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::Now, let get this very straight. Ralhazzaa, you are asked formally now to stop doing what you've been doing. If you really need a legal advice, you can do it but you should never again try to ask people to join a debate where they never participated at especially from outside the en.wiki. Indeed, we got plenty of admins '''HERE''' who will be willing to help you in this matter. Mardavich, you cannot follow any user all the way long and try to scrutinize their edits. You got plenty of interesting things to do here. Please guys take this advice and save us some time. -- '']'' - <small>]</small> 10:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::Now, let get this very straight. Ralhazzaa, you are asked formally now to stop doing what you've been doing. If you really need a legal advice, you can do it but you should never again try to ask people to join a debate where they never participated at especially from outside the en.wiki. Indeed, we got plenty of admins '''HERE''' who will be willing to help you in this matter. Mardavich, you cannot follow any user all the way long and try to scrutinize their edits. You got plenty of interesting things to do here. Please guys take this advice and save us some time. -- '']'' - <small>]</small> 10:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
== Another Arabic-English verification issue ==
With thanks for your help at == Islam and children == there is another translation/verification ongoing issue at ] that you might see from the talk and histories. One author has insisted on verification of ALL material sourced from a work called Za'd al Ma'ad by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya. It is only available in Arabic original and I think quite hard to find. The cited page numbers are 160, and 114-116 of Part 1. Would you be able to confirm any or all of what this work says about Muhammad's slaves, their names and characteristics, and his relations with them. Below I excerpt the part of the article that has had problems because of the insistence of verification of the foreign language source. Do you have any ideas for us?
<blockquote>==People personally enslaved to Muhammad==
Muhammad employed several slaves for his domestic needs.<ref>Imam Bukhari Vol. 7-#734</ref> One was employed as his tailor.<ref>Vol. 7-#344 and #346</ref> He took, purchased, sold, and gave away slaves. According to Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, he 'had many male and female slaves, he used to buy and sell them, and he purchased more slaves than he sold'.<ref>, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, p160</ref>
Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. Traditional biographies of Muhammad give many examples where Muhammad's companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. Meer Ismail, a medieval historian, writes in ''Buloogh al Muram'' that his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves.<ref>Nadvi (2000), pg. 453</ref>. One of Muhammad's slaves was reportedly employed as his tailor.<ref>Vol. 7-#344 and #346</ref>He took, purchased, sold, and gave away slaves. According to Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, he 'had many male and female slaves, he used to buy and sell them, and he purchased more slaves than he sold'.<ref>Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, p160</ref>
===Female slaves===
*] <ref name=Zad116>Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya recorded the list of some names of Muhammad's female-slaves in ], Part I, p. 116</ref><ref>Al-Bukhari, Al-Sahih, vol. 7.1, as cited Hekmat, Anwar (1997). Women and the Koran The Status of Women in Islam. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 209. ISBN 1-57392-162-9</ref>, according to Islamic account she adopted Islam and became a ]. She lived more than a decade after him as a widow and became involved in the first power politics of the early Muslim community and left a large inheritance to her Jewish family.
*], a Coptic slave given to Muhammad by a Byzantine official. She gave birth to ] <ref name=Zad116/> whom Muhammad loved dearly. Some sources indicate that she was freed and became Muhammad's wife, while other sources dispute this.
*Maria's sister Sirin. He gave her to Hasan Thabit, the poet. Ibn Sa'd says that Muhammad "liked Mariyah, who was of white complexion, with curly hair and pretty."<ref>from "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" (Book of the Major Classes) by Ibn Sa'd's</ref>
*].<ref>http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMohammedGetSoManyWives.htm#_Toc137729560</ref><ref name=Zad116/> Captured after a battle. She tried to poison Muhammad.
Further names of female slaves of Muhammad referred to in Za'd Al-ma'ad: *Salma Um Rafi' *Maymuna daughter of Abu Asib *Maymuna daughter of Sa'd *Khadra *Radwa *Razina *Um Damira Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya lists in addition two other female-slaves. One was given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in war.
