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::*Exactly - not only that, but I requested this name as a namechange after my previous name, MoeLarryAndJesus, was banned. So this name somehow was approved. Imagine that. No one here batted an eye at it until after I myself suggested it would be next. Misplaced Pages - the place where torture and child molestation are value-neutral activities! Is that really what people want? And please spare me the policy, policy, policy mantra. It's just not that clear. ] 20:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC) ::*Exactly - not only that, but I requested this name as a namechange after my previous name, MoeLarryAndJesus, was banned. So this name somehow was approved. Imagine that. No one here batted an eye at it until after I myself suggested it would be next. Misplaced Pages - the place where torture and child molestation are value-neutral activities! Is that really what people want? And please spare me the policy, policy, policy mantra. It's just not that clear. ] 20:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::*Apparently one of the Bureaucrats wasn't up to date on the username policy. And the policy wouldn't have to be that clear if people would just catch on that it means "don't pick a name that will cause problems with conducting encyclopedic and neutral editing or civil discussion". --] <small>]</small> ] 20:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC) :::*Apparently one of the Bureaucrats wasn't up to date on the username policy. And the policy wouldn't have to be that clear if people would just catch on that it means "don't pick a name that will cause problems with conducting encyclopedic and neutral editing or civil discussion". --] <small>]</small> ] 20:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
*** Of course no such "problems" have occurred with this name, and never will. But the policy junkies smell blood and they've brought in the Hall Monitors and I have little doubt what the outcome will be. ] 20:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' Actually, torture can be non-violent. ] 20:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC) * '''Comment''' Actually, torture can be non-violent. ] 20:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
**Good point, Shadow. I always like to see real thinking going on instead of reflexive chants of "policy." Thanks. And you're right, many of the techniques of torture (though not all) approved by the current American adminstration - sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation, etc. - are arguably not acts of violence. ] 20:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC) **Good point, Shadow. I always like to see real thinking going on instead of reflexive chants of "policy." Thanks. And you're right, many of the techniques of torture (though not all) approved by the current American adminstration - sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation, etc. - are arguably not acts of violence. ] 20:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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Canister of Death (talk · contribs)

This user has chosen a name which is morbid and vaguely threatening. (Zyklon B was what came in my mind, and I am not Jewish). I asked him to consider changing the name but he has refused, so I have brought it here. Sam Blacketer 22:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Disallow, when I see the term I do think of things such as Mustard Gas (comes in canisters, causes death), gas chambers, etc. Cascadia 22:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow. Editor's thought-associations shouldn't be used to decide this sort of question. There's no violation. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak allow. I don't like it but I don't think it quite crosses the "implying violence" line. RJASE1 22:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow, and I request that the submitter refrain from projecting, especially with RFCN, something that directly affects new users and may chase people away from the project. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 23:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Sam has every right to bring to RFCN a username he finds that may violate WP:U. Under what authority do you have to ask that a user, under good faith, to refrain bringing a name that in his opinion violates WP:U to RFCN after following process? Cascadia 23:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
      • You appear to have misread my text. I wrote, and I quote: "I request that". Please let me know if I can help out in any other way. BTW, the submitter didn't mention that he felt it violated WP:U, unless I missed something. "Vaguely menacing" or "morbid" usernames are not addressed. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 23:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
