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==Date of Janmashtami ?== | ==Date of Janmashtami ?== | ||
When is Janmashtami ? Can someone confirm the date, please ? says ], but says ]. I am quite confused. -- ] 20:16, 2005 August 24 (UTC) | ? Can someone confirm the date, please ? says ], but says ]. I am quite confused. -- ] 20:16, 2005 August 24 (UTC) | ||
:According to , a Vaishnava calendar service by ], the date in 2005 is 26 August.--] <sup><i>] • ]</i></sup> 12:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC) | :According to , a Vaishnava calendar service by ], the date in 2005 is 26 August.--] <sup><i>] • ]</i></sup> 12:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC) | ||
Today is 30 August and today is Janmashtami so I guess it changes...? ] (]) 08:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Do not move the page to that entitled just "Janmashtami" - - Krishna Janmashtami or Krishnaashtami are more correct terms, obviously; Janmashtami as referring to the birth of Krishna is a colloquialism that assumes that no other great person was ever born on an "Ashtami". In any case, the redirect from the "Janmashtami" page will ensure proper referencing from other pages -Anon | Do not move the page to that entitled just "Janmashtami" - - Krishna Janmashtami or Krishnaashtami are more correct terms, obviously; Janmashtami as referring to the birth of Krishna is a colloquialism that assumes that no other great person was ever born on an "Ashtami". In any case, the redirect from the "Janmashtami" page will ensure proper referencing from other pages -Anon | ||
:You have a point, I've undone your copy-paste edits and redirected to Krishna Janmaashtami to maintain the history. ] ] 05:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC) | :You have a point, I've undone your copy-paste edits and redirected to Krishna Janmaashtami to maintain the history. ] ] 05:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC) | ||
== Sree Jayanti== | |||
Ambarish, I would like to know in which part of India it is called ''Sree Jayanti''. I know that in Kerala, it is called ''Sreekrishna Jayanti'' or ''Ashtami rohini''. From what I could find out in Chennai, it is called ''Sreekrishna Jayanti'' or plain ''Krishna Jayanti''. ] 07:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
: Google is not a very reliable source for this, but still ''Sree Jayanti'' gets hits in 19 sites , one is irrelevant and the other 18 are copies of the Wiki article. | |||
''sree krishna jayanti'' gets 13 hits including and . ''Sri Krishna Jayanti'' has 628 and ''sri krishna jayanthi'' has . | |||
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Am changing Sree Jayanthi. ] 08:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
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: Anyway, followers of Ramanuja's Sree Vaishnava sampradayam (known in Tamil as ]s) refer to this festival as "Sree Jayanti". Below are some links. I've re-added "Sree Jayanti" to the articles. Thanks for the clarification regarding "Sree Krishna Jayanti". | |||
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Hi everybody! | |||
: ] 18:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
I propose deleting a few images off of this page. | |||
== Janmashtami Hindu date is Confusion == | |||
# There are already two images of a toddler dressed up as Krishna. One of them can be deleted. | |||
Janmashtami is celebrated in month of Bhādrapada. There are two hindu calanders seperated by 15 days. In south and Maharastra it is Shraawan but in North and Krishna's birthplace it is Bhādrapada. This conflicts in dates will occur for every dates in hindu calendar which are overlapped in Southern and Nothern calander. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
# The "statue of Krishna being carried across the river" and "traditional festive food..." image look very out of place in the article. Perhaps we can remove them all together or rearrange it to make it align with the part of the text that mentions it? | |||
Please give your thoughts on this. ] (]) 01:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Actually even in those regions there are many who follow the calendars with dates indicating that Krishna Janmashtami comes in the month of Shravana. There are multiple Hindu and Vaishnava calendars used throughout India, not just two with one for the North and one for the South. Traditionally in several of these calendars the date falls on Shravana. The article has been updated to reflect the traditional and common date.--] <sup><i>] • ]</i></sup> 12:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Hi @], | |||
This article will be excluded from ] this year because of the two maintenance tags on it, unless the issues are resolved by then. There are 20 days to go, so hopefully this will give editors enough time to fix this. Thanks! <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">''']''' <small>{]}</small></span> 18:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
Hello Hai <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
I saw you've made some solid edits to the article and was wondering if you would be open to collaborating further to improve it. Currently, I think there is a lot of room to improve the writing in the article. Additionally, we could adjust the current sections/create new sections that would help encyclopedia readers learn more about Krishna Janmashtami. Let know if you have any ideas /are open to collaborating here! ] (]) 17:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
== 2014 Date == | |||
:Howdy @]! | |||
