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		⚫	== External links modified ==

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	heres a group:
	http://www.gotquestions.org/Harold-Camping-family-radio.html--] 01:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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	The Amazon review by Jeffrey N. Furtaw has nothing to do with Harold Camping, but wit the book
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	== Surgery ==
	Harold camping went into surgery for an undisclosed illness around May 23, 2008.
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	== "Teachings & Beliefs" section ==
	It seems to me that the "Teachings & Beliefs" section should cite literature by or about Camping, not the Bible itself, since many Christians and Jews would disagree with his interpretation of those verses. should help. ] (]) 01:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Agreed, removed statements that sourced only the Bible, retained one statement that sourced Family Radio website. ] (]) 00:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
	::There is a new article by Sollog criticising Camping for his many translation errors and his date for the end of the universe. I added it to "Further Reading" but perhaps it should be put in the "Teachings & Beliefs" section instead.] (]) 03:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 03:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
	7 May 2008
	As a suggestion, perhaps material and links providing "review, opinion and critique" of published works should not be included in the "teachings and beliefs" of this encyclopedic/biographical site. By definiton, this site is intended to be an encylopedic/biographical site of a contemporary teacher of the Bible foremost. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== New pic? Current is borderline ridiculing ==
	7 May 2008
	The annotations (link) editorialize as detractor and critic, but they do not provide unbiased encyclopedic/biographical content. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			The current image of Camping is highly unflattering. The face looks grumpy and half-asleep, the raised finger gives an impression of "annoying know-it-all", and the bible in the foreground only adds to create a persona of "crazed old man". I'm by no means a supporter of his teachings and am a convinced atheist, but the picture appears to be some sort of atheist propaganda is outright rude to this deceased man.<br/>This is a non-free image, so why not choose something that would depict the man in a serious and encyc manner? We could try finding another image, or just remove it entirely. ] (] ] ]) 09:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
	== references: ==
			:I've gone ahead and removed the image. ] (] ] ]) 16:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
			::I have replaced the image since it is a fair use image of a deceased person. A new image should be uploaded to replace the current image instead of deleting this image. ] (]) 01:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
			:::Good point. Done it now. ] (] ] ]) 15:02, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

			== Nickel Creek song ==

			Can someone insert a reference to the song "21st of May" by Nickel Creek? Camping's prediction of the rapture is the subject of this song. It is written by Sean Watkins and the lyrics can be found on many different resources on the internet.
	8 May 2008 02:37(pst) approx. After reviewing Wiki's BLP ("Biographies of living persons (BLPs) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm."), the annotations may be considered in violation of Wiki's BLP, in addition to being unsuitable as encylopedic/biographical. Annotations may also be categorized similarly as the titles of content (audio) suggest, but they could not be accessed at this time. Additionally, annotation is detractor/editorial opinion, and contains content violating Wiki's BLP. Consequently, annotations have been removed. Redundant links listed in this site: "Major Errors in Harold Camping's "We Are Almost There"" ; White, James R. (2002). "Dangerous Airwaves: Harold Camping's Call to Flee the Church". Christian Research Journal (25.1). have also been removed. The "Articles and links opposing the Depart Out Teachings of Harold Camping otherwise known as Campingism" contains abundant Wiki BLP content violations, and therefore is removed as encylopedic/biographical reference materials/links.

			Here's one such source: https://genius.com/Nickel-creek-21st-of-may-lyrics
	controversy:
	"1994?" and the end of church (cir. 1988) subject matter was removed -- lacking Wiki BLP/encylopedic/biographical quality content/annotations. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			The song's spotify link is here: https://open.spotify.com/track/0hyhmEE6fFefO00bGN1yxD?si=rdJ8voDlSDKIfG1qOhmBWw
	== Controversy: ==

			] (]) 22:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
	"1994?" and the end of church (cir. 1988) subject matter was removed -- lacking Wiki BLP/encylopedic/biographical quality content/annotations.

	I don't understand the rationale for removing material about the end of the church age, since this is a key part of Camping's doctrine. But I won't put it back without understanding the rationale for removing it. Could you please clarify the reason. Is it for lack of a reference? Camping talks about the end of the church age almost daily on his TV and radio show, and it is an important part of his theology, i.e. he believes that God was working through churches until 1988 and then stopped doing so, and wants believers to leave churches and devote themselves to reading the Bible and living their lives in accordance with it, without the mediation of a church organization or hierarchy. Right now, the Teachings and Beliefs section of the article contains very little of Camping's actual teachings and beliefs. For example, central to his theology is the Augustinian view that salvation is the result of an irrational and unknowable grace of God and has nothing to do with any efforts, prayer etc. on the part of the believer. This is a core belief, and it has a long history in the history of Christianity. So if the article is going to be a real encyclopedia article about Camping -- and it probably should because he has many followers -- then the article really ought to contain a responsible summary of his teachings and beliefs. ] (]) 01:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)



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	Removed the duplicate link "http://www.timehasanend.org/public/en_time_has_an_end_cont.html" and the retired link "http://daysofvengeance.com/ Website that supports Harold Camping's teachings". <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== "..needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications." ==

	I have not been able to locate credible neutral, third-party biographical material of encyclopedic quality for Mr. Camping. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Located and added credible neutral, third party biographical material references of encyclopedic quality, respectively. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== What is this with the Mr.? ==

	Someone or some people keep on going onto the page and changing "Camping" to "Mr. Camping." I can't tell whether this is because the person or people doing it are trying to laud or insult him. Would whoever is doing this explain why here? In Misplaced Pages we don't refer to people in biographical articles as "Mr." or "Ms." or any such title. ] (]) 04:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

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New pic? Current is borderline ridiculing

The current image of Camping is highly unflattering. The face looks grumpy and half-asleep, the raised finger gives an impression of "annoying know-it-all", and the bible in the foreground only adds to create a persona of "crazed old man". I'm by no means a supporter of his teachings and am a convinced atheist, but the picture appears to be some sort of atheist propaganda is outright rude to this deceased man.
This is a non-free image, so why not choose something that would depict the man in a serious and encyc manner? We could try finding another image, or just remove it entirely. Gaioa (T C L) 09:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed the image. Gaioa (T C L) 16:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I have replaced the image since it is a fair use image of a deceased person. A new image should be uploaded to replace the current image instead of deleting this image. Aspects (talk) 01:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Good point. Done it now. Gaioa (T C L) 15:02, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Nickel Creek song

Can someone insert a reference to the song "21st of May" by Nickel Creek? Camping's prediction of the rapture is the subject of this song. It is written by Sean Watkins and the lyrics can be found on many different resources on the internet.

Here's one such source: https://genius.com/Nickel-creek-21st-of-may-lyrics

The song's spotify link is here: https://open.spotify.com/track/0hyhmEE6fFefO00bGN1yxD?si=rdJ8voDlSDKIfG1qOhmBWw

Scromie (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

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