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Editing of Civilisation

Dear Zaraban. Thank you for your editing of Fictitious Civilisations. While it is true that some people do consider Atlantis, Mu and Lemria as actual pre-historic civilisations, there is no evidence apart from those listed in the article that they ever existed. They are considered by the majority archaological and anthropological opinion as fictitious, and to report this is not a POV. To call tem Prehistoric, however, is definitely a POV statement. As a result I have reverted your edit and put an explanation into the discussion talk page on civilisation. I would be willing to engage further on this should you wish, in the interest of improving the article. John D. Croft 08:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Repeated Vandalism of you User Page

You're getting creamed. What nonsense. I opened a Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism report for you. MARussellPESE 16:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) I was only planning to do that if If it turned into more than just irritating. Zazaban 00:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

public transportation user box jpeg

has an illegal jpeg structure - I don't know if it's malicious or just broken but the OSX system log reports "/Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari: Corrupt JPEG data: 1 extraneous bytes before marker 0xd9\n /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari: JPEG datastream contains no image\n" whenever Safari sees it - and the picture actually fails to load too.--Smkolins 15:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be some kind of redirect from the actual picture to the page it is from and there if you load the high quality form it then shows, then you can back up all the way to your user page you can then reload and it'll see the graphic. Weird. I've seen this kind of behavior - where you can't see the picture until you load the high quality form - on other pages. Like the Bahá'í Faith page under history which is a picture of the Shrine of the Báb - http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Shrine_Bab_North_West.jpg -.--Smkolins 15:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

More interesting - I *can* see this image without extre hoops on Bahá'í World Centre buildings. Now what does that mean? Could it be something about dimensions of the box vs the picture??--Smkolins 15:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

lol. Great edit summary. I look forward to Buddha's time travel adventures. Just H 03:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Manifestations of God

Just to let you know, I have nominated the category Category:Manifestations of God for deletion. It seems to me that this category has inherent WP:POV issues. Please feel free to contribution to the debate on this. Thanks, Gwernol 02:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

in response to : au contraire, please stop inserting this POV cat into articles until the CfD has ended. thank you. ITAQALLAH 02:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Statistics

Look Zazaban, your editing is not constructive. We are trying to have a neutral portrayal of the Baha'i Faith, not promoting it, or putting it down, and your edits go against that. The discussion of the Baha'i population is stated in the section of demographics, going over both low and high estimates. A further discussion is even in Baha'i statistics. We can't take the largest estimate and put that at the top, because that would be just as if someone goes as takes the lowest estimate (2 million) and puts that in the lead. The middle of the pack number which is the most common number is placed at the lead, and a further discussion is expanded. -- Jeff3000 02:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

In no part of my statement did I state that you were popular or not popular; I'm only commenting on your edit, which in my mind, is not constructive. The recent statistic by Britannica, if not already included, can be placed as one of many sources in the demographics section, but signalling it out among many, for a controversial statistic (see all the talk page discussions in the archive pages), will look upon those people who think the number is inflated as a POV. By using a more conservative estimate in the lead, and then being able to go into more detail is the better route. -- Jeff3000 03:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Zazaban. I agree with Jeff3000 in this case. We have been around a long time and have experienced a lot of hateful editors that have come trying to defame the religion by any means possible. We have fought them off by making the articles very neutral, and that's why we sometimes insist on certain edits. In particular, the total number of Baha'is was an issue that was debated extensively by a non-Baha'i who insisted that the article say that the higher numbers are inflated, and the probable accurate number is 2 million. In response to his edits I greatly expanded the Baha'i statistics page to include all the academic references that are now there, while his sources were just blogs and unprofessional commentators. The current wording, and numbers, were carefully chosen and debated for awhile.

When I first arrived at Misplaced Pages I was given some good advice: to edit in a way that doesn't attract attacks and vandalism. We have been lucky that the hundreds of Baha'i articles have been relatively quiet over the past 6 months. There are several editors that continue to improve them, but if the pages become promotional of the Baha'i Faith, then people who hate Baha'is will become more deeply involved in the pages to counter that bias. I have already seen it happen with one individual who still edits frequently. He began editing Baha'i articles because he rightfully noticed a bias, and now he will eternally be a thorn in our side. Cuñado - Talk 07:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Archive

I archived your talk page. I moved it to User talk:Zazaban/archive1. Make sure to add that to your watchlist. Cuñado - Talk 04:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

OK I archived that last comment. I saw January 22 and didn't bother to look at the year. Enjoy! Cuñado - Talk 09:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

RS name?

Mine is kirbyteam, all the way f2per! =D Add me if you'd like, we can go pking sometime or something lol. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 08:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

My name is Marth66, But i'm a member. Zazaban 20:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sabians

Thanks, Z, for the link correction. Oddly, I hadn't even noticed that there was a section on the Baha'i writings' references to this religion. Good catch. --Christian Edward Gruber 21:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism & Archiving

I've reverted some vandalism . For archiving, have you considered using a automatic archiver such Werdnabot? If you'd like me to configure Werdnabot to archive your talk page, just leave me a line on my talk page. Don't forget to tell me how much inactivity of the section you would like to archive it. Happy Editing by Snowolf on 21:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Place names

No sweat. I think the current version is a good compromise. MARussellPESE 20:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

I've noticed you don't use edit summaries. I think it might be useful to start using them. Regards, -- Jeff3000 15:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I do use edit summaries. I have a large watchlist so I don't always use them. Zazaban 15:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, edits are not supposed to speak for themselves. If you read the Help:Edit summary article, you will notice that edit summaries are used for:

"An edit summary should strive to answer the question, "Why did you make this edit?". Providing an edit summary, even if the edit is minor, makes Misplaced Pages work better by quickly explaining to other users what your change was about."

and

"Always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline."

