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Hi Alladin

Thank you for putting up a picture of the Babri Mosque I have also addeded pictures of the beautiful Interior. It is important that this mosque is rembered. It seems some ardent RSS followers keep changing the commentry on the page with is from a neutral point of view and often vandalise it. As a favor Could you read the Babri Mosque Page page and if you agree that its neutral can you keep an eye on it the version is 16 DJan 2005 I add this date as it keeps getting reverted to some partsian rubbish

kind regards

Lalit shastri

I think partisan bias from both sides have sullied the Babri article. I just did an extensive revision, in which I toned down rhetoric on both sides, and reorganized the entire structure of the article. I deliberately left the Disputed Neutrality tag, because I think my version could benefit from some further editing. I have noticed a few worthy contributors whom I trust to continue the task.--A. S. A. 01:22, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

PD images?

Hi, why do you think Image:Israel&OccupiedTerritories map.gif and Image:Shark Palestine Caricature.jpg are PD? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:13, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for visiting my talk page. The map was published on line some time ago and is no longer available on the originating website. No copyright notices were violated. The caricature was released into free internet circulation and the PD by the author. Thank you. --A. S. A. 08:09, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

Request for AMA assistance

Hi, I'm the Coordinator of the AMA, and I am wondering if anyone has contacted you regarding you request for assistance. If not you might want to take a look at our list of members and also the Member Statements and see if there is anyone in particular you want to ask to help you. You can usually contact advocates on their talk pages or by sending them an email. If you have any problems getting assistance, please do let me know and I will try to coordinate something. — © Alex756 06:11, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your initiative. I put in a Request for Comment, and the resulting rejuvenated Talk discussions resulted finally in a consensus, and the caricature that was repeatedly deleted has been finally agreed upon and will stay. If it anyone reneges and deletes it again, I will follow your helpful directions and contact an advocate.--A. S. A. 07:15, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Babri Mosque

Thanks for your edits on this page, Just to let you know I have replaced your picture with a similiar but much clearer one and added a further picture of the front gate and a caption. I have added a quote from Uma Bharati from the Sunday Times whose correspondent witnessed the destruction. I have also corrected some spelling and grammer. Continue to keep an eye on this page and also the page on Jaffa Isreal which comes under similiar attacks from the right wing

Levy

I realize that you are passionate about the Babri matter, but I must tell you that in my opinion you are not being vigilant enough to keep the article NPOV. After careful consideration, I reverted several of your edits. The leading picture is a fine addition and I thank you for it. The second picture is really very superfluous, as there is already several pictures of angry Kar Sevaks, and more pictures are beginning to clutter the arrangement. Please see the Babri Talk section for more information on revert reasoning. Thank you.--A. S. A. 17:48, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder

... and yes, I'll pick up good Wiki habits eventually, Godwilling.

Again, many thanks. BrandonYusufToropov 11:43, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Please note my latest comments on Ariel Sharon re: dispute resolution. Jayjg 17:26, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Noted, thanks.--A. S. A. 17:27, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Have you tried, Misplaced Pages:Edit summary? --Viriditas | Talk 02:02, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi AladdinSE. In order to link to the sections you have edited, you have to include the Wikitext itself in the summary. So, if I wanted to have an edit summary which linked to this section, I would include ] in the summary field. If you have other questions, or this isn't clear, please don't hesitate to ask. Jayjg 14:31, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If you want there to be a little arrow and link, you have to edit a specific section, not the whole page. Wipiedia will automatically insert /* */ characters around the section headers, which will convert to the linked arrow in the Edit summary. You can enter the characters yourself if you want, but there is no guarantee the link will work then. Does that help? Jayjg 19:16, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Format of Babri Mosque

About the left-right image format, i feel that if all images are right justified then the article is easier to read and follow through. This is especially true of people using smaller resolution for their browsers, as they will have to constantly use the scroll bar during the beginning of the article. Also all images on one side makes the article look much better formatted. I hope i have convinced you about this and if you have any comments please leave a message on my talk page (talk). I am as of now not reverting the article until you input is in. kaal 04:59, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

