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== Deletion of Nazi Jew-hating image ==

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Revision as of 09:22, 31 March 2005

As of April 4 2005, for the next few months I will be less available to Misplaced Pages than I have been for the last year or so: I have a large writing project to do professionally, and I'll probably only be able to give Misplaced Pages 15-20 hours a week.

Do feel free to drop me a note on this page if there is something to call to my attention (in fact, that would be welcome, because I will not be monitoring my watchlist as much as in the past), but it may be several days before I see it. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:21, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Archived

New Historians

That is one of many pages I removed from my watchlist after getting disillusioned about the whole mideast section of Misplaced Pages. Meanwhile some pure nonsense has been added (as usual). I'll add some references with titles before long. --Zero 02:11, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Acher

Yes -- Elisha is the correct transliteration. I thought I left an explanation in the edit summary. Do you know how to redirec the history as well? Slrubenstein | Talk 18:47, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Slrubenstein | Talk 19:40, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I fixed it. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:16, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am not sure how I did it! I am, however, sure that whatever you did do was actually good to do; I think it was the stuff you did that reunited the edit history with the article. I think I just did the final step, Slrubenstein | Talk 19:02, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ah, well then, you do deserve all the credit. I am glad I made the edit. But the bug is more serious than you make it sound -- Before my edit I found the article emptied of content (I assume this was something you had to do as part of the correct procedure) but even when I checked the history, I couldn't retreive the contents. I had to finagle it a little before I could recover an earlier version ... Slrubenstein | Talk

Notenglish

Darn, I wish that could be automated. It would make "New Pages Patrol" so much smoother. JFW | T@lk 08:48, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

War of the Triple alliance

Hi !

I have used http://onwar.com as a source with permission. Anyway I will do soon some edits to article with more sources. I apologize for this delay, but right now I simply do not have time to contribute articles here daily. Kind regards. --Kulkuri 15:23, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chicago aldermen

Hi there! Since the discussion seemed finished, I've closed up the Misplaced Pages:Deletion_policy/Local_politicians discussion for now. I believe consensus has been established that local politicians deserve mention in Misplaced Pages, but not in a separate article UNLESS they have done something exceptional. Would you please check if you find this a reasonable conclusion, and leave a short note on that page's talk page? Thanks.

Yours, Radiant! 10:12, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

I fear you have misunderstood my comment regarding Isomorphic. It was certainly no legal threat on my part...it merely points out that we do not have license to say anything we want, and that the things we say about others most certainly can expose Misplaced Pages to potentially costly legal actions. He needs to exercise greater prudence, that's all. icut4u

French Revolution

Hey Jmabel - sorry for not citing sources. I was going to add a note on the talk page, but hadn't done so yet. I've mostly been following William Doyle's Origins of the French Revolution, which is probably the standard work in English on the subject. The old version of the article was seemingly based on Lefebvre's 1789 (or Coming of the French Revolution) which, though a great book, was published in 1939 and is quite out of date, I think. I will admit that I didn't have Doyle in front of me as I made the changed - I read the book a few days ago, though, and I have a pretty good memory for that kind of thing. Any specific problems you have with my changes are of course open to discussion, and it's quite possible I've made some errors. Also, I think that French Revolution is the only article I've made changes to, as yet - although some of the sub-articles probably ought to be revamped as well. (unsigned, but this was User:John_Kenney).

