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== Main coon == | ||
| ] to be sure that whoever decided that the American Longhair is the same thing as a Maine Coon is either stupid or did heavy research on thousands of other sites on American Longhairs and Maine Coons. Is that person trying to confuse people or what? I remember about having a hard time telling the difference between Asian semi-longhairs and tiffanies and chantillies, and Bambinos and Minskins. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Easy to Train? == | |||
| The article cites an authority as saying they are "Intelligent" and "Easy to Train", but this has not been my experience at all. My experience has been that Maine Coons are very slow-witted compared to other cat breeds, losing interest in games or toys in half a minute or less. Even chasing a laser-pointer only holds their attention for a minute or so before they grow bored and wander off. It has also been my experience that they are extremely aloof and extremely obstinate to the point of repeating activities that directly result in physical injury and pain simply because you told them "no" when you saw them start to do it, and will ignore any and all rewards for positive behavior including food, making them impossible to train in any way. Could we have someone actually verify that this "authority" actually wrote this about Maine Coons? Because seriously, this has NOT been my experience with the breed AT ALL. ] (]) 13:09, 26 October 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Honestly, it sounds like you have had little experience with cats. Maine Coon's are extremely intelligent and easy to train as a rule in ''comparison'' to other breeds. I was just hanging around with one today, and in comparison to my cat, he was an Einstein. Have you considered that you might be a dog person? ] (]) 07:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::Is there any scientific source backing up that ''any'' cat breed is ''extremely intelligent''? - I don't think so. I agree that this sentence should be removed, is kind of "fa" talk, the supporters of a certain domestic breed of animals, that their owners perform, without any real confirmation., ] (]) 10:51, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Cats are not easy to train in general, as they do not want to bother. In other sites they seem to cite Maine Coons are easy to train to be well behaved and walk on a leash, which makes more sense than "easy to train" as in learning tricks. No cat is truly easy to train in that regard. But this does not mean there are no cat breeds that have a high intelligence, and I'm certain there are many researches around about cat intelligence that could be used as reference. ] (]) 21:27, 12 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Yes, they are easy to train! I have taught my male Maine Coon, Mitche, to sit on command! ] (]) 21:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| In 2006 the Guinness world records named a male pure bred Main coon the longest cat verismo leonetti reserve red better known as Leo measured 120 cm in length from the tip of his nose to the tip of his tail and weighed 16kg that record was broken in 2010 by another main coon a male pure bred named Stevie messering 123cm from nose to tail 😉 hope I helped ] (]) 07:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Declared extinct? == | |||
| : You didn't. | |||
| : You didn't give a link to a reference, which means someone else has to do that work to comply with ]. | |||
| : Over half the words in this post are misspelled or miscapitalized. They're Maine Coons, not "main coons"; it's the "Guinness World Records", not the "Guinness world records"; cats have ''measurements'', not "messerments". These are not all of your errors. This is a serious project and we need contributors to do their very best work if they're going to be good contributors. If you are dictating your contributions, it is your responsibility to proofread the dictation output; you cannot expect other editors to do this for you, especially if you do not provide a reference. Your contributions are welcome but you must take this much more seriously. Thanks. - ''']''' '']'' 15:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry 😞 I’m only 9 years old and I have not good spelling ] (]) 23:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Origin == | ||
| There are no links given here to support the claim that the breed was declared extinct at one point. I myself have found no reliable references to this, though the claim is commonly repeated on pages about Maine Coons. It is attributed to a specific organisation (the CFA - though of course it may not be the current CFA) it would be great if someone with access to the relevant organisation's archives could add the reference. | |||
| The sources we cite on the origins of Maine Coon's in North America are exceptionally poor quality. I wasn't able to find much better, excepting , which is at least by-lined (but is still basically a blog). ] (]) 16:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 20:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)armul | |||
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== Polydactyl info == | ||
| The part of the Health section on polydactyly is outdated/inaccurate. In fact, some of the references given (16, 20, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49) actually refute the claims. | |||
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| The Health section says that Polydactylism is “rarely seen in Maine Coons in the show ring since it is not allowed by competition standards.” This is outdated. Polydactyly has been present in the Maine Coon breed since it’s beginning (see references 20 and 49). The Maine Coon polydactyl trait has been historically accepted some organizations, and others have re-added it to the breed standard. More are working on getting it added. For example, TICA began accepting polydactyl Maine Coons in to full Championship status in 2015 (see reference 16). | |||
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| The Health section also says the polydactyl gene “has shown to pose a threat to the cat's health. The polydactylism are genetic problems which are not encouraged for breeding.” | |||
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| The type of polydactyly found in Maine Coons is isolated, and not known to be connected to any health issues or genetic problems. This is corroborated by references 45, 46, 47, 48, 49 in the article. ] (]) 18:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| :It says it's not common in the show ring, it doesn't mention how common it is in the breed. ] (]) 22:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Cheers.—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 17:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Photos on page - evidence these are Maine Coons? == | |||
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| I will not present myself as an expert on Maine Coons - I am a veterinarian working with dogs and cats and this breed of cat is fairly uncommon in the area I work. That said, I have worked with a few and they have a very distinctive look. | |||
| The "Diet" section reads more like tips on how to keep a Maine Coon as a pet than an encyclopedic summary of what this animal would self-select as food and perhaps how it would catch its prey. For example, "Maine Coons, like all domestic cats, are obligate carnivores who generally prey on small rodents, reptiles, and birds. When kept as pets they are typically fed an analog of this diet in the form of dry kibble or prepared, canned, "wet" food (usually processed animal meat and organs)." | |||
