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== Source == |
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https://www.firstthings.com/article/2002/10/what-is-left-of-socialism ] (]) 10:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 2010 == |
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== socialisation == |
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:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. '' |
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'socialisation' and 'nationalisation' is mentioned once, without any link or definition. The reference is incorrect (dead link) and the source is a book, so I would expect numbers of pages.] (]) 10:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC) |
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The result of the move request was: '''no move'''. Multi-page proposal doesn't appear to have generated any kind of support, and is opposed. ] (<small>]</small>) 10:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC) |
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] → ] — Consistency. Vast majority of criticism articles are using the non-plural form. See ]. <small>Relisted. ] (]) 00:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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:] is tragically not a reason to form "consistency" |
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::At any rate, ] and ] mean, from my view, that it should be plural if there is more than 1 (and by having an article i think it is).(] (]) 17:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)). |
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*'''do not rename''' The high level category is ]; lower level categories are named 'Criticisms'; many of the articles are named 'criticisms' and a sampling of the ones that are named 'criticism' show they offer multiple criticisms not just one about the subject in question. These criticism articles are the ones that should be changed, should be made plural. ] (]) 05:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:All category names are plural. Also non-plurals . Skim through a couple of those, see if it changes your mind. ] ] 12:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:: First, I think ] is poorly written and needs re-thinking. Second, I see no value in using the singular 'criticism' to describe a entire series of remarks, extending over time, involving multiple subjects, multiple critics, etc. I think the singular 'criticism' is very misleading in these cases, which include all the ones you mention in your nomination as well as others I found in looking at the ]tree. Same with 'controversy' Third, I am not considering other words at this time. ] (]) 20:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I think that the titles should be "Criticism of" - this is because they need to treat the ''subject'', rather than be a list of "criticisms". "Criticism" here is a mass noun rather than a count noun. ''] ]'', <small>16:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC).</small><br /> |
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::Concur with Rich Farmbrough. --] (]) 19:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::I agree these pages should be "Criticism of...". Criticism is also more neutral than "Inaccuracies", since the allegations of inaccuracy is POV. It's attributed POV, but still POV. "Criticism" is more attributive. ] (]) 22:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Relationship with other criticisms == |
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Should ] be referenced in this article? |
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What is the relationship between ] and ]? |
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Should this article be understood as a criticism of socialism, with socialism as in ]? |
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What is the relationship between ] and ]? ] (]) 22:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Undue focus given to criticisms from Austrian Economics == |
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Why do Misplaced Pages editors let these dingbats put a mark of such unwarranted size on every page related to economics? Somebody trying to educate themselves on economics with wikipedia would assume that the Austrians are dominant, rather than largely ignored. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:28, 5 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Requested move == |
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The result of the move request was: '''pages not moved'''. No support at all for the proposal. ] (]) 11:20, 3 April 2011 (UTC) |
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] → ] — Consistency. Criticism is a mass noun. Vast majority of criticism articles are using the non-plural form. See ]. ] ] 20:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' While criticism is indeed a mass noun like "fish", its form with an "s" does have a meaning separate and distinct from the form without one. Compare "fishes". Where there are schools (or types) of criticism, the form with the "s" is appropriate. In these cases it is better to grasp at the various types of criticism that these doctrines, people, policies, etc. are heir to. As such we should encourage such articles to use the "s" in their title and to avoid having content that just deals with a single type of criticism. --] (]) 03:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. The content of most of these articles is multiple categories or types of criticism, i.e., criticism'''s'''. (''N.B.'' ]: ''"Some mass nouns can be used in English in the plural to mean 'more than one instance (or example) of a certain sort of entity'".'') They are mostly laundry lists of grievances of various opponents of the topic in question. Criticism (without an ''s'') implies a singularity that doesn't exist. While "criticism'''s'''" could be subsumed under "criticism", using the plural makes the nature of the articles clearer. This is indirectly covered by ]. ''Cf.'' ], ], ], ]. — ] 17:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC) |
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**'''Oppose'''. What Ajax said. —] (]) 20:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC) |
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'socialisation' and 'nationalisation' is mentioned once, without any link or definition. The reference is incorrect (dead link) and the source is a book, so I would expect numbers of pages.Xx236 (talk) 10:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
