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	==Elements==
	Anyone object to a section being added about recurring elements. Some other series have like recurring jokes and etc. Just would be a good place to mention (and link to article) for christmukkah, among other recurring elements for the show. ] (]) 13:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
	:I think it would depend on what exactly these recurring elements are. Each element should be individually notable and we should avoid a ]. On a related note, ] already has it's own article. ] ] 11:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

	== Plot tag ==

	Boldly removed plot tag. Please comment on what you see as a problem. It seems reasonable to me. ] (]) 21:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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	==Gregory House and O.C.==
	''The following TV characters have revealed themselves to be fans of The O.C.:
	* Dr. Gregory House (House)''
	Where did G. House said, that he is a fan of O.C.??
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	==Revamp==
	Okay I'm going to try and revamp this. It will take some time and sections will need to be remove completely redone. Here is my outline of what sections I think should eventually exist:

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	::Concept {{done-t}} (largely) 23:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
	::Filming locations {{done-t}} (largely) 21:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
	::Music {{done-t}} (largely) 23:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 19:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
	:Series overview

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	:Cast and characters

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	:Distribution (i.e. First-run TV, syndication, DVDs) {{question}}
	::Worked into the following sections
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	::Might need a syndication section? ] ] 15:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
	:Impact
	::Ratings {{done-t}} (largely) 00:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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	Feel free to help. My initial concerns are the popular culture section is far to large, and the characters section needs a lot of work. ] ] 23:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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	== Removing section ==

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 16:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
	I am removing the following section as I feel it is ]:
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	=== "Save the O.C." webpage ===
	Towards the end of 2006, Fox inserted a webpage on their website entitled ''Save The O.C.'', asking people to sign an ''O.C.'' loyalty ].<ref name="Save"/> It was stated on the webpage that "not enough people out there have come back to ] this season". On the webpage, fans were able to send the oath to a friend, sign up for the ''O.C.'' ], and they were also asked to send an email to ''lovetheoc@gmail.com'' explaining why they loved the show. According to the webpage, "a very important and powerful person" would be reading the emails. The oath reads as follows: {{quote box\|quote=I PROMISE to cancel dinner dates, skip night school classes, trade shifts with a co-worker, walk the dog after dinner and do whatever else is necessary to ensure that I am on my couch each and every Thursday night at 9pm. And when I am on that couch at that time, I will do nothing but watch ''The O.C.'' I vow to do this every week to show my support for Ryan, Seth, Summer, Sandy, Kirsten, Julie and all of those new people that I love. With my humble effort each week, I will help build a groundswell of support for one of the best shows on television, ''The O.C.'' With this virtual signature, I THEE WATCH.\|source=]'s "Save The O.C. webpage"<ref name="Save">{{cite web\|title=Save The OC\|url=http://www.fox.com/oc/savetheoc\|publisher=Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation\|accessdate=January 4, 2007\|format={{Dead link\|date=April 2009}}}}</ref><ref>{{cite web\|url=http://www.esselnewsletter.com/Details.aspx?ArticleId=374&ArticleType=1\|title=The countdown for OC IV begins\|last=Talpade\|first=Anuj\|date=February 11, 2008\|publisher=]\|accessdate=October 1, 2009}}</ref>}} Although the oath had a humorous tone to it, few of the fans were laughing after the show was actually canceled. At the time of the cancellation, the webpage had received tens of thousands of signatures on a daily basis. Soon after the cancellation though, the number of daily signatures steadily began to decline, eventually leveling off at between roughly 1,500 and 5,500 per day. Slight increases in daily signatures were noticeable around the airing of each week's episode. This trend was broken on the air date of the final episode, when more than 18,000 signatures were brought in. Fox closed the SaveTheOC webpage on July 11, 2007; it had a total of 740,000 signatures just before closure.
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	The .../savetheoc website is long dead and archive.org exists but without visible content. The quote can be referenced by but I still think it is unnecessary. As such I am removing this section and will just tweak the sentence in "Cancellation" to refer to the petition and signatures as mentioned below. ] ] 12:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

	== ~~Series~~ ~~Overview~~ ~~section?~~ ==		== External links modified ==

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	I am questioning the necessity of the newly added Series Overview section in the article. I initially tried to clean up the submission as there was a lot of commentary and other issues with it, but after doing so I question if it should even really be there. While certainly concise enough per ], it is still rather scattered in reading due to being incomplete with highlights. It also seems rather repetitive with regards to the relationships - and while they are indeed that way in the show itself - it reads rather circular. I am thinking maybe a rewrite without the seasonal blow-by-blow to just illustrate the larger overall plotlines and the issues that the characters dealt with from more of a birds-eye view. Thoughts? ] (]) 17:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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	I am questioning the necessity of featuring "prominent guest stars" under the cast section. I was going to remove it but I thought I'd bring it up for discussion here on the talk page. In my reasoning for wanting to remove the prominent guest stars section, I'm questioning what exactly makes a guest star prominent? Is it that they are a recurring guest star? And even so, recurring characters/guest stars should not be included on the main page and should just be on the "]" page. Also, seeing as how there are no exact guidelines as to how a guest star is "prominent", certain guest stars may be excluded from that list when that are in fact prominent enough to make that list, or a guest star may be added to that list when they are '''not''' prominent enough to make that list. The '']'' page had a similar section with prominent recurring characters but was also found unnecessary and undue, so it was removed. ] (]) 01:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
	:I would actually go so far as to say a page dedicated simply to the list of guest stars - prominent or not - is over-cooking it a bit. Can't say that even prominent guest stars are significant enough to warrant their own page, and as such - recurring characters which do serve an impact in the overall storyline should be left on the main article page so as not to clutter up WP with articles lacking significance on their own. ] (]) 05:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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	== Mention it? ==

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 23:28, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
	Why isn´t the American Dream mentioned in the article? Doesn´t Ryan live it to the fullest through the help of his family.
	Maybe we have to add this.
	What do you think?
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	== Cast and characters in-universe problems ==

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	The "Cast and Characters" section of the articles is very in-universe, describing the characters as if they were real people living real lives. I am honestly not sure how to improve it so I am just creating this section if anyone wants to contribute suggestions for how we can make that section less in-universe. I think one way we can do that is include the actors' commentary on their characters. ] (]) 16:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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	:: Most of the content was actually already in the article, I was just trying to clean it up. I actually based it off the http://en.wikipedia.org/Arrested_Development_%28TV_series%29#Themes_and_other_characteristics section. We could probably lose the section on "Cultural References" (because that isn't very unique to the series, though I might keep some mention of the literature habits of the characters, as I cited that some critics have called it a unique aspect of the series). I feel like "The Valley" and "Chrismukkah" -- even though I know it has it's own page -- (and Music should, of course, stay) should be identified in the article because they function as unique aspects and recurring themes to solely this series. ] (]) 00:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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	::: I also think the 'Dear Sister' paragraph needs to be added back in as it's the biggest spotlight the series has had in popular culture since the series went off the air. ] (]) 00:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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	== Characters ==

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	I think it would be interesting to also add more about the character relationships especially about the constant struggle that Ryan, Marissa, Seth, and Summer always find themselves in so that they can all be together. Also another really interesting aspect about the show is the amount of repetition that takes place. Maybe that would fit somewhere. ] (]) 18:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
	:That doesn't really belong in the Cast and Characters subject because then it would be too "in-universe." In this section we actually try to provide more information about casting and how the actors portrayed the characters rather than what went on the fictional lives of the characters themselves. ] (]) 19:40, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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