Indeed it was. john k 23:11, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I did intend to work on Causes of the French Revolution at some point, but you'll notice that the only person who has edited that article in recent days is David Monniaux. I've only worked on the main French Revolution article. I'll add Doyle to the references, though. john k 23:16, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How do I delete a subpage

I don't know much about these technical Misplaced Pages issues, but I indicated awhile ago that I would probably eventually delete User:Decius/Info, and I've decided to do so, but I don't know how. I want to make room for a new subpage describing Balkanic data, and I only want two subpages (Etymologies and the new one planned), so Info has to go. Hope you can help me out. Thanks again. Decius 07:32, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tlaquepaque

Hi! I just thought maybe the thing about toro y castillo was a local idiomatic expression with a totally different meaning, like "a ruckus" or something. Maybe someone will come along and know. Anyway - off to bed! Mona-Lynn 09:00, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Seattle FAC

Do you remember who at the last Seattle meet-up wanted to be notified if Seattle became an FAC? Today is decision day, and a few more Support votes might overcome the remaining (mostly unactionable, IMHO) Objections. Niteowlneils 18:59, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DE BOGDANGIUSCA

"By its nature, the following list will never be comprehensive and there are probably some equally trusted people I'm forgetting to name, but here are some I want to single out for praise:

Think again about bogdangiusca. Sometimes, he wrotes non-documented things which are generated by an excessive nationalism (id est Burebista). Felix Petrar


Yiddish language

Great edit you did there just now...! :-) -- Olve 09:35, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My user page: "I see dead people"?

How dare you revert my page! Of course I wrote "I hate white people"! lol (Just kidding. Why does that silly sentence sound to me like Haley Joel Osment in a bad remake of "Malibu's Most Wanted"?) Yes, I somehow missed it when reverting earlier vandalism on my page. Thanks for catching it. Peace 2 u. :-) deeceevoice 11:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: Editing user pages

Dear Jmabel: Thanks for your advice. You understood well, my intention was just to enrich your page with thisminor edit. I am new to wikipedia(or any wikis) and just starting to understand the so called etiquette here. Unfortunately[REDACTED] doesn't help on this matter much, especially when it has a nice and clear "edit this page" option at user pages. On the matter of using talkpage, I somehow was discouraged by a[REDACTED] guy who left a message in an article's discussion page saying "these pages unfortunately aren't used"...Thanks again and sorry. Soulmann

David E. Ritch

Hi: I noticed you voted for the deletion of David E. Ritch, and since I and User:Travisritch have been doing some work on it, I was wondering if you would consider changing your vote. Thanks! Bratsche 04:00, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

major RFC changes

Thanks for your comments at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy).

I think we have pretty clear consensus (except for jguk) that the page should be returned to the old procedures, at least for now. I'd like to ask you to please keep an eye on it. He has promised to keep reverting (ad nauseum), so it'd be nice if he see's I'm not the only one undoing his proposal. Primarily, this is because I don't want to see that very important page further disrupted. Please also keep an eye on the example subpage templates at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Example admin and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Example user. Thanks. -- Netoholic @ 21:41, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)

Please feel free to add any comments you have on Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment, where the new approach has already been discussed by other interested parties. It is an attempt to avoid confrontation (which is probably why Netoholic objects to it). The new approach is not perfect, but it is certainly an improvement on the nasty, divisive approach that we used to have. As I say, your comments on the talk page would be welcome, jguk 21:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Glückel of Hameln

Like I mentioned, I really translated the article. I will be happy to do a bit more research later this afternoon and see what I can come up with. Danny 14:12, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Revisionist Zionism

Could you please take a look at the dispute at Revisionist Zionism? User:Guy Montag is trying to censor material critical of Revisionist Zionism, particularly documented evidence of fascist sympathies among various Revisionists in the early 1930s. AndyL 22:33, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

punk site

Sorry I did not respond sooner, I did not know this section existed. Very sorry if I deleted that link, it was definitely an accident. I am new to[REDACTED] and I have loved using it. Punk-O-Matik is a site for punks. It is designed to unite local punk scenes. I have another site listed as a wiki external link and it has sent very relevant users. Please leave my link on the punk page. Sschopp 13 Mar 2005

Biografía y Vidas

Hi, my thought on ByV re: Guillermo Cabrera Infante was: either it is a reliable source (and we keep it) or it is not (and we trash it). As far as I could see in this case, every detail given by ByV seemed ok, and there was another source supporting it.