According to what I read in Misplaced Pages about recommended picture layout styles, the alternating right-left method is optimum. In the Picture Tutorial, the recommendation reads: "Perhaps the easiest way is to make floating images alternate left then right - this way they don't come into contact with one another, and so can't stack up in an unattractive way." In my opinion all pictures alligning right wold be unattractive. There are all sorts of people with all sorts of monitors, we can't optimize for all of them, so I suggest following Misplaced Pages guidelines.--A. S. A. 07:39, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Settlements

Hilltop Youth could use some work. --Zero 01:11, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think I can do much for it. Initial googleing revealed little useful and NPOV info. Not even an official website. Perhaps later when I have leisure to look deeper.--A. S. A. 22:53, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

UN Resolutions

Would you be able to please put these at WikiSource? Full texts of such things don't belong in Misplaced Pages itself - these should only be for encyclopedia articles on the resolutions. You'll find a lot of them are already at WikiSource - myself and another couple of people have put in quite a lot of effort there. It'd be great if you could help out some there - but if this is the case, it'd be nice if you could look at a couple of the current examples and used the existing examples. Ambi 15:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I was mulling the idea of transwikifying the full text of the resolutions into Wikisource, but that requires some research on my part because I am not yet knowledgeable in this area. My first work on a UN resolution article used as a guideline another Misplaced Pages article on a UN resolution which had the full text of the resolution as well as some commentary and analysis, if I remember correctly; therefore I just followed that format by including the full text. The recent initial creations on UNSC resolutions I made were only because they were linked (to Misplaced Pages not Wikisource), but not created, by other editors in articles I was working on. I created them so that they would not be broken "red" links. If these articles were to be transwikified, or rather, the full text of the resolutions were to be transwikified (into Wikisource), then articles that link to these resolutions can link to Wikisource not Misplaced Pages.--A. S. A. 15:59, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

The Israel and the UN page -- or whatsitsname

Aladdin,

I looked at the page -- it seemed rather LUMPY, and tit-for-tat. It doesn't immediately scream BIAS, except perhaps in the last section, where the pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli content of the UN resolutions is analyzed and the UN resolutions are said to be more pro-Palestinian. Yes, well, so? If the Palestinians have a better case, wouldn't they get more support? The analysis purely in terms of power politics, avoiding all the ethical and philosophical issues involved, is really quite misleading.

That said, I'm not sure that I want to jump into the maelstrom of Israeli-Palestinian debate. My own political position (I'm anti-Zionism, anti-Palestianian-nationalism, anti-nationalism of ANY sort) is so far from the norm, and my distance from both sides so great, that I'm not sure I want to make the effort. Zora 21:05, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ibn al-Tiqtaqa

Hi AladdinSE:

I myself am an historian and am am beginning a concentration on an area I know little about, Islamic history & civilization. I began a page on Ibn al-Tiqtaqa, but I only have 1 source in English thus far. I would like to attach the page to Ismail I, however my source, Toynbee uses the phrase "forcible conversion". perhaps you can give me some help. My efforts are to arrive at facts etc, not to peddle a point of view. Thanks nobs

I'm not sure forcible conversion is accurate. The Encyclopedia Britanica's article on Ismail I says: "The Shia sect of Islam was proclaimed by Ismail l to be the established religion. The fact that much of the population considered him a Muslim saint as well as shah facilitated the process of conversion." As for other sources, I'm afraid I can only direct you to a library and also to google the man. Try alternative spelling Ibn al-Taqatqa. Good luck.--AladdinSE 01:46, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

Image up for deletion

I see that User:IZAK didn't think to drop you a note that he has proposed deleting Image:MoneyJews.jpg. (See Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion#March_31, where I imagine you will want to weigh in) I understand his concern, and while I do not entirely agree with him (I think that for the article where the image is used, it is appropriate), you really might want to consider whether inclusion of images like this, even contextualized, may open doors that are better left closed: I can imagine a lot of similarly hateful images of various groups and individuals becoming part of Misplaced Pages, and it's not a pretty thought. In any case, you might want to consider re-uploading it with a less provocative and more descriptive name (like Image:NaziPropagandaMoneyJews.jpg. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:38, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)