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Question about notability standards and articles about comic book characters...

My article draft about a longstanding comic book character can't seem to get approved? The editors who keep rejecting aren’t comics people, and they’ve cited notability as the reason for the rejection. However, I’m confident that the article is indeed notable, and (very) well supported with high-quality secondary sources. It's significantly more notable than many existing Misplaced Pages articles about less significant characters. I feel that there’s an editorial content bias here, or at least a lack of knowledge about notability norms in respect to comic book media. But I don’t know how to tackle it. Any experienced hands out there with any tips? MorpheusDescending (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@MorpheusDescending: I'm more passing through here, but as someone that works on video game character articles for notability you need third party reliable sources discussing the character in terms of reception mainly. Have any sites discussed or reviewed the characters you're writing about and given some thoughts on them?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:46, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The {{Comic strip reference}} template is archaic

Hello, I am trying some updates on template:comic strip reference right now. Check out the differences in the sandbox version on the testcases page. The template has kind of rusted up for about a decade now, like a box chevy left on cinder blocks since 2010. Things I am working on include:

• preparing the template to merge with {{cite comic}}
• consistent formatting with {{cite comic}}
• accepting the url, access-date, archive-url, and archive-date parameters
• less cryptic page formatting
• wikilinks to make the abbreviation less cryptic
• adding the quote parameter
• making the template still work even if it's not filled out quite right
• optional link targets for shortened footnotes
• ending punctuation the same as the {{cite this}} family of templates

Rjjiii (talk) 09:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Updates are now live. I'll update the documentation soon. Feed back is welcome, Rjjiii (talk) 06:48, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Documentation is now updated. Feel free to copyedit or correct errors. The updated template data should allow easier use with the Visual Editor. Rjjiii (talk) 05:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Userbox

User:Est. 2021/sandUBX/test

References

Hi there, I'm experimenting new layouts for this project userbox. Do y'all prefer the current version or my proposal? Let me know your thoughts! Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 20:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Because "comics" refers to more than merely "comic books" (and includes the WP:ENGVAR issue with "comic"), the speech balloon on the light blue background has been the image for a very long time. Using an image of comic books is inappropriate.

Also, displaying with centered text for these is preferable, for what I would presume is obvious. - jc37 11:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jc37: You can center the text by simply adding center as a parameter, that's a personal preference; that's why I created {{User WP}} as a customizable template. I was now talking about the image. You may personally find literal comics inappropriate to symbolize project Comics, but I think that the current image is aesthetically unpleasant and not intuitive at all. That's why I asked here to the broader community. Cheers, Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 22:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

It's been the image for years for legitimate reasons. Your assessment of aesthetics is merely your opinion. - jc37 21:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what 'I think' means, smartman, that's my opinion. Yet you're affirming yours like it's shared by someone else, but I don't see anyone else supporting it. The fact it's been the image for years doesn't imply it can't change, consensus can change, and that's why I asked here to the broader community. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Head's up: Importance rating on talk page banners broken

Just giving a head's up about this. Tried setting an article I ran across to low, and it's still showing "???" with a ton of articles now categorized as such it seems.-- Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style § Is "no." or "#" meant to be used on comic issues?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style § Is "no." or "#" meant to be used on comic issues?. Rjjiii (talk) 06:47, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Abandoned drafts

User:Jstewart2007 has been indefinitely blocked, but he was working on two drafts, Draft:Justice League: Warworld and Draft:Valiant Cinematic Universe. Both are unsuitable for standalone articles at the time being, regardless of draft quality: the first one is an upcoming animated film and WP:NFF requires production to be in a more advanced state, and the second is a "cinematic universe" of a single film. They may be notable in the future, but if the drafts are not edited in a period of six months they would be deleted. Perhaps someone wants to "adopt" the drafts, and keep them updated and eventually submit them when conditions are finally met? Cambalachero (talk) 03:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Collaboration on British comics

• Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Comics/British comics work group

It sounds like several people would like to work together to collaborate on such articles. Please drop a note there if you'd like to join in : ) - jc37 13:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Major updates to {{cite comic}} and {{comic strip reference}} make them possible to merge

I've been working recently on significant updates to both {{comic strip reference}} and {{cite comic}}. Cite comic can now directly accept any comic strip reference. (When using the "strip" parameter, it will flip to comic strip formatting.) It supports a lot of standard parameters that I've seen people mention that it was missing like archive-url, archive-date, url-status, quote, and at. Old issues with whitespace are fixed, numerical parameters use the same prefixes as the CS1 templates, and the abbreviations are wikilinked to articles related to those roles.

It can be filled out and created from the visual editor now. It still supports the vast number of creator roles but the only things required are the date and title. For example,{{cite comic | title = Action Comics | date = April 18, 1938 }} creates:

Action Comics (April 18, 1938). Rjjiii (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Category:Christian superheroes

Hello, WikiProject,

I just came across this category and was surprised to see all of the Marvel characters classified this way. I'm no experts on comics but is this classification confirmed in the canon? Thank you. Liz 18:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: Daredevil (the comics version) and Matt Murdock (the MCU version) are both Catholics and faith is a large part of their characterization. Nightcrawler I know from passing that they are a strong faith-based character, though I couldn't personally say for what religion. The others I have no clue about nor know if religion/faith are a strong defining characteristic for them as it is for Daredevil and Nightcrawler. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Huntress is Christian, the cross she wears is not just decorative. Ultimate Captain America's religion was a relevant detail in the Ultimate Galactus trilogy (the first one, the one against the cosmic swarm) and his mini. I'm not so sure about the main Captain America, I don't remember any scenes or quotes regarding religion. I have never read the Illuminator one, but the plot description says that his powers come from God himself (as in a "God vs. demons" conflict), so I guess that one is fine. And I suppose we can easily add "DC Comics angels" as a subcategory. Cambalachero (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