Best, Ejrrjs | What? 01:49, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, I agree it is worth to have it in mind just because the widespread habit in es.wikipedia (and in Enciclopedia Libre FWIW) to copypaste ByV stuff Ejrrjs | What? 02:00, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Constantin Brâncuşi

Hi. I noticed you reverted the changes from Constantin Brancusi to Constantin Brâncuşi. As far as I know, he didn't actually change his name in France, just that because his name included not-French letters, he had to write it in the 26-letter Roman alphabet with no extra characters (even though it should've become Brancushi, but alas). So, I think the Brâncuşi is not used by many sources, including French ones, because, even during his lifetime, the French didn't refer to him in that way because they didn't actually have the characters in their language.

Anyway, I found sources for you that show the use of the Romanian name:

I will actually do some more research into this just to clarify further (and thanks for your interest in Romanian-related articles, not just for this, but in general :) Cheers, Ronline 06:10, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"the first two are just mirrors of Misplaced Pages" Sorry about that! I didn't realise... the minimalism article was in fact from Misplaced Pages. So yeah, I don't think the argument about common use stands though - just because something is commonly used doesn't mean it's correct, and as an encyclopedia we should be teaching people the correct usage, not following their incorrect usage. An analogy would be the use of "Marea Britanie" in Romanian for the UK, which, while used more than "Regatul Unit", is incorrect, because Great Britain is of course distinct from the United Kingdom usage. However, there still is the argument about him changing his name, which I will look into. Ronline 06:32, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tuareg

At Tuareg, why did you de-link Amghar? -- Jmabel | Talk 19:07, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Because I made Amghar a redirect to Tuareg. There was nothing at Amghar but a brief definition as the Tuareg word for "wise man", which isn't encyclopedic. If someone wants to write a real encyclopedia entry (even a stub) about imgharan, saying something about their role in Tuareg society, it's easy enough to get rid of the redirect and re-add the link. --Angr 19:18, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Boba-Bukh

I left a comment on the talk-page of the article. Personally, I am not sure that such precise citations are required by our policy, although I do recognize the effort you put into it. I want Doops to assume that you had good reasons to provide page by page citations. But please, consider the possibility that Doops is acting in good faith as well. S/he should have provided an explanation on the talk page. But I hope that the fact thats/he didn't, does not mean that it is too late for constructive discussion between the two of you. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:13, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Astor Piazzolla

Apollogies go for the mistakenly inserted cleanup tone tag at this article, due to my inexperience at the Wiki community. I did intend for the basic cleanup tag to go there, tho, for the reasons listed at the article's talk page. As I say there, don't take it badly, but I feel Astor Piazzolla deserves much better than that, and if needed, I can lend a hand in the task. Cheers! -- Shauri 00:38, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just as I've expressed at the Talk page, I believe the article needs wikifying in its organization and in large part of its content. Perhaps the {{cleanup}} template isn't the most appropriate, you're in better position than me to judge it; yet it's not a mere expansion what I believe it needs, but a complete revision. And please, don't think I haven't noticed your position of being open to discuss the subject and to welcome additions to your article, which I deeply appreciate. Last but not least, I tagged it with the intention of inviting everyone to take part in such revision, not to ask myself to do something, as you put it. I believe the reason why the article has lasted this long in its current form without contend, is because most people at the english Misplaced Pages have never heard of him before, not because a cleanup is not needed. -- Shauri 13:29, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Sabra and Shatila Massacre

No the comment was not directed at you, I think you are making an excellent point. Whether my response was 'rather angry' or not, I suppose one of the more interesting features about Misplaced Pages is that it brings together people from all over the world with different backgrounds  ;-) Tiller1 10:08, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I am still trying to resolve the Glueckl puzzle. Meanwhile, I thought you might like to see Vedem, an article I added this morning. Danny 14:19, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Josel von Rosheim