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya lists in addition two other female-slaves. One was given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in war
*Salma Um Rafi' <ref name=Zad116/>
*Maymuna daughter of Abu Asib <ref name=Zad116/>
*Maymuna daughter of Sa'd <ref name=Zad116/>
*Khadra <ref name=Zad116/>
*Radwa <ref name=Zad116/>
*Razina <ref name=Zad116/>
*Um Damira <ref name=Zad116/>
</div>
===Male slaves===
*]. Zayd was freed and became Muhammad's ].<ref>http://www.islamicity.com/dialogue/Q20.HTM</ref>
*a black slave called Mahran, who was re-named (by Muhammad) Safina (`ship')." <ref name=zad114/> He was 'forced to do more labor than the average man'. Mahran related that on journeys with Muhammed, 'even if I were already carrying the load of 6 or 7 donkeys ... anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load.'<ref>Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, p160. Also recorded by Tabari.</ref>
Some other reported slaves of Muhammad were:
*Midam. Accidentally killed.<ref>Imam Bukhari Vol. 5-#541</ref><ref>Malik's Muwatta, Book 21, Number 21.13.25</ref>
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya lists: "These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves <ref name=zad114>"Zad al-Ma'ad" (part 1, pp. 114, 115, and 116).</ref>:
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Dear Mr. Fayssal,
What can I do with those "bad edits" as those accounts are linked with my Bio. Can't you put a note or do any other arrangements to avoid future problems.Rajkumar Kanagasingam13:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that I've moved your article Radio Shalom Montreal to the station's actual broadcast call sign CJRS, now that this has been confirmed — Misplaced Pages policy is that radio stations are titled with their call signs rather than their brand names if they broadcast in a country where call signs are used, known and publicized. The "Radio Shalom Montreal" title will still exist as a redirect, though, so don't feel obligated to remember that call sign if you need to link to it from other articles. Bearcat21:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
An editor is continuously vandalising my Bio over dispute related to Talk:Anton Balasingham. The editor tried hard to delete my Bio from wikipedia. You can see the evidence here(1) and here(2)'
The editor is taking an undue interest over my Bio and deleted over Citation. I have restored the information. Please you check my Bio whether Citations are enough. Though I have off-line media archives(which are attached on Talk:Rajkumar Kanagasingam, I couldn't bring it to the articles. Please verify the Citations and comment on this.Rajkumar Kanagasingam03:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#His_accusations What is the recourse when such accusatiosn are thrown at users ? Also how did you take his word and remove the block without proper investigation when he makes such serious allegatiosn against other established wikipedians against WP:LIBEL. Where is the fairness in the process as far as the accused wikipedains are concerned ? Thanks RaveenS13:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Raveen. Could you please provide me w/ a link to the accusations you are refering to? Cheers. -- FayssalF - 15:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I have read somewhere that I cant request a check user on myself, but someone else can. Can you kindly request a check user on me ? Much appreciated RaveenS15:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Unprotect my userpage. I have discussed the issue with admins long ago. Many people express their political views on their userpages. Now I see what kind of person you are. Leave me alone, I am sorry for thinking you could help me. Unprotect my userpage if you will, I have every right to have this userbox. Embargo15:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Bias to your Sephardic brethren is flagrant. You have no right to do what you did. My userbox has been discussed long ago, and everyone decided I have the right to keep it. If users have the right to express support for Israel and contempt of Hezbollah, I have the right to express the opposite. Avoid double standards. Now unprotect my userpage, and stop provoking me into insulting you. Embargo15:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Things you fail to understand
X supports Y is not harming to anyone.
X supports Y against Z's MASSACRES is annoying and disrespecting other contributors. It creates a bad atmosphere and dealing w/ it is time consuming. Read What can I not have on my user page? for more information.
You wrote If users have the right to express support for Israel and contempt of Hezbollah. Wrong. You have the right to support whoever you want but do not disrespect others by saying that the commit massacres. We removed every userbox which mentioned that Hezbollah is a murderer and Israeli massacres is no different than that. This must come to an end.
You wrote Avoid double standards...and stop provoking me into insulting you. I am not provoking you BUT you are the one provoking other people because of your userbox. No one is insulting you.
You wrote Bias to your Sephardic brethren is flagrant. Sephardi are people just like you and me and it is your bias when you make a difference. -- FayssalF - 16:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Why don't you concentrate on editing instead of spending all the time arguing about a userbox? -- FayssalF - 16:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Look "Fayssal" I'm not going to repeat it again. It has been decided that my userbox stays. Many people have the same sort of userbox. Many people express their political opinion rather violently. You don't get to decide what I want to have on my userpage. You are asked for the last time to avoid trouble, and unprotect my userpage. Do not take it this far. This is the last time. Embargo00:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
This is what i was talking about at the section above (i.e. things you fail to understand). You presume that i am a Sephardic Moroccan Jew. This means, according to your logic, that my actions are biased and that i was unfair to you as you are a supporter of Hezbollah!
