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			==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment==
	== AKdH/NPOV==
			] This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ].
	I feel the quote "According AKdH,"the cartoon stands for the extermination of the Jewish people and the state of Israel" is not a NPOV so I removed it. That is simply one groups interpretation of a cartoon.] 20:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


	You're right. Although it is a shockingly racist cartoon - unless its meant to be ironic!

	== pov sentence deleted ==

	Sentence deleted:
	" Latuff's drawings are inspired by a deep jew-hatred. As every genocidal antisemite, he likes to compare the Jews to the Nazis."

	== changed picture to more relative artwork ==

	the picture in this is out of touch for the style and contents of latuff's work. so i updated it, (used with permission) ] 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

	== Not just Israel ==

			{{small\|Above undated message substituted from ] by ] (]) 16:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)}}
	Shouldn't the article point out that he's not just anti-Israel, but also anti-America and anti-McDonalds?
			== Excessive external links ==

			We now have five links in the external links section. As per ], this is excessive. See ]: {{tq\|Normally, only one official link is included. If the subject of the article has more than one official website, then more than one link may be appropriate, under a very few limited circumstances. However, Misplaced Pages does not provide a comprehensive web directory to every official website. Misplaced Pages does not attempt to document or provide links to every part of the subject's web presence or provide readers with a handy list of all social networking sites. Complete directories lead to clutter and to placing undue emphasis on what the subject says.}} Can we choose which one or two to include and delete the others?
	== Likud threatening Latuff ==
			:A Google search yields this article as the first result at the twitter page as the second, so I guess it is the most popular official link. ]]] 20:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

			== Cuckolding fetish ==
	I deleted the sentence on a site linked to the likud threatening latuff, because it gives a misleading impresion. The site doesn't really threaten him in the way which is implied.

			Before anyone revert my edit, he actually has many cartoons about this topic.
	: I rephrased it a bit so that people can draw their own conclusions. // ]

			https://twitter.com/latuffcartoons/status/842577690322501632
	== Stubbing ==

			https://twitter.com/latuffcartoons/status/842577690322501632
	I have stubbed this article since beyond the first sentence it is entirely unencyclopedic and pov. The article was more akin to something one would find in a political pamplet rather than any kind of encyclopedia. I must say that I find it hard to believe that even a unabashed partisan could write such an article. I would re-write the article, but I must admit that I am only semi-familar with the this cartoonist but it is obvious that a stub is preferable to what was present before.- ] \| ] 13:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

			etc <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: I disagree, but why don't you tell us what is "unencyclopedic and pov". It looks to the point and is well sourced. // ]
			:That's ] or borders vandalism --] (]) 09:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
	::Well sourced? I was unable to find even ''one'' ] on the page; can you point me to any that were reliable? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 03:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
			::Now I’ve linked an academic article about this. It is not original research anymore. :-) ] (]) 18:52, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
			:::this ref is worth nothing as your claim is not supported + its in a foreign language without translation. --] (]) 19:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
			{{od}} Non english sources are allowed, but it is in bounds to ask for a translation of the relevant portion. ]. {{u\|Azuizo}} Please provide a quote of the relevant section in both the original language and English. ] (]) 23:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

			: I find it incredibly racist to say that Portuguese is a “foreign” language. ] (]) 20:57, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
	::: Then you couldn't have bothered to look very hard, but why not use the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> instead of blanking almost the entire article? // ]
			::you do know this ''is'' the ''English'' wiki right? ] (]) 21:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

			== A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion ==
	::::Because it isn't only about not being properly sourced, the entire article is unacceptably pov. Unless someone rewrites the article to better abide by the npov policy, it cannot stand.- ] \| ] 07:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 00:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

			== Stance on Russia-Ukraine war ==
	In what way is it "unacceptably pov". If you feel that way you should put in POV banner and state your objection on the talk page, not just blank the article. // ]

			The article clearly lacks any mentions of pro-russian sentiment shared by the subject.
	:Your reasoning does not make very much sense. I'm sorry if you cannot honestly understand that there is anything pov in the article, but it would be clear to just about any person that this article needs a rewrite. If I only meekly stated my thougths on the talk page, nothing would happen and the article would stay in its sorry state. You obviously seem to want this so I suppose I can understand why you don't want someone to actually edit it, but that is not what wikipedia is about.- ] \| ] 08:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
			Since 2014 he made several caricatures depicting Ukrainians in a dehumanizing way,
			like this:

			https://twitter.com/LatuffCartoons/status/1504505076290891778
	:: Please assume some good faith here and state what your problems are. Just blanking the article will not help your case. // ]
			https://ms-my.facebook.com/internationalriot/photos/ukraine-antimaidan-euromaidanfrom-latuff-brasil/671544492901910/