Hello Jmabel, I'd be happy to help any time. Here I'd say:
Als Ankläger tritt ein in der Nachbarschaft wohnender, bei Rabbi Elias hochverschuldeter Fleischermeister auf -> The/one accuser was a master butcher who lived in the neighbourhood and owed Rabbi Elias a great deal of money. Saintswithin 11:09, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thanks for the grammatical corrections to the Juan Velasco Alvarado article. However, I add some information to the talk page that it might be interesting for some questions. Thanks. Messhermit 19:58, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

René Favaloro

This article is translated for the most part, except a few phrases. Can you please see if you can translate them? I've listed the untranslated phrases at Talk:René Favaloro#Loose ends. — J3ff 23:23, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tibetan people

No, the customs section I deleted it rewrote it entirely. Could my re-written content:

Among the customs of the Tibetans, perhaps the most peculiar is polyandry, as the brothers within a family having one wife in common, mainly for the reason of avoiding the dividing of the family property. Polygamy is also practiced by some, mainly by the Tibetans in Kham.

Monogamy, however, seems to be the rule among the pastoral tribes, and polygamy is not unknown in Tibet, especially in the eastern parts of the country." An article by Melvyn C. Goldstein in the March, 1987 issue of Natural History (the magazine of the American Museum of Natural History) discusses Tibetan fraternal polyandry and confirms the continuation of this practice into recent times. Intermarriage with the Han Chinese do exist but proved to be uncommon, as many of the Ethnic Tibetans do have sentimental feelings towards the Han Chinese.

Be necessarily borrowed from the original content?

2. I aim for Misplaced Pages:Pushing to 1.0, which means that I intend to rewrite the article all over again, without foreign content. What do you think? Can borrowed content be part of 1.0?

3. Apologise for the references. I thought that the britannica references only came from the customs, but there's more, so I deleted purposely, but with no bad intention to say that all content is original.

Mr Tan, 14.55, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Go to Tibetan people

Go to its talk page once you see this measage.

I also apologise for adding the dead link unknowingly for I'm not aware of it.

Mr Tan, 14.50, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Baltasar Gracián

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, and the proper avenue for incorporating foreign language material. -- Morning star | Talk 01:29, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

I do plan to work on it. I didn't mean to obligate anyone else, but thought others (perhaps more capable) might take a crack at it. -- Morning star | Talk 02:26, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Sí, es Tarazona

Sí, es en Tarazona, una ciudad en la provincia de Zaragoza, donde murió Baltasar Gracián.

Saludos cordiales,

Aromera 22-III-2005

About San Marcos

Regardless of the name of the University (Saint Mark or San Marcos) I wish that you could help me dealing with the grammatic mistakes of the article. It is really messy (I, myself have difficulties for reading it) and I really wish that an arrange can be made. The information Itself its not a problem, just the way that its expressed. Please, take a look and add all the mistakes on the talk page. National_University_of_San_Marcos I would gladly recieve any help. Messhermit 04:02, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New York

Oh yes. I see I didn't ever transfer the sources from the main article way back when. Thanks for pointing that out. -- Decumanus 06:08, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)

Tibetan people

Do you have any clues about the sources about the images of the Tibetan people? It has no information about the source of the images for more than one year, and images without information should be deleted if lied docile for too long.

Did you ever go to Tibet? If you have, do you have any images of any Tibetan individuals? I think that new images should be replaced, as these old images do not have any information concerning their sources. Can fair-use images be deleted so as to achieve 1.0? (See the rules here. Misplaced Pages:Pushing to 1.0)

I also feel that this article has a potential to achieve a near-featured article standard, and cleaning up is needed. I do not intend stubborness, but I think that the paragraphs in the customs should be broken up as it looks neater. Gramatical errors are important to be corrected, as a viewed that at least 35% of the wikipedians have poor grammar standard. Even I, do have some grammar defects.

Let's join forces to construct this article into the 1.0 standard.