        • I think that all contributors to this page do this sort of 'projecting', to try to ascertain whether a username is likely to be perceived as insulting or offensive by other users. In my view this one is likely to be. I may, of course, be wrong. However I think this name implies violence in a way which WP:U recommends against; I wish no harm to the user and have told him so. Sam Blacketer 23:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow Does not seem to be against policy to me. Kukini 23:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    A google search of "zyklon b" and "canister" shows 1480 hits. I suspect, as Sam does, that the reference is intentional. I don't see how "kevinkillsfosho" is banned and this one is not. TortureIsWrong 23:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    That's because, like many other things, gas comes in canisters. The Google search is irrelevant. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 23:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    Actually I don't think the user chose his name intentionally to make that reference; I just think that enough people who see the username will make the connection. Also if you go to Zyklon B you'll see a picture of a large pile of Canisters of Death. Sam Blacketer 23:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    Indeed, the average person would see a sinister meaning behind this username. I believe it implies real world violence (genocide, mass murder, etc), and that is the connection many average users will make. It is the first that came to mind when I saw it. Cascadia 23:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow - Many things come in canisters. Some canisters can cause death without the means of cyanide! Examples include: carbon dioxide canisters, oxygen canisters, and cans of soup. A rat placed in a CO canister would die. A plant placed in an oxygen canister would die as well. A can of soup, once placed into a bowl, could result in the drowning of a little kid who doesn't have enough manners to know that one shouldn't drink their soup without a spoon......The point is: stop using the Nazi reference. This username could mean many things--Ed 00:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow. When faced with "what's a good name?" too many people come up with something "that'd be a great name for a band!" I don't doubt there's a band named "Tracks of Death". Reading the WP:U, I see as general guidance
... it also means picking a name that others are comfortable seeing and collaborating with.
... take care to avoid anything that might cause offence ...
What is not strictly mentioned are names designed to cause disquiet or unease. If I chose a name "IKnowHowYou'llDie", that is not strictly inflammatory or hateful. Indeed, it is probably unfounded personal opinion. And I'd likely laugh it off. But others will see it quite differently, and as threatening, if vaguely. Where do these two names 'fit' into the guidelines? Shenme 03:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the answer would be the two lines you've quoted. It may be hard to explain, but editing and collaborating with "Canister of Death" just doesn't feel right, and although some my cry foul, but I have to wonder at one's motivation for wanting to be referred to online as a "Canister of Death". Cascadia 04:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Disallow Seems to be about violence, it is a litle distasteful as mentioned above by another user but it is inappropriate in my view.Tellyaddict 14:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Fartymcgee (talk · contribs)

Reference to excretory function. RJASE1 16:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Disallow, WP:U bodily function. Cascadia 16:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow Nothing is excreted except air, are usernames that reference burping disallowed too? C'mon. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 16:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow Aside from the fact that this username is hilarious, I really don't think that this is a terribly offensive username. When I read "excretory functions of the body", I certainly consider it to be talking about stuff like shit and piss, not gas. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - per EVula TortureIsWrong 17:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - this may be against the spirit of WP:U, but it isn't against the letter. Passing gas isn't an excretory function. Flyguy649contribs 17:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow The Behnam 17:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow - clear violation of WP:U bodily function. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 17:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Question: Is 'Breathe' also verbotten? It's also a bodily function. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 17:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Fart jokes and Poop jokes follow the same path. Laughter by something that comes out of one's ass. Cascadia 18:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
        • True, but as I stated, this is still not a violation of WP:U as it's written. The relevant policy is, "Usernames that refer to or allude to reproductive or excretory functions of the body." Passing gas is not an excretory function of the body. If we don't want such user names to be used in the future, then we have to change policy. Flyguy649contribs 18:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • "Excretion: The elimination by an organism of waste products that result from metabolic processes. In plants, waste is minimal and is eliminated primarily by diffusion to the outside environment. Animals have specific organs of excretion. In vertebrates, the kidney filters blood, conserving water and producing urea and other waste products in the form of urine. The urine is then passed through the ureters to the bladder and discharged through the urethra. The skin and lungs, which eliminate carbon dioxide, are also excretory organs." -American Heritage Science Dictionary as accessed from Dictonary.com, one of many definitions of Excretion. Flatulence is excretion of gasses from the anus, sometimes accompanied by a bowel movement. Cascadia 18:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • Just quoting a dictionary entry on the definition of excretion. Read into it any additonal meanings that you want. Cascadia 18:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
