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I give myself the authority to remove bogus warning templates from my page Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Castes

Well mate, I'm not sure I agree. If that category were to be added to the Caste page, I would object. Globally, caste is probably not derived from Hinduism. However, I would argue that castes in the Indian subcontinent were developed in a society that was overwhelmingly Hindu. But if you want to make another article, you should talk to admin Utcursch. Maybe he can offer some good advice. Cheers. Agoras 03:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Jat people

I don't think anybody will support the deletion -- it will be argued that this is just like other categories ( Category:Assamese people, Category:Bengali people etc.), since Jat people are also an ethnic group. utcursch | talk 04:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ngo Dinh Diem

Hello, Bakasuprman.

We need to discuss your edits. Dr. Mark Moyar (cited in the article) has recently published a history of Vietnam War that makes a convincing case that Diem did not persecute the Buddhists. For example, Dr. Moyar documents that Diem had more Buddhists in his cabinet (8) than any other denomination, that the Buddhist protests only began in May 1963 because of Diem's decision to enforce a long-standing ordinance against all religious denominations, and these protests were perpetuated in part by Communist infiltrators and exaggerated by the media. You may not buy all of this, but I think we need to present both points of view.--VnTruth 19:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Madame Nhu's big mouth caused a lot of mischief. I'll be in touch.--VnTruth 20:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Good evening, B.

I've revised the Buddhist paragraph to make it clear that the assertions contained therein represent one, albeit majority, POV. Let me know if you have any problems with the edits. I'll probably insert a couple of paragraphs stating the revisionist POV (and describing it as such) in the near future. --VnTruth 21:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Indrajit Gupta

I have expanded Indrajit Gupta and submitted it for DYK. Regards. -- P.K.Niyogi 06:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Crveni Krst (Belgrade)

Did you know? was updated. On 29 March, 2007, a fact from the article Crveni Krst (Belgrade), which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Traver

Hey, Thank man. Traver Rebello 18:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

i'm not leaving

but i'm exactly happy with what's going on.--D-Boy 20:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 2 - March 2007

Project News Plagiarism by the Times of India: Recently it was noticed that the Times of India, the world's largest distribution daily had systematically plagiarised many of Misplaced Pages's biographies on members of the Indian cricket team among other cricketers on its website, sometimes with errors propagated (details). After discussion and discovery of further plagiarisms in other fields, the issue reached the admin noticeboard archived here. Jimbo's visit to India and the WikiCamp in Chennai: Jimbo recently visited India in late February and early March on wiki work. This included a trip to a WikiCamp in Chennai. The one day conference attracted 300 participants from across India and beyond dealt with issues facing wikis (). It was widely covered by the press, eg The Hindu( ), which cited the efforts of Bhadani (edit count), Sundar (leadership on Tamil Misplaced Pages) and Ganeshk (Creation of Ganeshbot to create articles on Indian towns from census figures). Ganeshk himself travelled from California to attend the conference. Misplaced Pages Weekly 15: Misplaced Pages Weekly, a informal Wikipedians' program that purports to give "A weekly audio roundup of Misplaced Pages happenings with news, interviews and roundtable discussions" recently interviewed two prominent editors Rama's Arrow and Ragib(listen). The entire 34 minute interview was entirely about the world of Indian subcontinent wiki-happenings, and was the first episode which was not entirely dominated by discussion of wiki-politics and wiki-bureaucracy, with the host Witty lama praising the efficiency of the project and its proliferation of featured content. Rama's Arrow cited the team spirit, friendship and respect among project members in discussing its success and FA productivity, as well as discussing subcontinental wiki-conflict. Ragib talked also of his public campaign to raise awareness of the Bengali Misplaced Pages in his native Bangladesh, which has seen a 30-fold increase in article count over the past year. Arbitration: Three cases are either in progress or have recently ended. Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan regarding the activities of various Indian and Pakistani editors on pages related to Indian subcontinent history topics, the national status of various pre-Partition figures, and edit-warring over Indic scripts and WikiProject tags was held and concluded in late February- early March. As a result of this, four Pakistani users, Siddiqui, Szhaider, Nadirali and Unre4L were all banned for one year for disruption via edit-warring and confrontationalism. Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sathya Sai Baba 2 regarding a dispute over the article of the religious teacher closed in early March with four users indefinitely banned from the article. Currently, Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Freedom_skies is in the evidence phase. It is concerned with the editing of Freedom_skies, who edits articles on ancient Indian history, primarily civilisation articles such as Indian mathematics and related articles, as well as Buddhism articles such as Pusyamitra Sunga, as well as those pertaining to the propagation of Mahayana Buddhism to China such as Bodhidharma and Zen. What's New? Featured and Good Content: Eight articles: Vijayanagara Empire (nom), Delhi (nom), Pashtun people (nom), Nathu La (nom), Harbhajan Singh (nom), Hoysala architecture (nom), Harbhajan Singh (nom), Technopark, Kerala (nom) and Western Chalukya Empire (nom) were featured from our WikiProject recently, since our last edition. 'Dineshkannambadi has been a phenomenal force in the production of FAs recently, being responsible for three of these eight articles. He has totalled five FAs, all relating to Kannada history. Three portals: Portal:Hinduism (nom), Portal:West Bengal (nom) and Portal:Kerala (nom) were also featured. There were two additional GAs, Murali Kartik and Bhagat Singh. Congratulations to all contributors who helped to develop the above content to represent the best of Misplaced Pages! Need some help? Are you stuck at a point where admin help is needed? There are 21 Indian Administrators in Misplaced Pages at the last count. If you need some help with anything related to WikiProject India, they are just a couple of clicks away! Complete To Do List India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard v • e • d • h • w Requests: Sibichen K Mathew, Dominic Emmanuel, AK Merchant, Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. 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Translate: Bhojpuri Misplaced Pages articles, Maithili Misplaced Pages articles, Telugu Misplaced Pages articles, Marathi Misplaced Pages articles, Hindi Misplaced Pages articles, Sanskrit Misplaced Pages articles, Tamil Misplaced Pages articles Kannada Misplaced Pages articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assessment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template v • e • d • h • w