(Pointless detail: the previous post had 666 characters) Cambalachero (talk) 14:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Ultimate Invasion

When the comic "Ultimate Invasion" was first announced, everybody thought that it would be a relaunch of the Ultimate Marvel imprint. However, as things turn out in "Ultimate Invasion" #2, it may seem that it is instead the launch of a new imprint, with a similar name and some nods here and there (such as character's designs and some pages with Howard Stark mimicking a scene from the original Ultimates comic) but unrelated in every other way. Basically, like Heroes Reborn (1996 comic) and Heroes Reborn (2021 comic). Should I rewrite the article accordingly (and remove Category:Ultimate Marvel titles and {{Ultimate Marvel}}), or wait until the story ends? Someone said in a forum that the Maker is the villain of the story and that it goes without saying that he will loose at the end and the alternate universe he's creating will not stand; and we should not focus on it but rather in what happens by the time the story ends and how does it do so. Of course, it's clear that the articles must follow what reliable sources say and not engage in fandom speculation, but what would they be saying here? If marvel was playing with everybody's expectations and played a false advertising stunt, then the sources that fell for it would be outdated. But saying that the sources are wrong and that this is not the return of the Ultimate universe, merely because of the plot of a comic whose complete story is not finished yet, may also seem kinda wrong. The guy from the forum I mentioned was doing speculation, right, but speculation based on an omnipresent trope that almost never fails to take place (that the bad guy looses). Cambalachero (talk) 02:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

This storyline is just beginning. I advise that you not go through with your plans until after a bunch of the upcoming issues and the "Ultimate Universe" one-shot. We are going to have to keep an eye on the Earth-1610 resurgence in the remaining issues. --Rtkat3 (talk) 22:46, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

User:JosephWC

Does anyone have any input on this situation? User:JosephWC tends to restore unsourced content when someone removes it, and he does not add any citations. He also posted on my talk page (at "You can do the citations yourself.") to let me know that if I want to have citations in an article that he's not going to add them and I would need to do that myself, contrary to the advice at WP:BURDEN. Could this be a WP:CIR competence issue with him, or is this a different kind of behavioral issue? Looking over his user talk page, I noticed that there are worrying concerns about WP:CIVIL as well, considering some of his responses to User:Blazewing16, User:Drmies, and User:Martin IIIa in particular. 2601:240:E200:3B60:9592:2091:C98F:C348 (talk) 23:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

When he say "DO IT", it means to be bold in general.

However, I can assume there is probably some content dispute going on here...

@JosephWC, any idea on what's going in here? Kaseng55 (talk) 23:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

To 2601:240:E200:3B60:9592:2091:C98F:C348, unfortunately, I do not. The only way to stop someone like JosephWC is to get an admin involved like Drmies, though clearly, the former shows no respect for them either. Short of an admin permanently blocking them, there's sadly nothing I can do. Blazewing16 (talk) 01:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm tired of others not doing the work Blaze, if they're gonna monitor pages, they at least should have some decency to do a search and look at the issues of said character and input them on themselves. JosephWC (talk) 02:00, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

So "the work" is something for others to do, not you, the person who is reinserting unsourced material? -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

what is that second part coming from? What are you talking about? Be specific, dude JosephWC (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

To User:JosephWC, when it comes to unsourced material, if you're going to leave it in and/or re-add it, the least you could do is provide a citation request. You know, the whole "" thing. It's not that hard. I mean, it's no guarantee that that the content it's attached to will stay in, but it's better than just putting unsourced material back and yelling at the people who removed it. If someone does that to a page I frequent and/or like, I'm not going to do the immature thing and fight to get it back in. There are rules to follow, such as WP:SOURCE and WP:CITE in this particular case, and I refuse to break a rule unless I'm legitimately unaware of one. I concede that I have added unsourced content myself without adding a citation request for one reason or another and adding sources is not in my wheelhouse, but I'm not going to demand everyone else do it for me like a lazy person. If there's a source available, I'll gladly verify whether it'll work for the material I intend to connect it to and copy/paste it accordingly since that's within my wheelhouse. Otherwise, I'm deferring to experts and/or editors who know better than I do. Lastly, I'm not saying any of this to offend you. I'm trying my best to educate you on my reasoning and what I do in these types of situations. Frankly, you remind me of me in that I struggle to control my anger too. In fact, I've also lost my temper when it comes to editors who legitimately vandalize Misplaced Pages and break the rules. What I'm trying to say is that being angry doesn't help anyone, especially yourself. You need to find more constructive ways to vent that anger, and Misplaced Pages is NOT the place for that. I'm painfully aware of how toxic Misplaced Pages is overall and I've taken breaks from here specifically to calm down and get away from it all. However, if what I said does offend you and you feel the need to yell at me, so be it. I'm willing to take it so no one else has to. Blazewing16 (talk) 16:15, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I did what needed to be done. 2601. JosephWC (talk) 01:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

JosephWC, I will give you a choice. Either you add only properly verified information and you address people courteously (and not

When i add future citations, I'll do it a calm manner, ok? Ok. But off the record this sucks that these citations have been on these pages for years and no one else has done anything about it. But I'll play ball. JosephWC (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

JosephWC - So I also had been going through your contributions, and I support Drmies notice/warning here, about references and civility.

Also, after seeing several of your comments to others, in particular about other online wikis/databases, I would encourage you to take some time looking through Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Comics/References and at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. I hope this helps. - jc37 23:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

thanks.... JosephWC (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome.

And if (as some of your comments seem to indicate) you are copying text from elsewhere on the internet, you might also find it helpful to read over Misplaced Pages:Copying text from other sources. - jc37 00:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I've moved away from it, i don't do it every page I visit. JosephWC (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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