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He seems to have stopped, for now. I'll keep an eye on his contribs. If he continues to be disruptive, I'll report him to the proper channel or I'll let you know how you can. For now it looks like he's been pretty petty, and it looks like he's done. --] (]) 19:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | He seems to have stopped, for now. I'll keep an eye on his contribs. If he continues to be disruptive, I'll report him to the proper channel or I'll let you know how you can. For now it looks like he's been pretty petty, and it looks like he's done. --] (]) 19:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
::We believed in the opportunity Misplaced Pages presented when it began even though it does not appear to have turned out to be what the originator intended. Many of the contributors are genuinely honorable people whose efforts to present unbiased facts are worthy of praise, But there are also those within the community who use the Wiki as their personal kingdom wielding power in an uncivil manor over those that disagree with their beloved positions in a way that dictates entries with a "their way or the highway" attitude and bantering about "sock puppetry", or "meat puppetry", like so many "them's and those" instead of using those words in the spirit to which they were intended, ''"to be used rarely and only with proof".'' | |||
::We came here because we saw an injustice being committed by Larry Dunn as he accused an honorable individual making a good faith entry (unschooled in the wiki way unfortunately) of being a liar, instigating sock puppetry, vandalism, etc., etc., simply because he asked Mr. Dunn for an explanation for his position. Mr. Dunn, in our view, has repeatedly demonstrated the worst of features both of the Misplaced Pages community and perhaps civil society. We would post his exact words, but are sure he would figure out a way to erase them and blame us or others who wish to disagree with his "I am the dictator of the wargame wiki" position accusing us of a wiki crime and having us banned to the infernal worlds. He may do that if he wishes if he needs our banishment to help him sleep better at night. | |||
::All of us that used this user name to '''"make fun"''' of Larry Dunn have apologized to him, and do so again, for our pleasure at his expense and perhaps, like those Americans in Boston near the beginning of America's fight for freedom from the tyrant that oppressed them, we will be eventually freed from the Larry Dunn's of the Wiki world. ] 15:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
Moralis, Larry Dunn has reverted an entry I made on his discussion page. I don't know procedure, but I think my entry goes to the heart of his actions, see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Larry_Dunn&diff=123313205&oldid=122615089 as it covers his statements. '''I would request your guidance'''. How can he revert my entry when I got in trouble for reverting his? I do not understand... ] 20:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Moralis, I am sure Mr. Dunn (and others) are going to get this username barred from contributing in the very near future so I want to get this information on record before he/they succeed. I know most of this has been covered on the dispute page, but I hope you will allow me to make my thoughts public on your discussion page for reference. I, and the many other potential contributors watching this debate, would hope you can pass this on to someone with the authority to act. Thanks sincerely! | |||
'''What has happened to civility?''' What has happened to welcoming new participants into the Misplaced Pages Community? Helping new contributors get started? What has happened to accepting entries as being in good faith, discussing disagreements among those with differing opinions, and coming to an agreement? | |||
'''With regard to the Misplaced Pages Wargame entries, Larry Dunn, is what has happened.''' | |||
:Here is a small example of Mr. Dunn's attitude as displayed on TMP. | |||
::The first entry is one he made regarding a new product: | |||
::''Those are very nice -- I like that their body proportions are not exaggerated like so many 25/8mm models are today.'' | |||
::Another member asked: ''Is that the real Larry Dunn!'' | |||
::To which Mr. Dunn replied: ''I agree, isn't it though! Oh wait, if you were asking a question, instead of making an excited exclamation, I'd suggest you use something called a "question mark." But then again I assume you went to school and so you know all about that.'' '''Wonderful Attitude''' | |||
Larry Dunn has made a concerted effort to keep new blood from Misplaced Pages using tactics normally reserved for street gangs, name calling and making threats to newcomers to keep his desperately need dominant position. Mr. Dunn has a history of requiring recognition which can be noted by following this link: http://members.tripod.com/~megalania/index.html to his home page about Dinosaurs and you will be greeted by his awards and treated to a site about Dinosaur modeling, kits, research, etc. that was a good beginning, but you will note the last update to this site was in March of 1998 even though he was participating in Dino conversations http://dml.cmnh.org/1998Mar/msg00086.html into the beginning of the new Millennium: http://dml.cmnh.org/2000Feb. It is interesting to note Mr. Dunn's obsession with Dinosaurs to the point of posting the television schedule in this post. | |||
::Larry Dunn wrote: A school of Carcharodontosaurus? | |||
::To: dinosaur@usc.edu Subject: Dinosaur TV Week From: Larry Dunn (e-mail removed) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:52:04 -0700 (PDT) | |||
::Here are some highlights of U.S. national television programming concerning dinosaurs, other prehistoric animals, and the scientific discussion of evolution, from high art to low trash and (theoretically) back again, all times Eastern (check local listings to confirm): | |||
::Monday, August 7/Tuesday, August 8 | |||