So, regardless of what the edit is, you should put a summary. -- Jeff3000 18:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Zaz, take a look at http://www.math.ucla.edu/~aoleg/wp/rfa/edit_summary.html. Here's some counts:

Yours: "Edit summary usage for Zazaban: 49% for major edits and 33% for minor edits."

Mine: "Edit summary usage for MARussellPESE: 99% for major edits and 98% for minor edits."

Jeff3000's: "Edit summary usage for Jeff3000: 99% for major edits and 100% for minor edits." (Over-achiever!)

Cuñdo19's: "Edit summary usage for Cunado19: 95% for major edits and 76% for minor edits."

Before I started paying attention, I was at about 75% and 50% respectively. These are helpful for other editors. Cheers, MARussellPESE 19:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a huge watchlist and often very little time. Zazaban 20:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Then, please take the time. Edit summaries are not there as an inconvenience for you, but as an aid and courtesy to the rest of us. MARussellPESE 17:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, User:Zazaban. Please contribute towards making Misplaced Pages a better place for all of us. :) 216.99.58.101 03:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC) (The Vandalizer of this page) lol

Vandalism getting out of control

Seriously, I'm even getting vandals comment on my userpage. Can userpages be protected? Zazaban 04:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Why are you so upset User:Zazaban? Vandals are free to do whatever they want....so, relax.

>>>>> Vandalizer <<<<<<<

216.99.61.168 00:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No actually, you're not. Just on a hunch, are you from Runevillage? Zazaban 00:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Are you?

Best regards,

Vandalizer (216.99.61.30 02:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)) Yes, I just had hunch that vandals were following a link on my forum profile. But alas :( Zazaban 02:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Really? What is the link? 216.99.61.238 00:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It just leads right here to my userpage. Zazaban 04:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Section stub

Thank you for trying to mark sections as a stub at Bahá'í teachings. You nearly did it but the correct tag is {{sectstub}}. {{stub|anything}} is interpreted as {{stub}}. For subject specific stubs for whole articles there is a list at WP:WSS/ST. Thank you. Ksbrown 10:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Map

Hey Zazaban, the maps looks good. I would put the legend also in the article; what does yellow mean? Also maybe dots where the Houses of Worship actually are. Regards, -- Jeff3000 04:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

His opinion

Yes, an opinion which is also a personal attack, from a user who, among other things, has vandalized a number of user pages, including mine and, on several occasions, your own. It never ceases to amaze me how many editors are willing to stick their necks out for the very most disruptive trolls.Proabivouac 04:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I've seen worse go by, too. That's why that talk page is a useless mess. Several admins said they intended to enforce some modicum of sanity and civil discussion, but there's been no follow-up at all.Proabivouac 16:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Geeta Saar

I've removed the speedy tag from the above article because I think at this point it would be best to send it to AfD. That way, if consensus holds that it should be deleted, it can be better protected from re-creation. Kafziel 16:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know (it's also been deleted twice under a slightly different name). But speedy deletions aren't as binding as AfDs are; if it goes through AfD, it can't get put up again. I'll salt the page and everything. Kafziel 00:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: your comment on the deletion for Geeta Saar about things not being "notable outside India". Do you really mean to say that wikipedia (or en.wikipedia) is some kind of globally relevant repository with some arbitrary and undefined threshold for inclusion? I must have missed that while I was reading about some little detail about something that otherwise would never be considerd notable. Savyasaachi 18:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for not cutting the insert on the Christ from the Christian Science perspective. I'm working on making it shorter. But I think it offers valuable insights into the nature of the Christ.Simplywater 06:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

New Cat (Founders)

Hi. Thanks for jumping in with both feet in my new cat. I left a note on the cat talk page re fixing the sort order if you care to. Also, please take a look, if you have not already, at my summary of the cat. There are a couple of yours that I am not sure of but that is not really a problem for now, we can talk about that later. I just wanted to be sure that you had read my intro blurb in the cat. Thanks again. Really. --Justanother 20:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Besm ِِAlRa7man

Hi Zazaban,

We can use yahoo for this discussion, spare space for the Islam page and maybe u would like to cut the second redundant question and paste it on yahoo messenger for me. I'm wessamabraham@yahoo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wessam Abraham (talk • contribs) 20:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Such a noob, get ready for some spam ...216.99.59.188 03:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion on Jainism Edit

Legalese 18:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)CC from the Jainism Discussion page, Can we please discuss on this. thanks "Diwali is celebrated by a lot of jains in a spiritual way by observing fasts or having celebrations in temples because it happens to be the "nirvana day" of the 24th Tirthankar Shree Mahavir" User zazaban found this strange? Views, and comments from others please...and Zazaban, please explain what did you find "strange" here?

Talk:Muhammad

Removal of other user's Talk page comments, except in certain rare and specific instances is vandalism. Please refrain from doing so, unless you can cite the specific policy which you are using. Wjhonson 06:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)