Mr Tan, 18:09, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I did. As I've told you, they have the tag being placed up, and it has been more than one year since the person uploaded it. Images like these should be deleted if lie docile for too long. If you are an admin, I don't know about their tasks, but you may either delete them off or request for deletion.

also, I also seek foward to the future of working with you. In the case of any help needed, do come and approach me.

Thanks and Bye.


Mr Tan, 23:24, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

ro:Mihai Eminescu

Thanks Jmabel for the answers! Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 22:05, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)

San Marcos

Hi Jmabel -

I do not know what you think, but it seems to me that HappyApple is simply being unreasonable. Apparently he and his friend Messhermit read a welcome message Viajero wrote to me (in my discussion section), and have teamed up to erase my edits to completely non-political texts.

Also - I wonder why on earth HappyApple is so focused on "Saint Mark". Abundant reasons against it have been given in the village pump, if I remember correctly.

PS. I now realize that his father may know my parents; perhaps this dispute can be solved on a friendly basis. Whether you use his original version or my corrected version as the basis of the article is up to you, of course; for what it's worth, it seems to me that the original version was far too verbose, sometimes self-contradictory, and often on the verge of incomprehensibility.

Hasdrubal 17:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Grammatical Help please

Hello, this is Messhermit once again. I don't known if you have enought time to take a look at this article that I have just created: Francisco Morales Bermúdez. I still have troubles with the grammar part. By the way, regarding the "San Marcos" article, I will talk with HappyApple to prevent an edit war a make it more a compromise page rather than a POV. Thanks a lot. Messhermit 01:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cerdagne

I moved Cerdanya to Cerdagne, since Cerdagne is the name common in English. Also, the name Cerdanya creates confusion with the Spanish comarca of Baixa Cerdanya, so in the end the article Cerdanya was very confusing, not knowing if it refered to the historical region known as Cerdagne, or to the administrative comarca known as Baixa Cerdanya. I also rewrote part of the article to clarify and avoid confusion. I have changed the links to link to the new Cerdagne article. I erased the comment on the discussion page at Cerdanya and pasted it on the discussion page at Cerdagne, so it is not lost. Hardouin 20:50, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cerdagne was already a redirect page towards Cerdanya, so it was not possible to use the move function. Hardouin 20:58, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The last time I tagged an article for an admin to move it, it took THREE WEEKS before I got an answer. Hardouin 21:07, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I put a note at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. That's where it took three weeks. And actually, after three weeks my request was deleted without an explanation, so I put it again, before FINALLY someone answers me and move the article. Hardouin 21:36, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Forum link... stealth style!

My meaning was not to vandalize. The forum I linked to used to be present on the page, I came yesterday and noticed it was gone, and instead there was a link to a site with several "third positionist" moderators and administrators. So instead of a site with 8600 leftist members, anarchists and marxists, we had a site with 400 members, and a large part of the active ones raving about "the jewish world domination" and other neo-nazi crap. I don't know if this was originally a switch, or if someone added this site and then deleted che-lives, but I don't think the link makes sense in the context of both membership and content.--Che y Marijuana 23:58, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, usually I do put an edit summary, but I was making the edit in the morning and I hadn't slept yet :P Sorry about that.--Che y Marijuana 20:04, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Article reviewing?

Ahoy JM, would you be willing to help review articles for a little contest at the end of the month? Cheers, +sj + 12:23, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It would be a mini contest this week, to come up with entries for the international writing contest. Would entail skimming 30-40 nominations to identify the best ones, then discussing briefly to reach consensus. 1-2 hours. +sj + 23:22, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Sure 'nuff. There should be enough judges to pick up slack if neccessary. +sj + 23:35, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:International_writing_contest is up! +sj + 17:33, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Egregious?