::The Learning Channel, Midnight Dawn of Man "Out of Africa" Paleontology student's find binds hominids in a close relationship. | |||
::Yes, that's it for dinosaur TV week. Not even any boneheads. Hard times indeed for the dinosaur tubester. Larry | |||
'''Of particular note is his announcement that he wrote a screen play to Jurassic Park 3 in this e-mail:''' | |||
:Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 From: Larry Dunn Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) | |||
:Richard W Travsky wrote: Yes, it's a go, news is starting to trickle out. | |||
:'''Well, what this does *not* reveal is that I, Larry Dunn, wrote the script.''' | |||
:So, in several summers, expect lots of tree-climbing, solitary hunting dromaeosaurs on lunch boxes. The most gripping sequence is when Allen Grant finally gets the kids to utter the convoluted "birds evolved from reptiles and dinosaurs evolved from birds." (A Taser is involved.) The last scene, set to serene music, is a lizard tring to glide like a flying squirrel, only to go ballistic into a tree trunk. Rome wasn't built in a day. Larry | |||
Mr. Dunn says a new participant to Misplaced Pages, Richard Clarke threatened him with thest words: ''...however as a full time rule publishing business I do feel that some presence on there is not unreasonable. If you persist in what appears to be a vendetta then I will be obliged to consider our position. Regards, Richard Clarke, TooFatLardies'' | |||
If Mr. Dunn considers "I will be obliged to consider our position" a threat he is truly reaching to justify the harshness of his words and deeds for here are his words following the message above from Mr. Clarke. | |||
:Larry Dunn wrote: Consider away. Meanwhile, Misplaced Pages prohibits the use of the encyclopedia for self-promotion, and those of us who want to maintain its usefulness as an informational tool work very hard to keep it that way. Of course, there are people who would prefer to insert things like "Larry Dunn is a person of no consequence" in the encyclopedia, in an article on miniature wargaming, but that is a fair demonstration of vandalistic intent. | |||
:Richard Clarke wrote: | |||
:Larry I can assure you that I have added nothing to Misplaced Pages with the exception of replacing I Ain't Been Shot Mum a couple of days ago. That was removed almost immediately. I have certainly not made any subsequent adjustments. You may note that I stated on TMP that I was in favour of WIkipedia as a source, and that I thought that it would be good if the quality of information on there could be improved. '''I have no inclination towards vandalism whatsoever. I would be interested to know how you decide which rule sets should be included on Misplaced Pages. What are the criteria that you set?''' Regards, Richard | |||
:Larry Dunn wrote: | |||
:'''You're a liar as well as a vandal.''' | |||
:Continue to vandalize wikipedia and it will continue to be reverted. Whether "this is over" is completely up to you, as you are the vandal here, not me. The anonymous accounts being used to vandalize wikipedia will eventually be blocked from editing. | |||
'''OK, here is the meat of the issue.''' Larry Dunn completely over-reacted to Mr. Clarke's legitimate questions and launched into a rant complete with threats and language that is supposed to be used only with proof '''with a new contributor to Misplaced Pages'''. A person who had honest questions '''why''' Mr. Dunn was doing what he was doing. | |||
And that is where we came in, angered at the attitude of an individual who we have come to know as someone we would not want to represent any organization we have anything to do with. The Misplaced Pages community should display the same anger at Mr. Dunn's actions instead of circling the wagons as he wants you to do because we made fun of him on his personal page that he corrected anyway. Did we vandalize his page? '''Yes!''' Did he deserve it? '''Absolutely!''' | |||
Mr. Dunn is obsessed with control and with his own importance. Having people threaten his control really rattles him, as can be seen by his reaction to Mr. Clarke's simple questions. | |||
The Misplaced Pages community can not afford to have Larry Dunn continue with his hostile attitude to anyone who challenges his authority. You are already suffering a real drop in participation and respect among members of the education community. Many professors will fail a student who uses Misplaced Pages as a stated reference for several reasons. ''The first is that "regardless of whether Misplaced Pages actually is more or less reliable than the average encyclopedia," librarians, teachers, and academics don't perceive it as credible, because it has no formal review process.'' Danial H. Pink http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki_pr.html | |||
Larry Dunn could have been helpful, or for that matter, he could have been unbiased but was instead openly hostile and defensive using the Misplaced Pages system as a defense instead of defending the truth. The truth is that Larry Dunn over-reacted and was embarrassed and angered by sophomoric attempts at humor at his expense for which our username has apologized, but his underlying attitude (that which spawned the attack against him) isn't consistent with the stated goals of the founder, Jimbo Wales, whose view of a cooperative effort is hindered by an individual who has assumed the role of the Wargame Information God. In our view, and the view of most of the 10,000 plus members of the Miniatures Page, one of the pre-eminent wargame information source web sites, Mr. Dunn needs an official reprimand, and a warning to temper his reaction to questions with civility, and to be helpful to new contributors rather than hostile. | |||
He, and every long time Misplaced Pages contributor need to welcome new participants and guide them through the process of learning how to contribute in a meaningful way. Consensus is the goal, which cannot be achieved when dictators like Mr. Dunn use the system to hinder valid input. ] 06:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Userpage Templates