First, i am an Arab Muslim Moroccan and my personal name (Fayssal) may tell you a bit about that. Second, i removed all useboxes that mention Hezbollah is a murderer long before you created your account. Third, i am editing wikipedia and fulfilling my tasks as an admin and know that Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox and the main task is editing. Your account spent most of the time dealing w/ the userbox instead of concentrating in editing. Fourth, you have the right to keep a userbox as long as you are not bothering anyone. So why do you insist keeping Israeli massacres on it while asking about the removal of Hezbollah is a murderer. Isn't that considered a double standard? -- FayssalF - 15:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Fay, just wanted to say a big thanks for co-nominating me on my Rfa which passed today! I was honoured that I was asked by you and I promise I won't let you down, if theres ever any problems, let me know Ryanpostlethwaitecontribs/talk21:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Concerning your Admin Coaching assignments
Your name is still listed at Misplaced Pages:Admin coaching/Volunteers. The department is heavily backlogged with student's requests for coaches, and we need your help!
Note that the instructions may have changed since the last time you checked, and the department now follows a self-help process...
Hi FayssalF. Thank you for participating in my RfA. Rest assured that I heard every voice loud and clear during the discussion, and will strive to use the mop carefully and responsibly. Thanks for your support, and please don't hesitate to give me constructive criticism anytime. Xiner (talk, email) 02:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, FayssalF. I notice that you recently experimented with a reduced font size on the Refererences section of the Battleship article. Do you mind if I change it back? The smaller font is very difficult to read on my monitor, and seems inappropriate for such a large area of text.
Hi John. No worries. You can change it back of course. I just wanted to gain some space as the article is so long but your concerns are pretty valid as well. Cheers. -- FayssalF - 12:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I just followed the link given which states: The Truth About the Talmud is copyrighted material excerpted from Michael A. Hoffman's book, "Judaism's Strange Gods" which was published in the year 2000 - Unauthorized duplication is strictly forbidden. Btw, this addition was added by User:Benyehuda on its own page on 11 March 07 and was subsequently deleted by User:Newyorkbrad. The next previous day exactly the same was added by User:Thestick. I am convinced User:Thestick was trying to add offensive material under a different username. I asked User:Newyorkbrad if any action should be taken (if there was enough evidence) against this sock-puppetry. I have not yet had a reply. Chesdovi12:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I created that section on march 10th, nice distortion of the facts chesdovi . Also I think citing Hoffman's article is fair use, it was not a 'reproduction' and was written in 3rd person. thestick13:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I sourced with a link to Hoffman's page too, also I didnt write about racism in the talmud , I wrote about the verses considered by michael hoffman as racist/hate literature. Any suggestions? thestick13:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Let User:Thestick neutralise the article by providing the rebuttals as well not just quotes which offend. Why should someone else have to do the work? Chesdovi
Yes, thank you, it helps (the book is a little bit expensive - will get in a library). By the way is there any connection between the massive conversion to Judaism in North Africa and the Punics? Was just wondering because St. Augustinus mentioned that these Canaanites spoke a language quite similar to Hebrew with whom they shared quite a lot of culture, expect the number of gods and some other habits. Isaac, the mahout of Charlemagne's elephant, gave me the idea. Just in case you have an idea on this topic, would be nice to add some info after the Third Punic War. Wandalstouring18:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just found a very interesting material at the Phoenician encyclopedia:
Thanks for the quick answer, well, the history of what is Hebrew, Phoenician and what these Canaanites do share or not is quite interesting. Research uses sometimes Hebrew traditions to understand what we know of Phoenicians and vice versa. So, going really deep into the task could mean to get out what happened in Canaan that led to the rather rural southern area becoming monotheistic, while the old polytheistic belief and institutions continued in the northern cities of Canaan. Of course Canaanite rituals did survive in the Thora and there seems to have been a tendency to adopt or continue some Canaanite practices in ancient Israel. However, that is no longer part of my self-imposed task, but it makes me just wonder whether we do understand the history of Judaism correctly. Personally, I wonder whether the Canaanites were possibly converted by a group of immigrants and thus formed a new ethnicity, what would make it quite a