			I, as a Ukrainian, find it offensive
	:::I don't believe that I have done anything that shows a lack of good faith, there is a difference between stubbing an article and blanking the article. It is relativley common for editors and administrators to stub an article as an interim measure to remove pov or otherwise inappropriate material until one can rewrite the article to better conform with policy. If you want the article to be full and complete you will rewrite to address my concerns rather that simply reverting me and ignoring everything that I have written.- ] \| ] 11:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

			He oftentimes dubbs the Russian narrative about "all Ukrainians are nazis", examples:
	:::: So far you haven't written anything substantial that I can ignore. Please state the nature of your problems with the article. // ]

			https://www.irancartoon.com/site/media/zartists/75a4d29f877cd51c3aba2fb049b8611b/carlos-latuff-26.jpg
	:::::The tone of the article is completely pov, passages like "Latuff decided to support the Palestinian people, through his art, against the long-term Israeli occupation" do not even carry the pretense of neutrality, while the events which could be used to portray the alternant view of Latuff that one would expect to find in an encyclopedia article about someone or something as controversial as the wider subject, are all either one sentence descriptions as in- "In Israel a local branch of Indymedia websites was sued in 2003 for showing latuff's cartoon of Ariel Sharon kissing Adolf Hitler", or are sandwiched in between praise of Latuff that gives the impression that only crazy hate-filled right-wingers are opposed to his work. While the passage- "In September 2006, a website associated to Israeli right-wing party Likud", attempts to treate a mainstream political party that is actually rather moderate as if they were extremist reactionaries. The tone of the article is totally inappropriate, since I did not write the article I was hoping that those that did would be encouaged to rewrite it by stubbing it.- ] \| ] 12:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
			https://twitter.com/LatuffCartoons/status/1181257040913686528

			From what the subject posts in social media, his Iran-China-Russia bias is obvious, and it should be pointed out in the article. ] (]) 21:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
	Let's break it down to analyse it. "Latuff decided to support the Palestinian people" Yes, the sources support that. "through his art" Well, obviously. "against the long-term Israeli occupation" Since 1967, i.e. almost 40 years. That can be described as "long-term". anyway, I have rewritten it a bit. The passage on the Likud site states what happend. It says nothing about "extremist reactionaries", altough it does say "right-wing" while they may more be centre-right. I've fixed that too. // ]

			:I agree completely and it's a shame that it's not mentioned in the article. Do you know of any reliable sources so we can put it in? ] (]) 21:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
	:You are correct to say that it describes what happens, but it describes these events in a very pov and biased tone.- ] \| ] 13:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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Excessive external links

We now have five links in the external links section. As per WP:EXT, this is excessive. See WP:ELMINOFFICIAL: Normally, only one official link is included. If the subject of the article has more than one official website, then more than one link may be appropriate, under a very few limited circumstances. However, Misplaced Pages does not provide a comprehensive web directory to every official website. Misplaced Pages does not attempt to document or provide links to every part of the subject's web presence or provide readers with a handy list of all social networking sites. Complete directories lead to clutter and to placing undue emphasis on what the subject says. Can we choose which one or two to include and delete the others?

A Google search yields this article as the first result at the twitter page as the second, so I guess it is the most popular official link. “WarKosign ” 20:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Cuckolding fetish

Before anyone revert my edit, he actually has many cartoons about this topic.

https://twitter.com/latuffcartoons/status/842577690322501632

etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azuizo (talk • contribs) 05:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

That's WP:OR or borders vandalism --Denniss (talk) 09:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Now I’ve linked an academic article about this. It is not original research anymore. :-) Azuizo (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

this ref is worth nothing as your claim is not supported + its in a foreign language without translation. --Denniss (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Non english sources are allowed, but it is in bounds to ask for a translation of the relevant portion. Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Non-English_sources. Azuizo Please provide a quote of the relevant section in both the original language and English. ResultingConstant (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I find it incredibly racist to say that Portuguese is a “foreign” language. Azuizo (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

you do know this is the English wiki right? ResultingConstant (talk) 21:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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Stance on Russia-Ukraine war

The article clearly lacks any mentions of pro-russian sentiment shared by the subject. Since 2014 he made several caricatures depicting Ukrainians in a dehumanizing way, like this:

https://twitter.com/LatuffCartoons/status/1504505076290891778 https://ms-my.facebook.com/internationalriot/photos/ukraine-antimaidan-euromaidanfrom-latuff-brasil/671544492901910/

I, as a Ukrainian, find it offensive

He oftentimes dubbs the Russian narrative about "all Ukrainians are nazis", examples:

https://www.irancartoon.com/site/media/zartists/75a4d29f877cd51c3aba2fb049b8611b/carlos-latuff-26.jpg https://twitter.com/LatuffCartoons/status/1181257040913686528

From what the subject posts in social media, his Iran-China-Russia bias is obvious, and it should be pointed out in the article. Choomaque (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree completely and it's a shame that it's not mentioned in the article. Do you know of any reliable sources so we can put it in? 84.148.208.43 (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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