        • (edit conflicts) And now we have to ban User:SweatyMcGee and User:BreathingMcGee? Excretory functions are normally considered defacation and urination. I don't like FartyMcGee (and I only see a couple of people thinking that it's hilarious and tasteful), but it ain't against the rules as I see it. However, this is why we have these discussions. Flyguy649contribs 18:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • What does common sense tell you? Cascadia 18:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • No one is inventing new ones. Cascadia 18:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
            • You provided a definition that didn't describe flatulence as excretion, but asserted that it did. If you can provide a reliable source that accurately demonstrates what you unsuccesfully attempted to earlier with the dictionary def, it'll help. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 18:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • At the risk of sounding increadibly rude and insensitive, I'm going to ask that you read the first line of the definition again, and perhaps a third time. Just incase that can't happen, here is it in bold: "The elimination by an organism of waste products that result from metabolic processes." What is flatuence? A waste product as a result of the metabolic process. Is that good enough for you? Cascadia 18:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
            • CO2 is a waste product of metabolic processes that is expelled by breathing. Please explain again why this doesn't meet your criteria? Also, no need to be rude, this should be about keeping a level head. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 18:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • I think we'll deal with breathing when we come to that bridge. Right now the discussion is about flatulence. Why do you feel the need to dwell on something other than what we're discussing right now? On top of that, using common sense, breathing, as stated once already, is not a function that people would obect to. Flatuence is. Cascadia 18:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
            • Specifically, you and a couple other folks object to flatulence in usernames, please be careful to avoid making globally inclusive statements like that. The history of RFCN shows that there are many, MANY names that a small group of people object to that the community at large is ok with. Please be civil, we're having a discussion here, and accusing me of "dwelling" on this really doesn't move the goal of finding consensus forward. We may disagree on an item, but that doesn't mean the person we disagree with is has ill intent. While you see this as a 'common sense' decision, I note that the end result of a "disallow" judgment is that a user will be told he isn't welcome here under his chosen name, and an expected result of that in many cases is that the person simply leaves the project rather than contributing. A "disallow" is, to use technical terminology, "pretty big voodoo" in that it has a MUCH larger effect on the target than it does on the person casually dispensing it. I urge perspective on the matter, and feel it is out responsibility to err on the side of Allow, and to save the ubiquitous "disallow" for things far more egregious than "Farty McGee". - CHAIRBOY (☎) 19:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Chairboy, I understand you wanting to be conservative in disallows, but let me ask you this. How many times is the term fart used around you in a non-vulgar way, or not referring to expelling gas. 1/10? 2/10? You would prefer to err on the side of Allow, but I see no need to err. You say that we need to save 'disallows' for things much worse than this, because we may put off an editor. I would have to ask what the editor was thinking when they chose a bodily function for a username? This is a situation where I must say that the editor has chosen his boat. If that boat springs a leak and sinks, it's nobody's fault but his own. Policy isn't there to be dictated by "Oh, that's not THAT bad" vs. "Oh my!", but "The policy states X, you violated it. You could gladly come up with a new username, or we'll put it to the community." Cascadia 19:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
          • Have you never heard of a brain fart? I personally have experienced several of these unintentional and highly embarrassing breaches of common etiquette. And, now newly acquainted with the term, you'll recognize the meaning also. Quite embarrassing, I assure you. Shenme 05:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow per policy. Kukini 18:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • PROOF specifically cites farting as an excretory function. Please reconsider your votes accordingly. The Behnam 18:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - it's kinda hilarious and borderline WP:U - Alison 19:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
It is not borderline. Please read the link I provided above; this clearly is about a excretory function. Thanks. The Behnam 19:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's not strictly excretion - breathing and sweating are, believe it or not. Technically speaking, it's egestion (see here) and there's nothing in WP:U against defecation, believe it or not - Alison 03:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC) (edits too many medical articles for her own good)