usual event in history. Wandalstouring12:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know that Jefferson is that much of an issue. Did anyone ever consider that the father in the genealogy and the biological father of one of him or one of his ancestors may not have been the same person? Just makes me wonder. Wandalstouring14:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Sa.vakilian. If the pictures such as Iran-chemical.jpg are under fair use than i see no need to delete them as they can be used later on when needed. You can replace them inside the article by using the ones GFDL license while preserving them for a future use in case that would be needed. Cheers. -- FayssalF - 13:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I have an account at the Commons. I will upload them them and put them in War Category:Iran-Iraq War. This way they would be easier to be found. Please give me the links to all the pictures you need to transfer to the Commons so i'd categorize them there. Cheers. -- FayssalF - 13:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll delete Iran-iraq-war-gas-masks.JPG as it has a printed note of the owner. The rest i'll transfer them to Commons as per above. I am not sure if i could get non-Iranian POV pics. -- FayssalF - 13:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Fayssal, how's it going? I've just finished adding and fixing the Arabic script (per the WP:AMOS guidelines) to, hopefully, all of your articles. However, I couldn't figure out what the Arabic script was for the Assahra Al Maghribiya and Chaïbia Talal articles. Can you please add them yourself? You can use "({{lang-ar|'''Arabic script here'''}})" for doing so. Thank you and have a good day. :-) - Anas12:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
HI Fayassal, Several memebrs of Film project are concerned that some of the list of films may be deleted if they are not imroved soon. It would be very helpful if you could help fill in the List of Egyptian films. Thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦21:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ernst. Thanks for letting me know. I've included all films from Egyptian films category into the article. Cheers. -- FayssalF - 16:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Super work amigo. Great! THat list shows up the classical Egyprian cinema era! I am all over the world trying to fill in the lists. When I have time I'll add films from all the emptyish decades to there is more even coverage. THanks very much for your help. Top man. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦17:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
THankyou!!!!!!! Really appreciated!! U also keep up the great work. Glad to make you r aquaintance. Anybody who is a friend of Anas Salloum is a friend of mine anyway!! Cheers! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦19:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
hehehe. Nope. I've seen User:Faisalt (i am not sure about the spelling though) doing some minor edits here lately. -- FayssalF - 15:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
An AFD on my Bio Rajkumar Kanagasingam is brought only to distract the offences at wikipedia after stealing my e-mail address and thereafter my wiki passwords by Netmonger and his/her group and nothing else. How this user can bring this AFD before he clears himself from the offences which is now under investigation under an Administrator’s supervision and the details are here.Rajkumar Kanagasingam04:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
el-Meliguy
Hi Fayssal, what's up? The article's not quite ready. I've still got some expanding and citing to do in the "Career" section, work which I completed a couple of days back when I unconsciously closed that page's tab, without saving! Devastating, I know. Don't worry, I'll be publishing it the second I'm done. :-) Cheers! - Anas12:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, if I may add, great work adding those films to the list. You got pretty much everything in there. I guess it was somehow in my benefit to be absent yesterday. :-) - Anas12:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Assamese film
Hey check out my new articles Joymati and Phani Sarma. I started them because when filling the lists I came across the Assamese cinema link and it was barely four lines long and it was linked with the global template!! So I am going to add a few films and actors from a completely missing industry. They need to be referenced but are almost verging on B-class I think already. I happened to see a Nepali film on You tube and film from that area got my interested! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦17:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I made this template and use it as my signature. But today an admin deleted it and I made it again. Is it against wikipedia policy?Sa.vakilian(t-c)--17:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt interference in the article Clásico Regiomontano. You blocked it on February 27, and this put pressure on all the involved to stop the edit warring and reach a consensus, as you can see in the talk page. Could you please unblock the article so that the consensus can be exercised?
Again, thank you so much!
