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			::{{lc\|Christianity in Kurdistan}}
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			::{{lc\|Jews and Judaism in Kurdistan}}
			{{{3\|As per ] and ] there really is no reason for this category.

			] is a controversial and ill-defined region (no defined borders). It neither has formal/] recognition (it isn't recognized as a country) nor has informal/] recognition (it doesnt claim to be a country).

			Category currently has a handful articles with confusing inclusion criteria.
			* Christianity in Kurdistan - Has one article (related to Kurdish people)
			* Islam in Kurdistan - Has one article and one subcat (related to Kurdish people)
			* Jews and Judaism in Kurdistan - Has 12 articles and a subcat (related to Kurdish people)
			** Confusing: living people, structures, and historic figures as far back as 55 CE are categorized together.

			If necessary a list can be created and included under the main ].

			The category should either be '''merged''' to something like "]" (whatever the consistent convention is) or should be '''deleted''' all together.

			--<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 16:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)}}}

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Category:Religion in Kurdistan

As per WP:CFD#Category:Airlines of Kurdistan and WP:CFD#Category:Sport in Kurdistan there really is no reason for this category.

Kurdistan is a controversial and ill-defined region (no defined borders). It neither has formal/dejure recognition (it isn't recognized as a country) nor has informal/defacto recognition (it doesnt claim to be a country).

Category currently has a handful articles with confusing inclusion criteria.

Christianity in Kurdistan - Has one article (related to Kurdish people)
Islam in Kurdistan - Has one article and one subcat (related to Kurdish people)
Jews and Judaism in Kurdistan - Has 12 articles and a subcat (related to Kurdish people)
- Confusing: living people, structures, and historic figures as far back as 55 CE are categorized together.

If necessary a list can be created and included under the main Category:Kurdistan.

The category should either be merged to something like "Category:Kurdish people and religion" (whatever the consistent convention is) or should be deleted all together.

-- Cat 16:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Eponymous television series

Delete - arbitrary standard for inclusion. The shows have nothing in common other than being named after someone who's in them. Otto4711 17:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:XTC

Delete - another eponymous band category without the requisite volume of material needed to justify it. The albums and songs subcats are in the "...by artist" category trees and the two articles are interlinked. Otto4711 17:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:X Marks the Pedwalk

Delete - category housed the band's article plus articles for its songs and albums. I created Category:X Marks the Pedwalk albums and Category:X Marks the Pedwalk songs, populated them and located them under the appropriate "...by artist" category trees. All albums and songs are extensively interlinked through the main article and each other. No need for this category. Otto4711 17:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Duff family

Delete - two entries, unlikely to get any larger, articles are interlinked. No need for the category. Otto4711 16:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete not likely to grow in the foreseeable future, not needed for navigation. --rimshots 17:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete per Rimshots and Otto. Pascal.Tesson 17:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wrestling families

Delete all - As with a number of recent eponymous family category deletions, the members of these categories are better served by being interlinked through the various articles for various category members. In most cases there is very little material in the categories (2-4 members and in one instance a single entry). There is an additional issue with these categories in that a number of them are for people who are not actually related to each other; unsure, given the nature of professional wrestling, whether that's an argument against the categories. A number of the families already have articles about them which can be housed in Category:Professional wrestling families which is not up for deletion. Note that several of the categories currently have decent starts for articles in them (one is actually an article, not a category) and I encourage interested parties to transplant that information to article space. Otto4711 16:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Circus families

Delete both - as with the various recently completed CFDs for sports broadcasters, hockey players and baseball players, there is no need for these categories. The articles on the family members are interlinked and there is insufficient material to warrant the eponymous family categories. Should articles on the families be written they can be housed at Category:Circus families which is not nominated. Otto4711 16:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Universities and colleges in the European Union