Why? What is wrong with the points brought up here? How isn't it a violation of the policy on excretory functions? Please consider . Thanks. The Behnam 23:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but perhaps you didn't read this ? A RS clearly stating it as excretory, and no contradicting reply has been made, so I don't think there is a real dispute here. The Behnam 23:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Policy disallows excretory functions, and fart can be found offensive anyway. Please read the discussion and if you disagree with points made for disallow, provide an adequate response. Thanks. The Behnam 00:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I do not see how this negates my point, with regard to precedents. Are you seriously suggesting that plays on "cunt" should be allowed because cunts do not have an excretory function? Please note that "cunt" is generally regarded as THE most offensive swear word in the English language (in all English dialects), whereas "fart" is only very mildly offensive if at all. 217.155.20.163 01:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm asking you to respond to my discussion, not about your 'precedent' discussion. I'm not talking about cunt which I agree is highly offensive. I'm talking about fart and the arguments brought against it here. Anyway, you should probably realize that if you find a problem with that user name, you should bring it here instead of citing it as a reason to keep 'less' inappropriate user names. Thanks. The Behnam 01:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, please knock it off and read WP:POINT. RJASE1 01:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Accusing a user you disagree with of violating Misplaced Pages to make a point isn't terribly proper, and a conflict of interest seems indicated. I'm sure it was an oversight, but please use caution in the future. I see no evidence that his actions are disruptive in the fashion suggested. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 02:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the conflict of interest could be, but I think the numerous irrelevant mentions of some other username are somewhat disruptive. But, hey, whatever you say, Chairboy. RJASE1 02:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
RJASE, please read WP:DNFT :) . Anyway, it strikes me as odd that Chairboy continues to object even though his original reason seemed to incorrectly classify "excretory" functions and he has not responded to the RS cited proving that "fart" is indeed a excretory function and hence against policy. The Behnam 02:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow.. Just playful & friendly. And: That apparently serious discussion about what constitutes a "excretory function" is very, very bizarre policy creep and wikilawyering about nothing. Azate 02:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
While it may be "playful" to you, it is directly relevant to the policy against excretory functions. And if you are going to talk about wikilawyering, it might be noted that this kind of silly 'potty-mouth' name is definitely not in the spirit of WP:U, so please do not make ill-considered accusations. Anyway, unless I am wrong, you have simply tried to discard legitimate RS proof with unsubstantiated personal accusations. Please respond in a more appropriate manner. Thank you. The Behnam 02:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Heaven! "FartyMacGee" is so harmless it would pass as a character's name in a TV programme aimed at children. The very fact that you get all worked up about my simply opining here, earnestly accuse me of accusing you, and use this dreadful lawer-language just serves to bolster my point. This is not a court case. No need to "discard legitimate RS proof". No need to delve into the finer chemical points of this borderline "excretory function". This is simply a clownish name. Your whole crusade here is either a nice April's fool thing - or you may need a vacation. Azate 02:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
On a board where we weight against WP:U, we should weight against WP:U, not WP:Does Azate think it is playful. So please, rather than telling me to leave WP please provide a response appropriate to this board. Thank you. The Behnam 02:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
That obviously correct. But "Farty" can simply be shorthand for Farah, Fareeda, Farca, Faris, Farly, Farrah, Farrell, Farren etc Azate 03:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - it's probably a play on D'Arcy McGee - Alison 04:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow. While we'd all like to expel brainlessness, it is not shown at all a brain fart is excretory. I'm sure that you all will recognize the embarrassing situation. And as for farting being quite so excreable as discussed above, have you all forgotten the renowned, imitated, but most illustrious Le Pétomane! Would you insult the memory of an entire nation by denigrating the entertainment of the flatulist! Tut-tut! And I say again, toot! Shenme 05:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Another fart apologist fielding fringe theories. jk, but seriously your far-fetched explanations don't refute the damning anti-fart evidence presented here. The Behnam 08:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