Hari Seldon01:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Would you be able to drop by and verify an Arabic-English translation of a short section at this location: Another user has required it. With regars, DavidYork7100:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi David. I did my best and posted a new and complete translated version at the article talk page. -- FayssalF - 14:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
greater morocco
hi,
i was just wondering - there's a never-ending battle going on over at greater morocco (i think you can guess the outlines of it), and it would be good if you wanted to take a look at it. you're moroccan, know the subject and i've always found you to be a very fair editor.
there's a longer presentation of this on the talk page, but in short, the dispute concerns two competing versions of the page, one of which is a drastically shortened version of the other. i want the original back, since it's frankly so much better, and i'm perfectly willing to have it edited further afterwards to make everyone happy. but i'm reverted every time i try to restore it. i've already tried a RfC, but to no use.
any input is welcome, whether you agree with my position or not, to help move this forward. i'll also ask Francis Tyers to have a look at it, since he's been involved in these issues too. Arre02:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Arre. I've been watching the edit warring going on at a couple of Morocco/WS related articles. I really think i am fed up w/ all the fuss especially that that led to an indef block of Justin.
Nevertheless, i think that both versions are everything but contextual. No context is offered. I do, however, see the Pre-colonial situation and Allal El Fassi and Istiqlal sections as a good background but relating all of this background to every political or military conflict in the region is erroneous. This doesn't mean that the version defended by Wikima and Jalil is the best one.
Another problem w/ both versions is that they employ one source per version. Both versions are clearly missing this important point.
In brief, the main focusal point should be Allal El-Fassi and the ideolgy of the Istiqlal party just after Morocco's independence. As a Moroccan, let me assure you Arre that only few Moroccans know about greater Morocco. I suggest a total rewrite and that should come out from the discussion page. I have no problems at all in participating in the discussion if you, wikima and Jalil would agree w/ a fresh new version. The participation of Francis and collounsbury would be a good thing as well. Cheers mate. -- FayssalF - 15:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I am so sorry about that. I've been receiving tons of emails sa. I promise i'll answer you later today. -- FayssalF - 10:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Persian/Arabian Gulf dispute
Hi Fayssal,
These articles Persian Gulf naming dispute and Persian Gulf realted to history, name translation, etymology and naming of Persian/Arabian Gulf is protected now , but still looks highly biased with many disputed and controversial information. Discussion is going hot in talk page with many political backgrounds. It looks like an edit war!
I would like to ask you kindly, as an admin, to tag these pages as Disputed "template:neutrality" according to the policies of Misplaced Pages as it is higly controversial and disputed topic just like Sea of Japan naming dispute, Politics of Khuzestan, History of Palestine, History of ancient Israel and Judah and many other pages talking about this part of the world. I wish users of interested in editing these pages (including myself) reach NPOV as soon as possible. Thanks a lot... Ralhazzaa 10:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Reply
HI FayssalF,
The article is well referenced, the overview is a summery of the entire article in the same style as any other article. I do understand that you're from Morocco and you have your own POV, but I am still surprised that you're supporting User:Ralhazzaa despite the fact that he was essentially soliciting you based on your background. I'm saying this based on the fact that User:Ralhazzaa had been cherry-picking Arab users and mass-spamming them here on English wikipedia to act as his meat-puppets, before he was asked to stop by the admins here, so now he's doing it in Arabic wikipedia. That's why I don't think such disruptive behavior should be awarded. See my reply on the article's talk page for more details.--Mardavich12:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mardavich. Thanks for the comment. I just want to explain to you some facts re my conditional support to the NPOV tag.
First and above all, being a Moroccan has nothing to do w/ our issue. I call that a stereotyped characterization of co-editors, especially when someone tries to describe the ones w/ whom s/he disagree w/ in order to show the bias. Wrong. I've been here for 2 years now and i've never been engaged in any edit warring or POV pushing, be it in Morocco-related articles or Arab-related articles. Please correct me if i am wrong at this.
If you go back to my conditional support and try to read it carefully, you'd understand what i mean. I know very well the subject Mardavich and know of course that the term Arabian Gulf has been introduced by some Arab countries in the 20th century. However, i pointed out to the fact that the overview section (which is very important) is unreferenced and once it is referenced, my conditional support would shift to an absolute disagree. I have no book ref which i can add it as a ref to that section. Please do if you got one. Again, your message above would have had grounds if only my stance was to support the tag. It wasn't the case.