Why would you say that in regards to: "The best known example of this is the schism between the Communists, Syndicalists, and Fascists in Italy." I direct you to this section (Fascism and right-wing politics) of the Right-wing politics article:

Despite the important differences from other right-wing ideologies, fascism is almost universally considered to be a part of "the right." This is somewhat parallel to the customary inclusion of Marxism-Leninism (and, in particular, that of the Stalinist Soviet Union and Maoist China) in "the left." Nonetheless, fascism differs significantly from other politics that are usually classified as right wing, and most right-wingers (even many far right groups) reject any association with it, just like most left-wingers (even many communists) reject any association with Stalinism and Maoism.
Many of the creators of Italian Fascism had originally been supporters of the political left. Philosophers such as Robert Michel, Sergio Panunzio, and Giovanni Gentile were originally syndicalists, a group normally identified with the left and whose tactical propensity for direct action became an element in Italian Fascism. Benito Mussolini himself was originally a socialist, though he had ceased even to claim to be one by the time he was leading the fascist party (and, indeed, many of his old comrades were the first targets of his political police). In the treatise Doctrine of Fascism (written by Gentile but approved by Mussolini); fascism is identified as being of the "collective" century and it is declared that the 20th century will be the "century of the state".

Actually, the truth is even a bit more substantive than the current text alleges. I intend to add several notes to it...

  • The name Fascism and the movement itself goes back to the 1890s's when they were called the "fasci" a radical left-wing party that broke from the Marxist movement. They did so because they rejected class-struggle as the means by which to achieve the Marxist utopian ideal. They believed instead that the different classes should unity to jointly erect the Socialist state. Thus, they became the enemy of Marxist Socialists because they opposed fomenting civil unrest. Of course this anti-revolution position elicited support from the anti-Socialist parties and a bit of an alliance formed.
  • The syndicalists leaders, Agostino Lanzillo and Michele Bianchi were founding members of the Fascist party in 1919. Their platform at the time was: "a democratic republic, a separation of church and state, a national army, progressive income taxation, and the development of labor cooperatives" Syndicalism "is a political and economic ideology which advocates giving control of both industry and government to labor union federations"
  • Mussolini was also strongly influenced by Henri De Man's Audela du Marxism. Henry De Man was a leading Socialist Theoretician.

Anyways, lots of this information can be found (with Sources) by going through the articles on Fascism and the Syndacalists. The point is that this classification difficulty is not obscure or dubious, but well-known.

It was not my intention to suggest that Orwell specifically used this example. I put the example there as a reference to a known example to explain the point. If there is too much of an implication that the example itself is Orwell's, that will have to be improved.

Thanks for your fixups. -- Pearlg 22:11, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Judaism/converts

Hi!

I'm the one who added the paragraph on conversion - I couldn't find a section on Jewish conversion in wikipedia, and I was also concerned that in the "what makes a person Jewish" section, there was no affirmation that Judaism, as a whole, does accept converts. I have, over the course of my life, met many people who genuinely believed that Orthodox Judaism does not accept converts - and some people who think that other branches of Judaism (such as the Conservative movement) do not accept converts either. In my experience, this misunderstanding was either due to people's experiences with more orthodox branches of the religion not recognizing the conversions of other branches (which is obviously not at all the same as not allowing conversion) or because someone once told them that converts were "not accepted" in a given community, a comment that was no doubt meant to have a social meaning but which has no religious significance. (I.e., you could be a convert, but a community might not be very accepting). I think this is a sad state of affairs, that people might think that there are Jews who do not allow other people to become Jewish, because I think it a) adds fuel to psuedo-race theories about Judaism, which are patently false, and b) because I've known at least one person who was interested in becoming Jewish and thought it was impossible. Anyway, that's why I included the portion about orthodox vs. less orthodox conversions, because I know that people might discount the affirmation that all Jewish sects accepted converts unless it explained why some Jewish sects might require a second conversion. However, I think I see your point about that being awkward and possibly more confusing than helpful. So I've removed it.