BUT THE POLICY BANS REFERENCE TO EXCRETORY FUNCTIONS! GAAAH! OK, I'm not that mad, but how did you miss the relevant policy point? The Behnam 08:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
It disallows usernames that are "needlessly discouraging to other contributors, and disrupt and distract from our task of creating an encyclopedia". I don't believe that this violated the spirit of the policy. Sure, it's dumb, but it's not discouraging or disruptive. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 09:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Punkbitch (talk · contribs)

Nominating to disallow as insulting username (both Punk and Bitch). I understand this nomination will probably be contentious because 'Punk' has other meanings and 'Bitch' has been partially reclaimed, but I've only ever seen these two words combined in an insulting context. There is no clear precedent here so far as I can see - according to the archive, "Skankbitch" was disallowed but "Cuddlebitch" was allowed. RJASE1 17:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Similar discussions here and here. InBC 17:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - Innocuous, it's fine. Don't see the WP:U violation. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 17:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow per Chairboy.TortureIsWrong 17:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong disallow obviously insulting. "N*gg*r" has been partially reclaimed too, but that's not an allowable username either. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 17:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow Both "punk" and "bitch" are valid personality types. I hear bitch on radio and TV, is it even profanity? InBC 17:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow, this would be overly sensitive I think. Mangojuice 17:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow per WP:U Usernames that are recognised as slurs or insults. Cascadia 18:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I think the remarks above demonstrate this name is potentially inflammatory. RJASE1 19:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - we've been over this one before. From my previous comment; controversially, the word bitch can be empowering if used in the right circumstances. Here's an example. Then there's Image:Bitchstar.JPG which survived an RFD and is now used amongst editors (including two admins) as a 'badge of honour' in reverting vandals - Alison 19:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I understand your argument, but the policy says that potentially inflammatory or offensive usernames are not allowed. Let's apply HighInBC's "Walking down the street" thought experiment - if you walked down the street saying the word "Bitch" or "Punkbitch" to every female you met, do you think a majority would thank you for empowering them? RJASE1 19:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Obvious disallow. Forget "potentially" inflammatory, this will offend someone. It offends me, and I'm not even female. --tjstrf talk 20:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow per tjstrf. ShadowHalo 20:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong disallow offensive and disreputable. While it is possible that the name was created in good faith by a self-assertive female who likes punk, the more common usage is as a derogatory term for a male homosexual.Proabivouac 20:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow, per WP:U Usernames that are recognized as slurs or insults.Kukini 20:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow. Neil (not Proto ►) 20:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow per WP:U "Usernames that are recognized as slurs or insults." --Nick—/Contribs 21:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow, per Alison. Abeg92contribs 21:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Reluctant disallow. I like reclaming words, but I still think most people don't mean anything complimentary when they call someone else a bitch. Natalie 21:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. What on Earth does "reclaimed" mean? Are people harking back to some golden age when calling someone a bitch wasn't insulting? In my part of the country, in fact, it's often used differently, but I'm pretty certain that's not what people are talking about — so what are they talking about? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow, great username and breaks no policy I'm aware of. --Fredrick day 22:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow. I should have said — my question above doesn't mean that I'm against this name. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Usernames aren't just personal choices, they force other editors to use them in the course of normal conversation. If this user is allowed to participate under this username, I will not allow him/her to post on my talk page, and will refuse to address him/her by this moniker. Proabivouac 22:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    Your choice, though it might lead you into trouble; I don't think that there are any grounds for you to act in such a way, and in certain circumstances you could be seen as being disruptive or uncivil, and even blocked. And it wouldn't be User:Punkbitch's fault. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    Your interpretation of civility would compel others to use uncivil language if this is part of another's username - in fact, it is the username itself that is uncivil.
    Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a respectable enterprise. If so, usernames of this nature have no place here. If they become common, we will sink further into well-earned disrepute.Proabivouac 22:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    (edit conflict, replying to Mel) Not so. This is one of the reasons that we forbid names like Jesus Christ or Yahweh: depending on the context and how strictly an individual interprets their religion some users might feel that another user's name is literally forcing them to sin if they engage in conversation with them. (For instance, I would feel somewhat uncomfortable addressing a User:GodDamnIt, and I'm hardly what you would call an overly pious individual.) While obscenities are somewhat different than profanities, shouldn't we extend the same courtesy here?
    When people complain about our having articles on offensive subjects, the standard justification is that we don't force people to look at articles on offensive topics. In this instance the "offensive topic" in question can seek you out. --tjstrf talk 22:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    As I've said a number of times, offence is often the fault of the offendee not the offender. Also, language is never uncivil — only the use of language. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    Mel, per that argument, any username would be allowed. RJASE1 22:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    Which? The first comment isn't an argument, just a truism (but one that's often overlooked). Sometimes offence is given, but sometimes it's taken. There are a few serial takers here. The second comment is again a truism: sentences aren't true or false, only statements (or propositions), and similarly words aren't uncivil, only the uses of words. A dictionary writer isn't being vulgar and uncivil when she types "bastard" at the beginning of a definition, nor is an actor in a Shakespeare play — but if I called you a bastard because I disagreed with you, then I'd be uncivil and wrong. If Proabivouac used the name "Punkbitch" when replying to a user, he waouldn't be being uncivil. It's not an argument for any User name – not even for any user name that meets all the other criteria – because names can clearly be intended insultingly, or would be taken to be insulting by someone of normal sensitivity. We shouldn't allow the acceptability of names to be dictated either by the insensitive or the oversensitive. But this should be discussed at Talk. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 23:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    Perhaps you are unaware of the strength of this epithet in parts of the United States. It is used, for example, in prisons to describe one who is compelled to submit to sexual assault. Like other terms associated with prison life, its connotations are well understood by large segments of the population.Proabivouac 23:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    We're not in a U.S. prison. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't get all the navel-gazing here. Is 'bitch' a potentially inflammatory and insulting word, or isn't it? If it is potentially inflammatory, it needs to be disallowed per policy - even if it doesn't offend some particular people. As I've said before, please try to apply the reasonable person standard, not your own personal standards. RJASE1 23:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I should add I politely asked the two users with 'bitch' in their names to please explain their reasons for choosing those names, and I gave them several days to reply with no response. That doesn't bode well for good faith. RJASE1 23:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow-Weak profanity. --TeckWiz Contribs@ 23:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - only very mildly offensive. Moreover, Misplaced Pages has a track record of allowing innuendo-laden usernames, such as the CUNTtator, sorry "cunctator" (ho ho ho). Come on guys - post-Siegenthaler, Essjay, Fuzzy Zoeller, etc, there are surely worse problems than this to worry about. 217.155.20.163 00:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - 'Punk' is just some sort of music. And 'bitch' may be mildly offensive - or a female dog. Azate 01:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - "punk" refers to rock, and "bitch" can refer to a female dog--Ed 03:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Disallow. Personally, I like it. But if the standard is "might cause offense" then we are going to have to come up with defining illustratory examples which ... will not be readable by those easily offended - it'll have to be a sub-page. I would like to point out that one of HBC's examples, User:Bitchen has been contributing just fine thank you. Shenme 05:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I wonder how many "allows" are based on simple ignorance, a trend seen in previous allows of plainly offensive (in a foreign language) as in User:Malakaville and in disallows of real names as User:Vivekvaibhawdwivedi and User:Islam ghali. While English differs from place to place and from class to class, the meaning of "punk bitch" is plain to tens of millions of Americans (at least), and couldn't be more derogatory if it tried., ,. To allow based upon ignorance of this fact is no different from allowing a usename which to us means nothing, but in Russian means "sex with your mother."Proabivouac 06:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Proabivouac says - 'While English differs from place to place and from class to class, the meaning of "punk bitch" is plain to tens of millions of Americans (at least), and couldn't be more derogatory if it tried.' Actually tens of millions of Americans loved punk music and get the joke and couldn't be convinced that it's 'derogatory' if you used a baseball bat on them. By the way, what's a "proabivouac"? It sounds like either a commercial plug or some maniacal military reference. TortureIsWrong 06:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