Note from Editor's Desk Welcome to the March 2007 edition of our newsletter. Congratulations to one of our most reespected writers, bureaucrats and administrators, Nichalp, who is now entrusted with the oversight permission. In addition Riana has joined the administrative ranks after a successful RfA. On a sad note, Nobleeagle, who was responsible for the creation of the Punjab WikiProject, and was largely responsible for Indian cricket team, Bhagat Singh and Lage Raho Munna Bhai becoming GAs, as well as working heavily in Indian religious and cricket work, has left the project after having his identity revealed. More generally, certain Indian users have recently been subject to real life harassment by banned users, etc. If this is affecting you in real life, please do not hesitate to contact Wikimedia board members for assistance, or ask a senior Wikipedian to solicit help on your behalf if required. Nishkid64, a prolific contributor and administrator, is currently undergoing surgery to fix a congenital heart defect. You can wish him well here. Weekly Collaboration (Shortcut:WP:INCOTW): Collaboration of the Week has fallen from its once high feats. Please drop by and help rejuvenate it. As before, we'd like to stress, this is your newsletter, and we want you to be part of it as well. Provide us with news tips. It can be anything related to the project, from discussions to calls for help, and other interesting stuff within our community. Sponsored content for recruitments within your WikiProject sub-groups are also welcome, including requests for copyediting, photographic work, peer review, etc. We'll be very happy to include them here. This edition special Translation Department: Can you read and write any languages of India? Do you know multiple languages and are looking to keep your skills at a high level or improve them? If so, the Translation Depeartment may be for you! The translation department of the India WikiProject aims to utilize high-quality non-English material related to India for the goals of the project. This includes both translating articles from and to other-language Wikipedias as well as assisting contributors with non-English sources. The department aims to provide services in transliteration, formulating scripts for various languages, as well as translating articles from one language to another and validating sources in other languages to that of the encyclopedia article. If you are looking for a friendly translator here is your go-to point. Currently, we are still seeking representation for Kashmiri, Nepali, Oriya, Sindhi and Tulu, as well as reinforcements in all other languages. Signed... Edited by YellowMonkey and distributed by Lostintherush

G. S. Shivarudrappa

Did you know? was updated. On 30 March, 2007, a fact from the article G. S. Shivarudrappa, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 17:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Raja

I have indef-blocked Wiki Raja as a block evading sockpuppet of User:Indrancroos. I came to this decision taking a look at the evidence listed at the RfCU page and discussing the issue with User:Dmcdevit. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hindutva propganda

Smells of WP:UNDUE ... its aboot the time it is AfD'd... Amey Aryan DaBrood 18:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

it would help if you can come on Gtalk... Amey Aryan DaBrood 18:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sarathambal

Did you know? was updated. On 30 March, 2007, a fact from the article Sarathambal, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 23:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Axxn 07:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, about Indonesia.... the figures given by PHDI ia anyway inflated..... I visited their site.... Not a word in English.... So difficult to get any information..... Like Vietnam.... I have no idea how many hindus are there.............