I now see that there is a main article "Who is a Jew" that has much more information. Thank you for your guidance! (unsigned, 141.158.48.71)

fun with citations

I have perhaps been a little slow at getting up to speed with the new, "official" citation style, but finally I have put together an article using it, templates and all. It isn't a totally satisfying system, IMO, because it seems more oriented towards conventional bibliographies than numbered endnotes; for example, numbering in the reference section can't be automatically generated, which in a short piece is no big deal but could be a major PITA in a longer one. Anyway, the subject matter may not be part of your regular beat, but feel free to have a look at it: Bolkestein Directive; I know you have a good eye for detail. As you see, I haven't forgotten your suggestion with regard to the citations of the Japan embassy piece, but I thought I would first have a go at it in a more managable context. All the best. -- Viajero 16:20, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please see

Talk:Arabist#Copy_vio.3F Please read and respond here, thanx. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:44, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Alberto Kenya Fujimori Fujimori

I think Alberto is his first name, Kenya is his middle name (and Japanese name), Fujimori is his father's name, and Fujimori is also his mother's name - they were cousins, if I am not mistaken. Hasdrubal 19:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Biweekly special article

Dear Fact and Reference Check member,

After many months, the biweekly special article has been brought back! The article we will be referencing is Titan (moon). Please do your best to help out!

I'm asking all members to verify at least three facts in the article, and I'd really appreciate it if you could try and help with this. We have about 19 members, so if even 3/4 of us try and fulfil this 'dream', that'll be 45 references!

If you need some information on how to use footnotes, take a look at Misplaced Pages:Footnote3, which has a method of autonumbering footnotes. Unfortunately, they produce brackets around the footnotes, but it seems to be our best alternative until they integrate the footnote feature request code into MediaWiki. You may be interested in voting for the aforementioned feature request.

Cheers,

Frazzydee|✍ 20:03, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh gosh no, it's not an expectation; I apologize if I made it sound like I was forcing you. It was nothing more than a request that members do so, so if you don't want to, then that's perfectly fine- please don't remove yourself from the members list :)
I just sent a message to all the members, so I didn't know that you weren't referencing. That's perfectly fine, we need help in all departments.
Thanks for your message! -Frazzydee|✍ 20:35, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DYK

On ], Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Example, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Error: Invalid time.&end=Error: Invalid time.&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Example Example), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Spam?

Hi Jmabel — could I just get a quick second opinion on whether you think these contributions by User:65.8.14.99 count as spam? I've reverted them all, but have since recieved several angry messages and emails saying they ought not be counted as spam (and, oddly, calling me a Communist). If you have a moment, I'd appreciate an opinion.
Thanks! — Asbestos | Talk 10:48, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Of course. Absolutely spam, and commercial spam at that. Not even in a gray zone. -- Jmabel | Talk 15:43, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. I had reverted all his edits on that assumption, but wanted a second opinion after such angry messages. Much appreciated. — Asbestos | Talk 16:19, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Anarcho-capitalist critique of left-anarchism

Could you please delete this page in accordance with the unanimous vote on its VfD page?--Che y Marijuana 10:10, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

The wiki tells me "Can't delete this article because it contains new block-compressed revisions, which are not supported by the new selective undelete feature and could result in data loss if deletion and undeletion happened. This is a temporary situation which the developers are well aware of, and should be fixed within a month or two. Please mark the page for deletion, protect the page and wait for a software update to allow normal deletion. If there is an actual complaint from a copyright holder or other suitable legal complaint and they are unwilling to accept page blanking and protection as a temporary measure, please ask a developer for assistance." I recommend you blank it, except for a note explaining the situation. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:17, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Jewish_language

Can you please glance at the proposal to include Yinglish and Yeshivish in the Template:Jewish language, and the minidiscussion about the overall organization of the template at Template talk:Jewish language? Thanks. Tomer 18:46, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Usage of (h) in Spanish

It's not very common, though. The only example that comes to my mind is Julio Argentino Roca (h), son of Julio Argentino Roca and vicepresident with Agustín P. Justo. Also, there exists (n)

Ejrrjs | What? 21:41, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Merge some redundant lists to categories

In response to:

Phil, I understand that you are not advocating turning all lists into categories, but I believe that if you look at the discussion that has gone by, you are wrong in claiming that no one is advocating that. In fact, it seems to me that quite a few people are advocating it.