You are perceptive: we are to maniacally attack earth with dreaded micronesian multi-hulled canoes, based out of riverine bivouacs, all this in the service of The Man.Proabivouac 10:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment this name is very subjective, it could mean many things. It could be a powerful female who likes Punk (music), or it could mean girly coward. (where punk is another word coward, and bitch is a pejorative of female) I do not see a clear consensus, and propose to close it as such. --w 07:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
    Actually, please don't close as "no consensus", if you don't mind. I think it's been pretty clearly demonstrated so far that the name is potentially offensive or inflammatory, which would mean a disallow per WP:U. The counterarguments mostly seem to be "I like it" or "it doesn't offend me personally". Policy should be the determining factor. RJASE1 07:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
    First, the characterisation of the "allow" votes is almost wilfully inaccurate. Secondly, this amounts to saying that those who say that it doesn't violate WP:I are wrong, those who say that it does are right, so ignore the former. Pretty much the approach that some of us have been complaining about at the Talk page. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow It says that they must not be inflammatory on WP:USERNAME and this is, could have been instantly reported to WP:AIV.Tellyaddict 14:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow More than potentially inflammatory in my book.--Dycedarg ж 17:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow. If this is a good-faith choice of username, it is still too problematic to have to address this person, "hello, punk bitch." I am very uncomfortable with the idea of this, as much as I would be if an acquaintance insisted that their name was "nigger". I am insulted and take offense to the term being used at all, regardless of toward whom it is directed. I am not a particularly squeamish person, so if it offends me, it will certainly offend many more users here. If this is not a good-faith choice, well, the answer is obvious as well. In my part of the world, this phrase is heard before a gay man is physically assaulted. It is not something Misplaced Pages users should have to see on a daily basis. It's obvious, folks, disallow this. — coelacan — 19:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The bitches (talk · contribs)

Insulting username. RJASE1 17:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't see the connection between the two words. The N word has a clear insult racist meaning, whereas Bitch can mean "Female dog", "bad tempered", or "strong willed", no comparison. InBC 17:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think so. I can think of a certain 'C'-word that's way worse - Alison 19:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I was not aware that the name only applied to females, I have heard men and women use it in a positive fashion towards both men and women. InBC 19:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I've also heard it used in a strongly derogatory fashion toward males and females, far more often than in a positive fashion. I definitely believe it's potentially offensive per WP:U. RJASE1 20:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Ipodfreak44 (talk · contribs)

WP:U prohibits usernames with trademarked names. iPod is a trademark of the Apple Corporation. BlackBear 15:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Fenian Swine (talk · contribs)

Bringing this here following a discussion at WP:ANI. This was also the subject of a previous request for comment. For the record, Fenian is a term for an Irish nationalist, and some apparently find the username insulting. I'm nominating this procedurally only, I have no opinion. RJASE1 19:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Disallow Insulting to a particular ideology. Even if "Fenian" was not an insult, saying "Irish nationalist swine" would also be insulting. The fact that the user may be using it ironically does not effect the potential to offend. InBC 19:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow, the article on Fenian even states it is an insult, and swine has been an insult for quite a long time. I really wish the user would've changed his username to something else that shows his heritage. Cascadia 19:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Allow - User's talk page shows he considers himself to be a Fenian swine in the sense of identifying himself with the freedom fighters of a century ago who finally obtained (partial) Irish independence. "Fenian swine" is being reclaimed by him proudly from the Black & Tan pigs who used to use it as an insult while they were brutalizing women and children. I consider myself to be a Fenian swine, too! TortureIsWrong 19:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
