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Per ], ], ], and ], such claims should only go on the page of the person who made them, if that person is notable. In your case, I believe the only acceptable place for expansion would be ]. -- ] 18:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC) Per ], ], ], and ], such claims should only go on the page of the person who made them, if that person is notable. In your case, I believe the only acceptable place for expansion would be ]. -- ] 18:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As Avraham's well-known for his POV edits here and engaging edit wars, '''most of the editors''' see his edits as vandalism and trolling, and his opinion can not be seen as NPOV. Deleting sourced content, from someone's official website that is used for quoting him, is nothing but vandalism. Look how he responds your statements: '''It's discussed before''' so you can not add anything, even if it has enough sources. The funny thing here is that he's also an administrator that locked this page many times, while he's engaged in edit wars. See logs for this page, to understand what I'm talking about. --] 18:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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Anti-semitic?

Could some please point me to the previous discussion on this topic. After all, we are labelling a living person, who has stated his respect for Jews, as anti-Semitic.Bless sins 20:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

No, the category is "antisemitism." This is included because Ahmadinejad, regardless of whether or not he is an antisemite, has been discussed specifically in the context of antisemitism. The meaning of this inclusion is not to say that he is an antisemite. The Behnam 20:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict)No. He is not categorized in Category:Anti-Semitic people. Rather, the actegory is Category:Antisemitism. Completely different and a consensus worked out months ago. -- Avi 20:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, long and difficult consensus worked out I might add. (→Netscott) 17:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

'wiped off the map' quote

This quote has been takn as fact here. However, is not Misplaced Pages meant to look any every sid eo fhte story to get a balanced biew? People have removed my referecnes stating that they are not reliable but quote as relible the very sources they everyone else sas is not reliable. Who funds Misplaced Pages? Or is this just a small segment of the editors that want to surpress? I gave references saying that this alleged "quote" was noyt exact. Firsto fo all I admit thaT i GAVE dAVID dUKE AS A REFERENCE. Some say yhis is not a reliable reference but is the BBC? I gave other references:

' has been widely discredited.

This was not acceptable and they were deleted regardless of their accuracy and 'un'bias. So, I gave others:

Not only were these others independent but also Video evidence of Duke and Israeli Zionists supressingi the truth.

I say that this quote was mis-represented. Is Misplaced Pages going to deny that? Robert C Prenic 17:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:ATT. David Duke is a fringe extremist, and per wiki policy is only usable as a source in the article about him. The BBC is a respected mainstream news source. The differences are both obvious and apparent. -- Avi 17:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Further, please look at the past 10 or so talk history archives. This was discussed at great length. -- Avi 17:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Duke may be extremist? OK. BBC may be extremist? OK. YOU TUBE quoting both sides? You even block that? I find it a joke that Duke is condenned as a source but the BBC isn't. If You Tube is regarded as either (and I am sure you can find an argument) then this only adds to the ever growintg belief that Misplaced Pages is Zionist controlled (NOT Jewish). I 100% refuted this for years under different names. I was adament, but now, regardless of you now calling me a hater (you did not directly) (which I used to call other editors) I now see it for what it is.
First of all, YouTube is not the source, it's only where you find the video from the original source. Second, even though CNN ran the interview, the source was David Duke. Third, your conspiracy theory indicates to me that you are not attempting to make this article neutral, but to give credence to your POV.--Littleman_TAMU 17:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The BBC a respeced source? Please! I will look at the past archives but this is like comparing these arguments to converted racists. This is rubbish. The least I expected Misplaced Pages to be was to give BOTH sides of a story? Will you deny that? What chance have I against an orthodox Kosher Jew? The next thing you will deny is that Zionists control the Porn industry or once cotrolled the slave trade? Wll you argue this? Robert C Prenic 17:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Both sides of the story are in the article, just not in the lead. Again, as Avi said, read the archives, most of these points have been discussed a lot. I would deny your porn and slave arguments and I'm not an Orthodox Jew, but I won't discuss it with you here.--Littleman_TAMU 17:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I can agree with Avi that I should read the archives. I have. And arguments are poor to say the least, regardless of what side you stand on. Deny my porn and slave arguments? That is fine and I respect that, but not discus it here? I find that odd to say the least. Misplaced Pages is an online Encyclopeida where both sides shoud be discussed and represented before being passed as fact. Why wll you not discuss this withe here? I am n o threat to orthodox opinioth? Robert C Prenic 18:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Zionist porn and slavery allegations are inappropriate here since this page is to discuss the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad article. Also, the religious identification of other editors does not matter here. Stick to the content and the focus of the article please, thanks. The Behnam 18:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
(e/c)I am actually very inclined to remove such "Kosher jew","porn" and "slave trade" commentary per talk page guidelines and not a soapbox. We're here on this talk page to discuss how to improve the article not go off on some rant about nonsense best left off of Misplaced Pages. (→Netscott) 18:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The Behnam, great. But where can I address this on Misplaced Pages? Both the Zionist porn and slavery? Please help me and I will co-oprorate happily. Robert C Prenic 18:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you have real reliable sources (not people like Duke), you could try to add mention of those allegations on the pages for those topics, but don't expect to do so successfully. Somehow I doubt the sources for those claims are reliable. I really don't know what to say. Misplaced Pages isn't a forum, so if you want to discuss the topics themselves you may have to go somewhere else. If you want to make claims about Misplaced Pages being unfairly Zionist-biased you might try the Misplaced Pages Review, a site where banned editors tend to go to complain about Misplaced Pages. In any case, this page isn't the place for it. The Behnam 18:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Per Misplaced Pages:Fringe theories, WP:NPOV#Undue weight, Misplaced Pages:Attribution#Using questionable or self-published sources, and Misplaced Pages:Attribution#Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, such claims should only go on the page of the person who made them, if that person is notable. In your case, I believe the only acceptable place for expansion would be David Duke. -- Avi 18:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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