| The parts about how Main Coons shouldn't be fed from plastic bowls (and similar pet keeping advice) isn't relevant. | |||
| ] (]) 15:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I will also note that in my professional experience, many, many pet owners with rescued domestic long haired cats (DLHs - regular domestic cats with long hair) will identify their cats as Maine Coons or Maine Coon crosses when they are almost certainly just regular long haired cats. It is basically a shared joke among veterinarians, and we're always excited to see a real one. | |||
| Agreed, this entire section should be rewritten. Much of it makes no sense or is not evidence/research based at all. ] (]) 21:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| With that in mind - I am not sure all the cats on this page are Maine Coons. Specifically the main image as of writing - the facial structure seems... inconsistent with the verified Maine Coons I have seen in practice, and more consistent with a DLH (there is a gallery at the bottom of the page that shows good examples of facial structure, and a somewhat suspect red tabby and silver tabby). Are there any die-hard Maine Coon people (like, breeders or showers that have experience with verified MCs) that monitor this page? Are these photos within reasonable variation of the breed or are they just random DLHs that well intentioned (but wrong) pet owners have thrown up on Wikimedia? The ones I am most suspicious about are the main image (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:Maine_Coon_cat_by_Tomitheos.JPG) and (to a lesser extent) the red tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%82.jpg) and silver tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:MaineCoonSilverTabby.jpg) at the bottom. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise I think the main image should be changed. ] (]) 22:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Little more then a collection of cat pictures == | |||
| :Can't answer for the others, but the silver tabby is a purebred Maine Coon with breeders code MCO 64 18 (source: it's my cat). ] (]) 11:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Good Article Reassessment == | |||
| This article is ridiculous. It is little more then ton of cat pictures! <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:42, 11 June 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| :Certainly some could be removed under ]. ] (]) 15:10, 12 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
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Main coon
In 2006 the Guinness world records named a male pure bred Main coon the longest cat verismo leonetti reserve red better known as Leo measured 120 cm in length from the tip of his nose to the tip of his tail and weighed 16kg that record was broken in 2010 by another main coon a male pure bred named Stevie messering 123cm from nose to tail 😉 hope I helped Lillybootsy (talk) 07:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- You didn't.
- You didn't give a link to a reference, which means someone else has to do that work to comply with WP:V.
- Over half the words in this post are misspelled or miscapitalized. They're Maine Coons, not "main coons"; it's the "Guinness World Records", not the "Guinness world records"; cats have measurements, not "messerments". These are not all of your errors. This is a serious project and we need contributors to do their very best work if they're going to be good contributors. If you are dictating your contributions, it is your responsibility to proofread the dictation output; you cannot expect other editors to do this for you, especially if you do not provide a reference. Your contributions are welcome but you must take this much more seriously. Thanks. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 15:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry 😞 I’m only 9 years old and I have not good spelling Lillybootsy (talk) 23:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Origin
The sources we cite on the origins of Maine Coon's in North America are exceptionally poor quality. I wasn't able to find much better, excepting this one, which is at least by-lined (but is still basically a blog). Suriname0 (talk) 16:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Polydactyl info
The part of the Health section on polydactyly is outdated/inaccurate. In fact, some of the references given (16, 20, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49) actually refute the claims.
The Health section says that Polydactylism is “rarely seen in Maine Coons in the show ring since it is not allowed by competition standards.” This is outdated. Polydactyly has been present in the Maine Coon breed since it’s beginning (see references 20 and 49). The Maine Coon polydactyl trait has been historically accepted some organizations, and others have re-added it to the breed standard. More are working on getting it added. For example, TICA began accepting polydactyl Maine Coons in to full Championship status in 2015 (see reference 16).
The Health section also says the polydactyl gene “has shown to pose a threat to the cat's health. The polydactylism are genetic problems which are not encouraged for breeding.”
The type of polydactyly found in Maine Coons is isolated, and not known to be connected to any health issues or genetic problems. This is corroborated by references 45, 46, 47, 48, 49 in the article. ChicagoK9 (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- It says it's not common in the show ring, it doesn't mention how common it is in the breed. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Photos on page - evidence these are Maine Coons?
I will not present myself as an expert on Maine Coons - I am a veterinarian working with dogs and cats and this breed of cat is fairly uncommon in the area I work. That said, I have worked with a few and they have a very distinctive look.
I will also note that in my professional experience, many, many pet owners with rescued domestic long haired cats (DLHs - regular domestic cats with long hair) will identify their cats as Maine Coons or Maine Coon crosses when they are almost certainly just regular long haired cats. It is basically a shared joke among veterinarians, and we're always excited to see a real one.
With that in mind - I am not sure all the cats on this page are Maine Coons. Specifically the main image as of writing - the facial structure seems... inconsistent with the verified Maine Coons I have seen in practice, and more consistent with a DLH (there is a gallery at the bottom of the page that shows good examples of facial structure, and a somewhat suspect red tabby and silver tabby). Are there any die-hard Maine Coon people (like, breeders or showers that have experience with verified MCs) that monitor this page? Are these photos within reasonable variation of the breed or are they just random DLHs that well intentioned (but wrong) pet owners have thrown up on Wikimedia? The ones I am most suspicious about are the main image (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:Maine_Coon_cat_by_Tomitheos.JPG) and (to a lesser extent) the red tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%82.jpg) and silver tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:MaineCoonSilverTabby.jpg) at the bottom. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise I think the main image should be changed. Connor Long (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can't answer for the others, but the silver tabby is a purebred Maine Coon with breeders code MCO 64 18 (source: it's my cat). Barry Wom (talk) 11:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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