See the fourth bullet of the general notability guideline, which says that the sources need not be in English. I will note in particular that machine translation is available in Google Chrome for online sources. While the use of machine-translation for quotations is discouraged, machine translation should be sufficient for verifying that a source supports the notability claim. So, if the Thai source, computer-translated into English, supports what the article says, that should be enough. If you have any further concerns, you might ask at Village Pump. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that clear policy steer. Most appreciated. Chumpih 20:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Brynne Kennedy article

Hello. Responding to your comment regarding heading formatting on this article. Made the same comment on the talk page. Not sure what your comment meant, as the header formatting has the necessary markup and a TOC was generated for the draft article. Please advise. Thanks! Maddydogblues (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Maddydogblues - The title is too large. Please size it normally. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok. You did not mention that initially. Simple change, made. Maddydogblues (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello again. Is it possible to remove the comment from the draft article now that the correction has been made? Thanks. Maddydogblues (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Maddydogblues - Reviewer comments are automatically removed when a draft is accepted. The title was still too large, and I have removed the bold facing from it, and so I am leaving the comment there because I have not verified conclusively that the markup is correct, and checking the markup is never a bad idea. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks again. Maddydogblues (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Pellumb Xhufi

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Thanks for your submission to Misplaced Pages, and happy editing. Liz 20:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Liz - Thank you. This time, I really did create the draft. It was a machine-translation of his Albanian Misplaced Pages article, when I was trying to deal with a dispute about whether Xhufi is a reliable source. I am satisfied to see that draft go away because maybe that controversy has gone away for a little while. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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Draft Submit Comment

Is there a way to explain a submersion of a draft. The reason being is that the draft I submitted would replace the Funimation page as there are drafts of Crunchyroll, Crunchyroll, LLC and Funimation that would replace the current mainspace pages. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 10:41, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Ponniyin Selvan: II

The film is out now (https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/tamil/ponniyin-selvan-2-review-release-live-updates-aishwarya-rai-mani-ratnam-box-office-collection-8579283/), please is it possible to move it to the mainspace? It satisfies WP:NFF. But I might get blocked if I tag Ponniyin Selvan: II for deletion since I previously tagged it and Lourdes reverted it saying, "Let me know why you wish this page to be deleted when the draft has been rejected" and has not made any further edit since. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Kailash29792 - The draft is not ready for article space, because it lacks a Reception section. Write a Reception section and then submit it for review. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Please check now. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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Guidance and Help request: Dispute re article: Bill D'Arcy

I filled in a form setting out the dispute -- mentioning the other Editors's name (The Drovers wife) and my own. I have saved what I put on the form summarising the dispute but I cannot find where I found the form. As this is my first dispute with anyone. I do not know what to do next. I never received an answer to the form I filled in (some weeks ago). Your help would be most appreciated.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 05:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Gladiator-Citizen - Here is what I have found. You filed a dispute at DRN with User:The Drover's Wife in March 2023. I noted that you should notify the other editor. You didn't notify the other editor, and I closed the case. It was then robotically archived. But I also commented that she had not edited in about two months. Your dispute was stale by the time you filed it incompletely, and it is still stale. DRN is for current disputes, not for restarting disputes that fizzled out months ago. Your dispute is with an editor who has not edited since January 2023. So my advice is to go back to the article. You aren't likely to be able to discuss with The Drover's Wife, but you can either edit the article, or discuss it with someone else. What to do next is either to edit the article boldly or ask for assistance at the biographies of living persons noticeboard. If you have any more questions, ask them here. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much Robert McClendon. I thought I had let The Drovers wife know. But I will get my head together and have another go and see what happens. Please stick around!! Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 02:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

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RFC on Belarus Section of Coat of Arms of Lithuania

Hi, can you invite a neutral administrator to have a look at this RFC you started (see: Talk:Coat of arms of Lithuania#RFC on Belarus Section of Coat of Arms of Lithuania) and possibly close it as it was running since 1 March 2023, so for more than 1 month already? I think it requires attentive analysis of arguments (not only voting numbers) to ensure WP:NPOV decision. -- Pofka (talk) 20:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:DRN

Hi--Regarding this: The ongoing RfC you referenced in your closing remark is on the first sentence of the article lede and is effectively done. The dispute described at WP:DRN has to do with the "Accession and coronation plans" section, halfway down the article. The RfC and the dispute that requires outside input/assistance are two different things. Also, which other dispute resolution forum is this dispute pending on? None of the other involved editors notified me of such a thing... ₪ MIESIANIACAL 02:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)