The problem(s) you raised about Ralhazza doesn't really concern me unless if it was under an RfC on his behaviour. -- FayssalF - 13:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Can you please translate this comment for transparnecy on English wikipedia. Ralhazza has been clearly warned about canvassing other users in POV disputes, it looks like he's doing it now in Arabic and via e-mails to escape any scrutiny of his disruptive conduct. The user is evidently treating Misplaced Pages as a battle ground. --Mardavich13:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
The translation: Could you please configure you email account at Misplaced Pages? I hope to communicate w/ you in a direct way. If you can't do that you can leave me a message at my talk page. -- FayssalF - 13:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Fayssal. By the way, sorry for any misunderstandings, I didn't mean to imply that you're biased in any ways, I was just giving you a head-up that you're probably being canvased. --Mardavich13:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
No worries Mardavich. It is not a big deal and i do understand your attitude. I am not a fan of canvassing and in many times i warned people because of that. I just thought i had to give my opinion this time at the article talk page because i believed it is not a difficult case when every edit is clear but the only thing which was missing was the reference to the overview. So no big deals here. Happy editing. -- FayssalF - 13:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Fayssal, I would like to turn your attention that Mardavich is accusing me spamming, making puppets, urging to vandalize, and even mentioned that in talk page. He even accused me of.. "Cherry-picking Arab users and spamming them for POV".. moreover you was almost accused of being biased as I contacted you (just coz u can read Arabic as tagged in ur user-page, so u know translation in that page). Here, I would like to invite u to trace my messages and IP to be sure that I am away from war-edit, vandalizing or repeated reverting, neither asking to adopt my POV, things that could be done by other users! Would u ask him to be civil and use proper language and stop accusing others if he could has a high sens of conspiracy? I really start to hate coming to Misplaced Pages not to be insulted or violated often Ralhazzaa 17:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your support on my Request for Administration
I'm happy to say that thanks in part to your support, my RfA passed with a unanimous score of 40/0/0. I solemnly swear to use these shiny new tools with honour and insanity integrity. --Wafulz15:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Seek your advice on a page that has been protected for over two months
I was going to leave a message on the talk page of User:Robdurbar, the admin who protected the page, but he has decided to stop editing Misplaced Pages.
Here's the problem. The page in question, Expulsion of Germans after World War II, was protected by Robdurbar on January 18 due to editwarring (of which I was not a participant). (To be precise, I have tried to seek an NPOV stance and I have made edits towards this but I have generally not been involved in the edit warring that led to page protection).
I have been trying to form a consensus so that we could request lifting of the protection but, frankly, I have failed as the editors in question preferred to fight on the Talk Page with incivility including personal attacks. Even my suggestions that we seek mediation have been ignored.
In the last two weeks, the volume of debate has gone done but there has been little sign of increased civility and collegiality amongst the disputants. Mostly, I would say that the worst offenders have quieted down and one or two editors have shown some interest in lifting the protection but without a willingness to agree to a consensus or even to abide by the principles of Misplaced Pages (WP:CIVIL, WP:NPOV, WP:3RR and WP:NPA).
I have deliberately been waiting to see if things would change but, at this point, I think two months of page protection is excessive and it is time to return to editing.
If edit warring resumes after page protection is lifted, the only recourse that I see is to go to ARBCOM which I would prefer not to do but I can't see what else could be done.
Do you agree with my approach to this issue in the past and my proposed way forward?
As per your discussion above, i am semi-protecting the article after being fully protected for a couple of weeks. Please try to avoid edit warring or else i'll have to fully protect it again and open an RfC file. -- FayssalF - 15:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Update
User:Ralhazzaa is not a new user, he's clearly familiar with the INs and OUTs of Misplaced Pages both here and on Arabic wikipedia, he's been citing Wiki policies which is another sign of his familiarity with Misplaced Pages, yet he's deliberately ignoring admin warnings regarding his ongoing disruptive spamming/canvassing campaign. After numerous admin warnings and even after your own warning, he continues canvassing users on Arabic wikipedia to this minute for meat-puppetry purposes on English wikipedia. I've been told that User:Ralhazzaa is also canvassing users on IRC chat's Arabic wikipedia channel. Please look into this issue, and take any actions necessary. Rgards --Mardavich20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Is it programmed personal attck, Mardavich? I can't understand why u and others "warning" me in my personal page and discuss openly with other users what punishment I should recieve? Why you want to blam me as many opposing POVs are coming? I could also know that you had accused another users of being meat-puppets in ar.wk! Do u consider asking for "legal advice" and "how to reply an accusation" as a spam? As I don't like to personlize the problems, but it would be more civil not to run a personal attck. Pages of interest are clearly disputed and biased, it is not my problem. Please, kindly, stop any kind of personal attack and accusations Ralhazzaa 21:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I am urging everyone to calm down and take it easy. We have talked about canvassing before and the link provided above as an evidence of a spamming/canvassing campaign is not 100% correct. In fact, Ralhazzaa was asking for a legal advice from an ar.wiki user which is legitimate.