The Krishna Janmashtami date given for 2014 is incorrect. A reference to the Indian government calendar has been given which lists the date as Monday, 18 August. However this is the Gazetted Holiday date (the national public holiday date) and not the actual date as per religious custom and spiritual tradition which is Sunday, 17 August. The gazetted date is probably moved to Monday because the actual date falls on a Sunday and hence there would have been no government holiday on the actual date. I have left the reference and the 18 August date but I have indicated that this is the Gazetted Holiday date, but I have correctly indicated the actual date as 17 August. This date has been verified by multiple Vaishnava calendars (including ] GCAL, Pure Bhakti, etc.) and Hindu panchanga calendars (including Drik Panchang) as well as various non-religious websites that list religious holidays (including TimeAndDate.com and CalendarLabs.com) all of which give the 17 August date for Krishna Janmashtami. While it is useful to have the Indian government date as a neutral source, that date really only applies to Indian government officials and workers. ] and ] who want the actual date of celebration will be looking for the 17 August date. Hence I have left the existing government date but also included the actual religious holiday date.--] <sup><i>] • ]</i></sup> 11:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:First off, thank you for your contributions to the Krishna Janmashtami article. I've taken notice of your edits and contemplated on reaching out to you for your help on improving this article. Looks like you beat me to it! | |||
:I'm the one who added the government reference and I welcome your changes. I remember reverting an IP who changed it, now I see their reasoning. I came across this page only recently, did a cleanup and watched it despite having ''barely any'' background knowledge on the topic at hand. Please consider watching and monitoring its changes too. If you can improve it further, please do. I'm willing to help in anyway. Sincerely, ] (]) 12:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Here are a few ideas I have had on my mind: | |||
:# Per ], I'm unsure if there is a concise or clear way to rewrite this paragraph without taking away the importance of how the festival correlates with the Hindu calender --> ''"Krishna's birth is celebrated and observed on the eighth day (]) of the dark fortnight ]) in ] ] (according to the ] tradition) or ] ] (according to the ] tradition). This overlaps with August or September of the ]."'' | |||
:# Also, I've noticed that you've contributed to several temple articles. Perhaps you can add more content in relation to the specific rituals or celebrations that are associated with these temples and/or the sects that they are affiliated with? | |||
:# The history of ''how long'' or ''how far back'' celebrations have taken place or when they were first penned down can be added. | |||
:Of course, these are just my ideas based off what I see in other festival articles. Let me know what you think, and also if you have any ideas for me. ] (]) 04:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Hi @], | |||
::Perfect! | |||
::# I agree that it may be difficult to correct those sentences without removing the Hindu calendar dates. Since this article is focused on the birth and celebration of Krishna, the information about his birth should be kept. I referred to the Wikpedia article on ] to form a basis on what would be appropriate - it may be helpful if you check it out as well. | |||
::# I think that is a good idea - I can look into that | |||
::# Will take a look as well | |||
::Additionally, if you could go through some of the subsections in the celebration section to verify sources (many sentences arent sourced as well) / copy edit for ease of reading .. that would be helpful! I will be doing the same. ] (]) 14:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
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:::Alrighty, will do! ] (]) 02:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::Hi @], | |||
::::I saw you the sentences about Balaram in the history section. I feel that it has relevance to the story of Krishna's birth and should be kept. ] (]) 15:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Hey @], | |||
:::::The reason why I removed such information was that I felt that it was unrelated to the birth of Krishna. I'm open to hear your reasons as to why you disagree though! ] (]) 02:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::Hi @], | |||
::::::I was doing some reading and came across: Krishna in History, Thought, and Culture: An Encyclopedia of the Hindu Lord of Many Names and within it, it says, "''Balarama was a constant companion of Krishna in all the events of his life that took place in Vraja, Brindavan, and Dvarka. During their childhood in Vraja, Balarama was always with Krishna: they stole butter, chased calves, or played in the cow pens. During their young adult life in Mathura, Balarama and Krishna participated in numerous significant events together: a wrestling match in Mathura, education with the sage Sandipani, battles with Jarasandha and Kalayavana."'' | |||
::::::I think that because Balarama has been closely associated with Krishna since birth and many of the ways that individuals celebrate Janmashtami worldwide is to replicate incidents that Balarama and Krishna were both involved in, its appropriate to have a sentence or two on him. ] (]) 15:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::@] | |||
:::::::I had a look at the ] article to get a general idea from there and I did see Balarama mentioned a few times. Perhaps, there is a better way to rephrase the sentence? Maybe explicitly mention that they are in constant companionship? If I were a new reader and looked at this article, I would probably not understand the significance behind that sentence. It looks random. ] (]) 16:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Hi @], | |||
::::::::How is this: "Throughout Krishna's childhood and young adult life, Balarama, Krishna's half-brother, was a "constant companion" for him. Balarama joined Krishna in the major events that are celebrated in Vraja, Brindavan, Dravarka, and Mathura such as stealing butter, chasing calves, playing in the cow pens, and participating in wrestling matches.", with reference to the source above. ] (]) 13:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
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:::::::::Looks fine and dandy to me! ] (]) 23:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Date of Janmashtami ?
