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I'm going to create the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Taiwanese Baseball. People that are interested can join the WikiProject.

Jerry,

If you would like to create a page on Taiwanese Baseball, there is a fantastic history by Andrew Morris in David K. Jordan's The Minor Arts of Daily Life: Popular Culture in Taiwan. ""Could you please turn on your email so I could get more information to you?"" Maowang 00:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Republic of China

Hey, I don't really see the point of pipelinking "Republic of China" to "ROC". It removed accessiblity to information and is generally unhelpful. Please don't do it?--Jiang 02:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Moving County article

Please request the move before actually doing it. Your move concerned politically sensitive issues and therefore should be consulted on before you do it. Colipon+(T) 03:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

From the naming conventions.

As a general rule of thumb, the official political terms "People's Republic of China" or "PRC" and "Republic of China" or "ROC" should be used in political contexts (that is, to describe the existing governments or regimes) rather than the imprecise and politically charged terms "China" and "Taiwan." For example, "Hu Jintao is the President of the People's Republic of China" is preferred over "Hu Jintao is the President of China." Likewise, one should write "one must be an ROC citizen to vote in the ROC presidential election" as opposed to "one must be a Taiwanese citizen to vote in the Taiwanese presidential election."

One subtle yet important point: Misplaced Pages treats the Republic of China as a sovereign state with equal status with the People's Republic of China, yet does not address whether they are considered separate nations. Taiwan should not be described either as an independent nation or as a part of the People's Republic of China. Misplaced Pages should merely state the de facto situation that Taiwan is governed by an independent government/state/regime called the "Republic of China." '

The Republic of China is a sovereign state governing Taiwan. It should be noted that in political contexts such as the political division of the Republic of China (ie township) Republic of China should be included. -Sid212 04:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew most of that. But why are you telling me this? I only asked if you are one of Nationalist's sock puppets. By the way, if you didn't know, Nationalist is blocked for 72 Hrs, because he was being stubborn on those topics.--Jerrypp772000 22:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

And also, you can't just copy that from the page.--Jerrypp772000 22:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, he didn't exactly copy them. He missed the last few sentences in the 2nd paragraph above from the original one for some unknown reason:

When it is necessary to describe the political status of Taiwan, special note should be made of Taiwan's complex position. The term "province of Taiwan" can be offensive and should only be used when attributed to its source or referring specifically to the existing division under the ROC (for example, "James Soong was the only popularly elected governor of Taiwan Province").

Vic226_(chat) 00:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Taiwanese baseball

感謝您邀請我參加這個計畫。可惜我無法提供很多幫助，我的英文寫作能力很差，擁有的棒球資料也很少，頂多幫忙做一點小地方的修正而已。如果您需要的是大量地提升條目內容，很抱歉讓您失望了。--Jitcji 08:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• 考慮許久，我決定加入了～--Jitcji 14:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This is the English Misplaced Pages, not Chinese

This is the English Misplaced Pages and we should follow the naming conventions set forth. Please do not argue on this matter. Thank you. -Nationalist 02:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but what are you talking about? I mean like which article I edited are you talking about?--Jerrypp772000 02:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Please watch out for the possible 3RR violation on Jhunan, Miaoli

Vic226_(chat) 02:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I knew that. But he has to violate it first for me to have 4 edits in 24 hrs. so.--Jerrypp772000 02:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Just another factual note that WP:POINT#Gaming the system has the exact example of gaming the system by 3RR. Reverting only 3 times per 24 hours does not necessarily guarantee your innocence. That's what Yankees76 said about Nationalist with Taiwanlove. Regards, Vic226_(chat) 02:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll be more careful from now on. I'll discuss more than edit.--Jerrypp772000 03:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Obviously he is trying to game the system and wanting me to violate the 3RR. I am asking him to stop and look at naming conventions. He is the only one stubborn enough to not. Like for example, Vic even looked at it and has stop supporting his crusade. Please listen to reason. Thanks. -Nationalist 03:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I listened and wrote Taiwan (ROC), exactly what the naming conventions said. But why are still reverting it? And no I'm not trying to game the system, I'm just trying to make it less confusing.--Jerrypp772000 03:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Besides, I've always assumed good faith, why would I want you to be blocked? I was not even that upset when you used a sock puppet just to get me blocked.--Jerrypp772000 04:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