Perhaps, but that's a ridiculous idea that's completely beyond anything I ever proposed, so I have good reason to treat it dismissively. Philwelch 01:12, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Certainly, but not to deny that anyone is proposing it, which is what a recent remark of yours claimed. We both agree that it's a bad idea, but that doesn't mean we should say no one is proposing this bad idea. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:21, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
Well, only if you insist on interpreting everything I say so damn literally ;) Philwelch 01:33, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Printing shop

Happens. BTW I nominated it for WP:COTW: how come this article is still missing? Or there is a synonym I don't know? Then please edit the redirect. Mikkalai 01:25, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Papua (Indonesian province) -> Papua Province_Papua_Province">

new facts for page move at Talk:Papua (Indonesian province), regards Tobias Conradi 05:54, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Peretz Hirshbein

Hi! Thanks for the note on Hirshbein. I understand your concerns and I will also see that Hirshbein in catagorized in the Yiddish Theater category. As it is, I've taken to redoing the theatre categories and I'm classifying playwrights by nationality in terms of those playwrights born in the country and also playwrights who do the majority of their work in said country. I believe there is a Yiddish Theatre category and add Hirshbein, but if not I will see that one is created as I know there are a great many very well written entries on the subject. If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to address them on my talk page. Thanks! Ganymead 07:33, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My plan is to create a catagory for dramatists and playwrights by ethnicity. This would include only playwrights that are associated with specific types of ethnic or minority theatre such as Yiddish and Hebrew Theatre (as it is, I plan on separating these), African-American Theatre, or Gay and Lesbian Theatre. Indeed, Yiddish dramatists such as Goldfaden and Hirshbein will also be catagorized as directors or musical theatre lyricists. As it is, I don't believe that theatre directors or lyricists will be large enough to have to break down into smaller catagories. I don't pretend to know loads about Yiddish theatre and your input has been very helpful! Ganymead 08:20, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
One other note, I just realized after looking at your main page that it was you who had written many of the wonderful pages on Yiddish theatre! Thanks! The theatre entries as a whole on Misplaced Pages are rather poor except for Yiddish Theatre, English Restoration Theatre and Shakespeare. Your contributions have helped tremendously! I will certainly add your pages to my reading list. Ganymead 08:31, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Walker reference - an overdue response

Wow. This note is long overdue. I was looking over my talk page and came across your question about my deletion of the reference to Walker's effort to reclaim "negress." I seem to recall going back to the article at some time in the past and seeing the restoration of that paragraph and agreeing with it, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't in response to your note. Back then, I was in the habit of ignoring that orange message banner for a time, because it just never seemed to disappear. I'm not sure I ever read it. If I did, I was probably crunching a deadline, set aside a response and never got back to it. My apologies. (Is there a special trick to making that banner go away? It's really annoying sometimes!)

Anyway, I just returned to the article (again) to see if I could figure out how that happened, and as near as I can figure, I was probably reading too quickly (skimming, actually -- terrible, I know!) and simply skipped over the preceding, 2-line paragraph. (My bad.) Until I just googled her, I was unfamiliar with Walker's art, so it didn't ring any bells -- and reclaiming "Negro" (as it read without the preceding paragraph) was just weird. (Actually, I remember thinking "absurd".) I am familiar with works like The Good Negress, though, and of course would have agreed and probably added that author's name (which escapes me at the moment) had I read the last two paragraphs more closely.

Hope that answers your question. Peace. deeceevoice 08:26, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for signing on to that RfC. deeceevoice 08:29, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Nazi Jew-hating image

Hi Joe: Please see Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion#March 31 for vote on deletion of Image:MoneyJews.jpg . Thanks. IZAK 09:22, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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