      • You disallow almost everything, and you're fortunate that your own pot-promoting name wasn't banned. You would think you'd give others a similar break from time to time. In any event, I stand by my comment. The user is proud to be called a Fenian swine, as am I. If you bothered to look into it, you'd see that. By the way, the name has survived a previous attempt to shoot it down - why take a shot at it again? TortureIsWrong 19:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • First off, no I don't disallow everything, check your facts. Secondly, if you think there is a problem with my name then go ahead and list it. InBC 19:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
      • If the man is wrong, it's right to fight him. All Fenian swine know that. And the ever-blessed policy is not always clear, as these debates show. I think it would be better if people would acknowledge that instead of always claiming that they, and only they, know what policy means. It's a fluid thing, isn't it? TortureIsWrong 19:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • It should also be noted that the rantings above are inappropriate for this discussion and were seemingly made to invite some sort of political sectarian argument gaillimh 19:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

TortureIsWrong (talk · contribs)

Violation of WP:U#Violence, refers to real-world violent actions. RJASE1 19:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • This user spends a full 1/3rd of his edits here and has already responded, so no, this can continue.(or was that a joke?) InBC 20:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Disallow, Nominating Argument is correct on the interpretation. (Grabs helmet and gets in bunker) Cascadia 20:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Clarification, my decision was in no way based off of the users actions or comments of RFCN. Cascadia 20:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow per nom. The guy posts here every day and nobody caught this one yet? lol. (Now how long until HighinBC goes on trial for being "a drug reference" and myself for being "random"?) --tjstrf talk 20:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • (ec)There is no rule against drug references or illegal stuff. Just promoting a controversial point of view, but it does not promote anything, more it states a fact that I don't think is in doubt. Now if it was violence instead of drugs then yes a simple mention or allusion would suffice for a violation. I think yours would pass as it seems short enough and the tendency is to allow such names. InBC 20:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Exactly - not only that, but I requested this name as a namechange after my previous name, MoeLarryAndJesus, was banned. So this name somehow was approved. Imagine that. No one here batted an eye at it until after I myself suggested it would be next. Misplaced Pages - the place where torture and child molestation are value-neutral activities! Is that really what people want? And please spare me the policy, policy, policy mantra. It's just not that clear. TortureIsWrong 20:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Apparently one of the Bureaucrats wasn't up to date on the username policy. And the policy wouldn't have to be that clear if people would just catch on that it means "don't pick a name that will cause problems with conducting encyclopedic and neutral editing or civil discussion". --tjstrf talk 20:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Of course no such "problems" have occurred with this name, and never will. But the policy junkies smell blood and they've brought in the Hall Monitors and I have little doubt what the outcome will be. TortureIsWrong 20:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Actually, torture can be non-violent. ShadowHalo 20:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Good point, Shadow. I always like to see real thinking going on instead of reflexive chants of "policy." Thanks. And you're right, many of the techniques of torture (though not all) approved by the current American adminstration - sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation, etc. - are arguably not acts of violence. TortureIsWrong 20:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Violent, meaning something the violates, how can torture not violate in some way? Perhaps you are thinking of only physical violence. InBC 20:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow yes, yes, very droll. But the clause about referring to violent actions is in the context of "Misplaced Pages does not allow potentially inflammatory or offensive usernames...This includes, but is not limited to:...". I don't believe it's inflammatory, so no contravention of WP:U. But it is POV.Canthusus 20:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I think you are misreading: "Inflammatory usernames are needlessly discouraging to other contributors, and disrupt and distract from our task of creating an encyclopedia. This includes, but is not limited to..." "...Usernames that promote or refer to violent real-world actions". Includes but is not limited too, it is explicitly forbidden. If you think refer to should not be in there than change policy, but don't misread it. InBC 20:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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