This category was originally deleted after a March 26 debate. DRV overturned, with the consent of original closer, given new arguments raised at the DRV. Please review the DRV before commenting here. Procedural relisting, so I abstain. Xoloz 15:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep For the benefit of those who haven't looked at the deletion review, here's a quick summary of my thoughts on the original CfD discussion. I believe that a lot of reasons given for deletion were flat-out incorrect and that the arguments made in favor of keeping the category were never adressed. We have a category Category:Education in the European Union and it seems particularly relevant to have the university cat as a subcategory here since the sole involvement of the EU in education is in higher education. Through the Bologna process, the EU has pushed for increased uniformity among EU universities, leading to significant changes in many curriculums. The EU also provides significant research funding for universities and programs such as ERASMUS and SOCRATES. All these issues affect solely universities in the EU which I believe makes the category meaningful for browsing. The nominator's rationale in the first CfD was that The EU is just a regional body, and it does not run the university and college systems of its member states. This, of course, is entirely true yet of little relevance. Canada, the United States and many other federal countries do not run their universities, yet grouping the provincial or state categories makes perfect sense because of the common issues run at a federal level that affect the individual universities. A number of deletion supporters argued that the existence of this category is part of a Europhile conspiracy to overstate the role of the EU . The debate here should not be about the EU's importance in education but on whether this category can prove to be useful for organization and browsing. I should add that the category doesn't create any category clutter since it is solely a supercat for invidual country categories. Pascal.Tesson 16:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Friends TV show (1994)

Delete, duplicate of Category:Friends. -- Prove It 15:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge the lone member to Category:Friends. --rimshots 17:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Merge unnecessary subcat. Pascal.Tesson 17:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Scarface music

Delete - "Music by film" strikes me as a poor categorization scheme. The various articles are already appropriately categorized elsewhere. Otto4711 15:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:College Towns in Ohio

Merge into Category:University towns in the United States, Rename to Category:University towns in Ohio, or Rename to Category:College towns in Ohio. -- Prove It 15:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

My preference is Rename to Category:University towns in Ohio (or, second option, to Category:College towns in Ohio). But I don't think merging is such a great idea as the parent category is becoming large enough to warrant the finer by-state categories. Pascal.Tesson 17:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Elvis Presley films

Delete - per strong consensus and precedent against categorizing films by actors. Otto4711 15:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete, We already decided against Films by actor. -- Prove It 15:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Weak keep although I most certainly believe that categorizing films by actors is a bad idea, I believe this might be a reasonable exception. In many ways, Elvis films are almost a genre in themselves. Pascal.Tesson 17:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Bruce Lee films

Delete - per strong consensus and precedent against categorizing films by actors. Otto4711 15:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete, We already decided against Films by actor. -- Prove It 15:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Malice Mizer singles

Rename to Category:Malice Mizer songs, convention of Category:Songs by artist, and discussion of June 9th -- Prove It 14:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Peel Sessions artists

Listify and Delete - nominated once previously, closed with no consensus. In reviewing the arguments it appears that the delete contingent had the better argument. Yes, this is a very important guest appearance, but it is still a guest appearance and there is strong consensus against categorizing people by their guest appearances. We have deleted innumerable categories for film and television casts on this basis and there does not appear to be any justification for making an exception for the Peel Sessions. A list article would allow much greater flexibility in organization, allowing for articles arranged chronologically for example to assist interested parties in tracking trends in music through Peel's selection of guests. Or they could be arranged by genre, or cross-referenced by any number of factors that are much more useful than a simple alphabetical listing. Otto4711 14:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Brassaville albums

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category or categories above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Speedy delete, CSD G7, author request. -- Prove It 14:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete, Created category in error, spelling error. Meant to be "Brazzaville albums", which I have since created.Ataricodfish 14:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete per creator's request. Otto4711 14:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page, if any, or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:"Weird Al" Yankovic

Delete - another eponymous category in which the main article and navtemplate serve as better navigational hubs. The subcats are all appropriately set in their respective "...by artist" trees and the articles are extensively interlinked. Otto4711 14:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Hitomi Yaida