However, Ralhazzaa forgot that asking someone (especially from anothr wiki) to participate in a debate where he never participated at is a kind of meat-puppetry (see Wiki Meatpuppets) although he didn't ask User:Islamic what to do apart from a legal advice.
The translation of what has been said is the following:
I've been accused lately by a user of sending a collective message across wikipedia in relation to the article Arabian Gulf through the ar wikipedia. Can you provide me with legal advice and share our debate? I am talking about the article in the Arabian Gulf. I also hope you configure your email account.
Now, let get this very straight. Ralhazzaa, you are asked formally now to stop doing what you've been doing. If you really need a legal advice, you can do it but you should never again try to ask people to join a debate where they never participated at especially from outside the en.wiki. Indeed, we got plenty of admins HERE who will be willing to help you in this matter. Mardavich, you cannot follow any user all the way long and try to scrutinize their edits. You got plenty of interesting things to do here. Please guys take this advice and save us some time. -- FayssalF - 10:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Another Arabic-English verification issue
With thanks for your help at == Islam and children == there is another translation/verification ongoing issue at Muhammad's slaves that you might see from the talk and histories. One author has insisted on verification of ALL material sourced from a work called Za'd al Ma'ad by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya. It is only available in Arabic original and I think quite hard to find. The cited page numbers are 160, and 114-116 of Part 1. Would you be able to confirm any or all of what this work says about Muhammad's slaves, their names and characteristics, and his relations with them. Below I excerpt the part of the article that has had problems because of the insistence of verification of the foreign language source. Do you have any ideas for us?
==People personally enslaved to Muhammad==
Muhammad employed several slaves for his domestic needs. One was employed as his tailor. He took, purchased, sold, and gave away slaves. According to Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, he 'had many male and female slaves, he used to buy and sell them, and he purchased more slaves than he sold'.
Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. Traditional biographies of Muhammad give many examples where Muhammad's companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. Meer Ismail, a medieval historian, writes in Buloogh al Muram that his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves.. One of Muhammad's slaves was reportedly employed as his tailor.He took, purchased, sold, and gave away slaves. According to Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, he 'had many male and female slaves, he used to buy and sell them, and he purchased more slaves than he sold'.
Female slaves
Safiyya bint Huyayy , according to Islamic account she adopted Islam and became a wife of Muhammad. She lived more than a decade after him as a widow and became involved in the first power politics of the early Muslim community and left a large inheritance to her Jewish family.
Maria al-Qibtiyya, a Coptic slave given to Muhammad by a Byzantine official. She gave birth to Ibrahim ibn Muhammad whom Muhammad loved dearly. Some sources indicate that she was freed and became Muhammad's wife, while other sources dispute this.
Maria's sister Sirin. He gave her to Hasan Thabit, the poet. Ibn Sa'd says that Muhammad "liked Mariyah, who was of white complexion, with curly hair and pretty."
Rayhana bint Zayd. Captured after a battle. She tried to poison Muhammad.
Further names of female slaves of Muhammad referred to in Za'd Al-ma'ad: *Salma Um Rafi' *Maymuna daughter of Abu Asib *Maymuna daughter of Sa'd *Khadra *Radwa *Razina *Um Damira Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya lists in addition two other female-slaves. One was given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in war.
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya lists in addition two other female-slaves. One was given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in war
a black slave called Mahran, who was re-named (by Muhammad) Safina (`ship')." He was 'forced to do more labor than the average man'. Mahran related that on journeys with Muhammed, 'even if I were already carrying the load of 6 or 7 donkeys ... anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load.'
Some other reported slaves of Muhammad were:
Midam. Accidentally killed.
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya lists: "These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves :
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, p160
^ Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya recorded the list of some names of Muhammad's female-slaves in Zad al-Ma'ad, Part I, p. 116
Al-Bukhari, Al-Sahih, vol. 7.1, as cited Hekmat, Anwar (1997). Women and the Koran The Status of Women in Islam. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 209. ISBN 1-57392-162-9
from "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" (Book of the Major Classes) by Ibn Sa'd's
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