No the naming conventions dont say to write Taiwan (ROC). Show me the line of the Chinese Naming Conventions where it tells you to that. You keep trying to report me to 3RR. Also, I have seen you report me to get you request declined. Obviously, you want to stamp out all opposition to your view and the reality that the Republic of China governs Taiwan Province. -Nationalist 05:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Read the text above the POV tag, please.--Jerrypp772000 16:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC) -Nationalist

please show me exactly where that is..link and everything -Nationalist 22:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Go to here, read the paragraph right above the POV tag. Thanks.--Jerrypp772000 22:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Taiwan should not be described either as an independent nation or as a part of the People's Republic of China. Misplaced Pages should merely state the de facto situation that Taiwan is governed by an independent government/state/regime called the "Republic of China."

As a general rule of thumb, the official political terms "People's Republic of China" or "PRC" and "Republic of China" or "ROC" should be used in political contexts (that is, to describe the existing governments or regimes) rather than the imprecise and politically charged terms "China" and "Taiwan."

Keep reading.--Jerrypp772000 22:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, what you wrote was just about alphabetizing. NOt about the division/political status. We should follow the precedents in the Township and COunty articles for this. -Nationalist 22:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you know the reason why we should put ROC (Taiwan) when alphabetizing?--Jerrypp772000 23:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions

I strongly favor the independence of Taiwan, but the technical name of the country is the Republic of China. I see the user in question in this RfC changing it to Republic of China and I therefore see no problem with those particular edits. He has at times been somewhat incivil, but not egregiously. This is my position. Regards, KazakhPol 02:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you probably have some sort of knowledge of the Chinese history, but you might not understand that there are a lot, in fact most, of the people who don't. And since Taiwan is the common name, ROC (Taiwan) would not be inappropriate.--Jerrypp772000 18:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Jay Chou article, along the same lines, I know you're pro-independence, but again: on this page, it states that Misplaced Pages more or less wishes to avoid taking sides over the China/Taiwan debate. As you know, ROC is the name of the government on Taiwan and the islands that it governs, and it keeps the pro-PRC people at bay. -Pandacomics 15:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I have never said that! But Jay Chou is only a person from Taiwan, and this person has done nothing important to the gov't of ROC, therefore has nothing to do politically with the ROC. We also try not to make things political in Misplaced Pages, don't we?--Jerrypp772000 02:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Deja vu all over again

No need to inform me, I found it. User:Chunghwa Pride. Vic₂₂₆ 05:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw his/her edits. I highly suspect that's another of Nationalist's sock puppet. And I'm sure you do to! What concerns me is that it's weird that Nationalist would do all these stuff just to edit the articles. If he thinks his right, he should discuss more with us, or even inform an administrator. So it's kinda strange. Sometimes I feel like he attacked me and other users just because he didn't understand what we meant, or couldn't give us any better reasons.--Jerrypp772000 18:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You are terribly wrong. I am not Nationalist. I welcome anyone to perform a checkuser on me. I demand that you stop with your hurtful and insulting statements at me. I do not like that. -Chunghwa Pride 00:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I had only told you to discuss first before editing. Never asked you if you are one of his sock puppets.--Jerrypp772000 15:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Taiwan

Thanks for the advice Wenzi 12:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop 去中華民國化

國家名是中華民國 台灣是中華民國的一個省Alex678 22:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Uhh, I am not trying to 去中華民國化. The term ROC is only used in political context.--Jerrypp772000 22:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

So now you stop vandalizing Chi-ling Lin

That was true. And you didn't know about it?! What makes you think you are even Taiwanese if you don't know shit about what is going on Taiwna. You cant even answer a question about taiwan for beans. You probably arent even Taiwanese but some fat hairy guy living in the Bermuda Triangle. Just stop ruining Misplaced Pages. The fact is that the Republic of China is teh country and the common name is NOT Tawian. You have doubel standards. everyone is sick and tired of your Taiwan independence POV. We dont want that. Alex678 02:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)