Delete - as with many other eponymous categories, there is insufficient material to warrant it. The subcats are appropriately housed in their respective "...by artist" category structures and the articles in the category are appropriately interlinked with each other. No need for the category for navigational purposes. Otto4711 13:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Videos banned from MTV

Listify and delete - The categorization is relatively trivial and adds a bit of clutter to the songs so categorized, but the larger problem is that the word "banned" is not accurate. The category seeks to capture any video which had any play restrictions placed on it by MTV, from time restrictions to outright refusal to air. For instance, the video for Cher's If I Could Turn Back Time was not banned; it was restricted to rotation after 9:00 PM. A category is ill-equipped to capture those subtleties while a list article would allow for fuller explanations and attribution. Otto4711 13:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete - could be regarded as a case of WP:OC#Subjective_inclusion_criterion, since, as the nominator says, the word "banned" is being used as a blanket term for numerous different situations. Walton 14:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:United States DVD releases

Delete - seeks to capture home video releases by year in the US, which is US-centric. The category itself is redundant to the Category:Years in home video category structure. No need for this category. Otto4711 13:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete Despite the cat's intro line, I have no idea what purpose this is supposed to serve. Will just create category clutter as far as I can see. Pascal.Tesson 17:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Yanni

Delete - nothing in the category but subcats for albums and videos which are already better categorized as part of their respective "...by artist" category trees. No need for this category. Otto4711 13:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete per WP:OC#Small_with_no_potential_for_growth. Walton 14:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Yes (band)

Delete - another eponymous category for which the main article and navtemplate serve as a better navigational hub. There is insufficient material to warrant the category and all the material is easily interlinked. Otto4711 13:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Tata Young

Propose renaming Category:Tata Young to Category:Tata Young albums

Nominator's Rationale: Rename - all of the articles are for albums, so the category should be renamed to reflect that and placed in the appropriate Albums by artist category tree. Otto4711 13:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:The Yardbirds

Delete - there is insufficient material to warrant an eponymous category. Otto4711 13:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete per WP:OC#Small_with_no_potential_for_growth. Clearly not likely to grow into a larger category, and the subcats handle all necessary categorisation. Walton 14:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Will Young

Delete - as with many other eponymous categories, this one is unnecessary for navigation. Eponymous categories should be reserved for those which contain large amounts of material which can not be easily interlinked, which is not the case here. The main article, including the navtemplate, serve as a better navigational hub. Otto4711 13:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Video game music composers

Propose renaming Category:Video game music composers to Category:Video game composers

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Saying "music" is redundant. None of the other categories phrase it this way either. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose rename - The word "music" is needed for clarity. Otherwise, it is unclear as to what the people are composing. The suggested name implies that the people may write the video game software. Dr. Submillimeter 11:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose rename - "Music composer" specifies the exact context, as opposed to someone who composes video games. --Scottie_theNerd 12:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose rename - As per the above discussion, "video game composer" has the capacity to imply many different occupations. Since this category is specifically regarding video game music composers (and not just people who compose things related to video games), the "music" moniker should remain. Ex-Nintendo Employee 13:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Highlander people

This category contains only three people, the directors and producers of this series. Per previous decisions, we shouldn't be categorizing producers and directors by their creations. The category should be deleted. Samuel Wantman 06:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

delete per nom and extensive precedent. Otto4711 12:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Villages in Hiroshima Prefecture

Empty cat. All villages in the prefecture have been dissolved recently. There is a new Category:Dissolved municipalities of Hiroshima Prefecture that has already been created to hold all dissolved villages, towns, and cities. Neier 06:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete per my nom. Neier 06:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Knot types

Delete. It is unclear how this differs from the parent category, Category:Knots. Knot type categories such as Category:Bend knots and Category:Hitch knots are currently subcategories of knots, not of knot types. If knot types were separated out, not much would be left. — Gwalla

Delete - redundant. Walton 14:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Upmerge (just in case there are articles solely categorized as knot types) Pascal.Tesson 16:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)