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This article contained a fair amount of nonsense, and hardly anything is sourced. For the monent I've altered it to agree with Theravada doctrine, except where it specifically refers to Mahayana. I hope people who know about other schools can note any differences. ] 14:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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==Western Bias in main Karma article==

An RfC seems an obvious way ahead but the editor who feels strongly that the article should remain as it is has shown no interest in a RfC.

The issue is that the article has a ] section which is based on an article by a Western philosopher Whitely Kaufman, called "Karma, Rebirth and the problem of evil" presented to the "Revisioning Karma" conference.

It presents many conclusions Kaufman made about Karma, and presents them in objective "encyclopaedic tone" as issues with all such ideas not just in Western adaptations of the ideas but in the original Hindu and Buddhist ideas of karma. Also it is presented before the sections on Karma in Hinduism, Buddhism etc - so at that point in the article the reader hasn't yet been exposed to the original ideas.

There is no evidence as far as I can see that her arguments have been accepted as even of interest by Eastern scholars. Those involved in the debate as far as I can see are Western theologians and philosophers. At any rate, no Eastern scholars as far as I can see in the papers submitted to the conference on "Revisioning Karma".

For details, see ]

As you'll see there also, Dorje presented a suggestion for re-ordering the page that was supported by myself also and one other editor but it came to nothing ]

I don't know what to do next, I know sometimes on Misplaced Pages there is nothing you can do in cases like this, just drawing your attention to this. Suggestions welcome!

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== Too much ==

{{yo|ZuluPapa5}} I think that is becoming too much. The article is on Karma in Buddhism, not on Karma in Nyingma. Maybe you can move it to a better-suited article(s)? Best regards, ] -] 04:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:Ha ha ha, I sensed this was coming. Maybe wikipedia should have these individual Nyingma sections put into a combined summary, and drop the direct lama attributions here? I could draft a combined paragraphs and drop the lama attributions. Alternatively, ] could be an article following the ] and ] example. I have about 3 or 4 other Vajrayana Nyingma Buddhism references to add. What I am seeing is that causality literature originates with karma and as technologies advance the so do the human experience metaphors. Feedback appreciated. ] (]) 17:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

: BTW, I just found an essene of the issue source, I believe it's pointing to sutra. Not to go against your concerns; but, plan to add it in to the top. ] (]) 17:47, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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==Nichiren's view of karma==

I would like to add Nichiren's view of karma to the list. There are many millions of Nichiren followers.] (]) 21:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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Western Bias in main Karma article

An RfC seems an obvious way ahead but the editor who feels strongly that the article should remain as it is has shown no interest in a RfC.

The issue is that the article has a Karma#Discussion section which is based on an article by a Western philosopher Whitely Kaufman, called "Karma, Rebirth and the problem of evil" presented to the "Revisioning Karma" conference.

It presents many conclusions Kaufman made about Karma, and presents them in objective "encyclopaedic tone" as issues with all such ideas not just in Western adaptations of the ideas but in the original Hindu and Buddhist ideas of karma. Also it is presented before the sections on Karma in Hinduism, Buddhism etc - so at that point in the article the reader hasn't yet been exposed to the original ideas.

There is no evidence as far as I can see that her arguments have been accepted as even of interest by Eastern scholars. Those involved in the debate as far as I can see are Western theologians and philosophers. At any rate, no Eastern scholars as far as I can see in the papers submitted to the conference on "Revisioning Karma".

For details, see Talk:Karma#Western bias of the Discussion Section - summary of the issues

As you'll see there also, Dorje presented a suggestion for re-ordering the page that was supported by myself also and one other editor but it came to nothing Talk:Karma#Problem_with_recent_section_reordering

I don't know what to do next, I know sometimes on Misplaced Pages there is nothing you can do in cases like this, just drawing your attention to this. Suggestions welcome!

Robert Walker (talk)

Too much

@ZuluPapa5: I think that this is becoming too much. The article is on Karma in Buddhism, not on Karma in Nyingma. Maybe you can move it to a better-suited article(s)? Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, I sensed this was coming. Maybe wikipedia should have these individual Nyingma sections put into a combined summary, and drop the direct lama attributions here? I could draft a combined paragraphs and drop the lama attributions. Alternatively, Karma in Vajrayana Nyingma Buddhism could be an article following the Karma and Karma in Buddhism example. I have about 3 or 4 other Vajrayana Nyingma Buddhism references to add. What I am seeing is that causality literature originates with karma and as technologies advance the so do the human experience metaphors. Feedback appreciated. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
BTW, I just found an essene of the issue source, I believe it's pointing to sutra. Not to go against your concerns; but, plan to add it in to the top. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 17:47, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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Nichiren's view of karma

I would like to add Nichiren's view of karma to the list. There are many millions of Nichiren followers.Ltdan43 (talk) 21:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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