When is Janmashtami ? Can someone confirm the date, please ? theholidayspot.com says August 26, but 123greetings.com says August 27. I am quite confused. -- PFHLai 20:16, 2005 August 24 (UTC)
- According to Gaurabda Calendar, a Vaishnava calendar service by ISKCON, the date in 2005 is 26 August.--Shruti14 12:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Today is 30 August and today is Janmashtami so I guess it changes...? WikiSilky (talk) 08:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Article Title
Nichalp,
Do not move the page to that entitled just "Janmashtami" - - Krishna Janmashtami or Krishnaashtami are more correct terms, obviously; Janmashtami as referring to the birth of Krishna is a colloquialism that assumes that no other great person was ever born on an "Ashtami". In any case, the redirect from the "Janmashtami" page will ensure proper referencing from other pages -Anon
- You have a point, I've undone your copy-paste edits and redirected to Krishna Janmaashtami to maintain the history. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
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Deleting images
Hi everybody!
I propose deleting a few images off of this page.
- There are already two images of a toddler dressed up as Krishna. One of them can be deleted.
- The "statue of Krishna being carried across the river" and "traditional festive food..." image look very out of place in the article. Perhaps we can remove them all together or rearrange it to make it align with the part of the text that mentions it?
Please give your thoughts on this. Chilicave (talk) 01:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Improving the article
Hi @Chilicave,
I saw you've made some solid edits to the article and was wondering if you would be open to collaborating further to improve it. Currently, I think there is a lot of room to improve the writing in the article. Additionally, we could adjust the current sections/create new sections that would help encyclopedia readers learn more about Krishna Janmashtami. Let know if you have any ideas /are open to collaborating here! RealPharmer3 (talk) 17:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
- Howdy @RealPharmer3!
- First off, thank you for your contributions to the Krishna Janmashtami article. I've taken notice of your edits and contemplated on reaching out to you for your help on improving this article. Looks like you beat me to it!
- Here are a few ideas I have had on my mind:
- Per MOS:LEAD, I'm unsure if there is a concise or clear way to rewrite this paragraph without taking away the importance of how the festival correlates with the Hindu calender --> "Krishna's birth is celebrated and observed on the eighth day (Ashtami) of the dark fortnight (Krishna Paksha) in Shravana Masa (according to the amanta tradition) or Bhadrapada Masa (according to the purnimanta tradition). This overlaps with August or September of the Gregorian calendar."
- Also, I've noticed that you've contributed to several temple articles. Perhaps you can add more content in relation to the specific rituals or celebrations that are associated with these temples and/or the sects that they are affiliated with?
- The history of how long or how far back celebrations have taken place or when they were first penned down can be added.
- Of course, these are just my ideas based off what I see in other festival articles. Let me know what you think, and also if you have any ideas for me. Chilicave (talk) 04:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Chilicave,
- Perfect!
- I agree that it may be difficult to correct those sentences without removing the Hindu calendar dates. Since this article is focused on the birth and celebration of Krishna, the information about his birth should be kept. I referred to the Wikpedia article on Christmas, to form a basis on what would be appropriate - it may be helpful if you check it out as well.
- I think that is a good idea - I can look into that
- Will take a look as well
- Additionally, if you could go through some of the subsections in the celebration section to verify sources (many sentences arent sourced as well) / copy edit for ease of reading .. that would be helpful! I will be doing the same. RealPharmer3 (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @RealPharmer3
- Alrighty, will do! Chilicave (talk) 02:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Chilicave,
- I saw you removed the sentences about Balaram in the history section. I feel that it has relevance to the story of Krishna's birth and should be kept. RealPharmer3 (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hey @RealPharmer3,
- The reason why I removed such information was that I felt that it was unrelated to the birth of Krishna. I'm open to hear your reasons as to why you disagree though! Chilicave (talk) 02:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Chilicave,
- I was doing some reading and came across: Krishna in History, Thought, and Culture: An Encyclopedia of the Hindu Lord of Many Names and within it, it says, "Balarama was a constant companion of Krishna in all the events of his life that took place in Vraja, Brindavan, and Dvarka. During their childhood in Vraja, Balarama was always with Krishna: they stole butter, chased calves, or played in the cow pens. During their young adult life in Mathura, Balarama and Krishna participated in numerous significant events together: a wrestling match in Mathura, education with the sage Sandipani, battles with Jarasandha and Kalayavana."
- I think that because Balarama has been closely associated with Krishna since birth and many of the ways that individuals celebrate Janmashtami worldwide is to replicate incidents that Balarama and Krishna were both involved in, its appropriate to have a sentence or two on him. RealPharmer3 (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @RealPharmer3
- I had a look at the Krishna article to get a general idea from there and I did see Balarama mentioned a few times. Perhaps, there is a better way to rephrase the sentence? Maybe explicitly mention that they are in constant companionship? If I were a new reader and looked at this article, I would probably not understand the significance behind that sentence. It looks random. Chilicave (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Chilicave,
- How is this: "Throughout Krishna's childhood and young adult life, Balarama, Krishna's half-brother, was a "constant companion" for him. Balarama joined Krishna in the major events that are celebrated in Vraja, Brindavan, Dravarka, and Mathura such as stealing butter, chasing calves, playing in the cow pens, and participating in wrestling matches.", with reference to the source above. RealPharmer3 (talk) 13:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- @RealPharmer3
- Looks fine and dandy to me! Chilicave (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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