Re:Dab

Hi - I've told user:WIN and now you to not make things personal and emotional. Even though his tone was threatening, Dab was not doing anything wrong when he warned you about the opening of an arbitration case. Dab has his behavior problems, but that is no excuse - if you honestly feel he is causing problems, then pursue proper dispute resolution yourself. The issue of Hindutva propaganda will be decided by the AfD debate consensus. Rama's arrow 16:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Shahbag

I have just put the article to peer review. Would you care to take a look? Aditya Kabir 20:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Two things

Firstly, Ragib has requested assistance in one of your favourite areas of writing here at the Hindu Noticeboard.

And secondly...

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		A Barnstar for the terrific effort you put into creating DYKs! Gizza 11:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

(Your "Awards" page was looking a little shallow :p)

Watch it

Your normal tendency to stretch the truth or make broad, sweeping statements based on no information whatever was on display again here. . I don't edit when logged out. That implies an inability to justify my edits, which I never display, unlike others. Hornplease 19:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

. ←Humus sapiens 23:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Summary of Devadasi arguments

Just as a disclaimer, I have to say that I know close to nothing about the caste structure in India, or really that much about Devadasis. I became involved because there was a whitewashed version being forced in by a Hkelkar sockpuppet awhile back. Furthermore, the two users have very difficult to understand arguments, but here goes:

• Mudaliar showed up one day and added a poorly structured rant about Kaikolars (apparently a caste) yielding devadasis. He originally sourced this with 'google searches' and used a lot of bold text. Now he is more organized but I still don't see his arguments as making sense. He cites a few sources that discuss some Kaikolars in South India giving girls to be devadasis by tradition. He also attaches this to the Chola empire, saying that they helped the Chola empire gain prominence. While it seems his sources are good, I cannot check them (obscured by registration) and have the feeling that he is gravely misinterpreting them. To get to the point, Mudaliar is taking sources discussing some devadasi traditions in parts of South India and purporting this to mean that Kaikolars are the 'source' of devadasis for all India. He further asserts that Kaikolars are the same as some other caste (Segunthar or Isai-Vellar, something like that). For one, I'm rather certain that devadasis don't all originate only with the Kaikolar, and his sources didn't seem to be supporting that, so I moved the information into a more specific section. I mean, if they exist all over India, it is implausible that they are 'made' in Kaikolar-land and then shipped all over the subcontinent!
• Venki123 seems to take particular offense to one of the caste 'equations' that Mudaliar makes, saying that he is misportraying one of those castes as the same as Kaikolar. He further asserts that Mudaliar is doing this to take the devadasi-shame off of one of the castes that Mudaliars are apparently part of. Specifically, he claims that Mudaliar is trying to "slander" the Segunthar caste. Sorry it is very vague; try taking a look at their rants and maybe you will understand better than I.

Anyway, all I have done so far is move those Kaikolar 'facts' to a specific section. I also called for an expansion to cover more Indian states because Mudaliar said his Kaikolar thing should be universal to the article if no other states are covered. I felt expansion was needed to prevent Mudaliar from carrying his 'universal' misinterpretation back to the more general level. Fortunately, Venki123 obliged and added info about other regions/groups. It isn't sourced correctly but at least it is there.

Please, try to figure out the deal there. The two are battling over this caste defamation issue across a number of pages and don't appear to stop anytime soon. I'll give Venki123 some credit for actually trying mediation, though he listed an absurd number of parties and so I don't think it will go through. As you know I asked someone on the ANI to review their edits and block them for awhile. It seems to be forgotten by the admins, but hopefully someone will get around to it. Then, you can move in and sort things out. Hopefully then won't sock the page during this time. But come on, of course they will. Anyway, I am sorry about the lack of clarity here but I'm really in over my head at this point. Thanks for taking up the challenge! The Behnam 01:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 3 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Indrajit Gupta, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 17:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

enlightenment

wikipedians define a troll, and everyone gets the enlightenment . --Bhadani (talk) 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought that you should also get some light. --Bhadani (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Another zealot has come to light, it seems, sigh - I am sure you do not sigh much like many others as excessive sighing is dangerous symptoms: ]. --Bhadani (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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