Here I am acknowledging that I made an oopsie in forgetting 'subst:' in some userpage templates a few hours ago. It was late, I was tired. Sorries. If I can find the errors I'll be correcting them. Moralis 09:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Antisemitism Reversion
Why don't you join the talk page? --Aminz 01:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I will do so if it comes to that, but I don't really want to get into the debate on the content of the article. What it comes down to is that you've started and are perpetuating an edit war. That's all I care about. Moralis 01:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
You should not just appear on the page and revert. That is a revert war. Please join discussion. --Aminz 01:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- My initial reversion was because I considered your continued backup to the same version of the article (which you authored, and despite dispute) to be vandalism. In fact, I was prompted to view the page by the #vandalism-en-wp-2 channel on the Freenode IRC network, which reads an automated feed monitoring Recent Changes for potential vandalism. According to Misplaced Pages:Reversion, explaining your reversion in the edit summary vs. on the talk page is acceptable. I therefore stand by my decision not to join the fray on the talk page, as I have no desire to dedicate any great length of time to the issue, or to join the flamewar which is emerging there.
- I then decided to leave the reversion, because the version which you presented involved blanking several sections and replacing them with conflicting viewpoints. Regardless of your citation of several sources for your information, removing such huge quantities of text from the article was not appropriate. Placing {{fact}} tags would have been a much more appropriate solution, and would have allowed you to include your information without damaging the work of others. This furthered my belief that you were a simple vandal and your continued reversions were malicious.
- I do realize now that you were making a good-faith effort to improve the article, and for that reason I apologize for the conclusion which I had formerly drawn. However, because you've felt the need to continually revert and deface the article, and removed so much disputed information from it (over and over and over) I stand by my decision to revert the article. Out of respect for your request, I will be adding to the talk page a note on the edit war and a request that editors request mediation before persisting in this back-and-forth reversion, but in the meantime I'd ask that you find a way to add your content without blanking others'. -Moralis 02:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Moralis, according to the policy OR must be removed. Fact tag shouldn't be added to it. --Aminz 02:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I believe you are confused. A {{fact}} tag adds a little "citation needed" display after text where a citation would go, like this. Doing this to what you suspect is original research is proper etiquette, as you can't know that there isn't a source to support that information. Somebody might have one. You should give them a chance to show it. At any rate I've stated that I don't want to be involved with this already. -Moralis 02:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Moralis, according to the policy OR must be removed. Fact tag shouldn't be added to it. --Aminz 02:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, please study WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:V --Aminz 01:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I fail to see how these articles are relevant to the issue at hand. Regardless, I no longer wish to be involved in said issue. -Moralis 02:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Not joing discussion is a classic revert warrior sign. (→Netscott) 02:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I resent that comment, never having looked at the article before my single reversion. What happened to assuming good faith? -Moralis 02:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Therapy cap
Reposted here, went on another username of yours I think...woops.
Thanks for the notice. Please discuss specifics. Since the information is mostly derived from legislation, government agencies, and medical associations that encourage the use of their material (ie: if they lobby against a specific law). --Jbanning22
Thank you
Thanks for reporting:) Hopefully he will soon be blocked.--TigranTheGreat 09:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the backup support on my userpage. You even incremented the vandal count on my userbox. What service! Caper13 04:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Mauryan Empire Page
Hello Moralis,
I do not see how these changes qualify as vandalism. The complaint I lodged regarding how the contributors who added greek and aramaic to the languages section was also voiced by others including Pavanapuram. Greek and aramaic were hardly the dominant languages in the northwest of India, as there too a western dialect of Prakrit was widely used. This corresponds to the citation below of "The Age of the Nandas and Mauryas". To say that Greek and Aramaic were the only two other languages used in the empire does a disservice to the countless others on the subcontinent. The complaint here is that the contributors that rerevert have a track record of attempting to dilute the Indian character of the topics. That is the concern here.
Regards,
Devanampriya —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.255.116.109 (talk) 05:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
Hello Moralis,
I've only been reverting back to a previous article on account of the Languages section. I haven't been paying attention to the whole chanakya chandragupta debacle that is going on and am frankly not interested in participating in that. I think some of those changes must have slid in during the edit war. My concern is the Languages, a discussion point that had been echoed by other contributors as well on the talk page. I am perfectly fine with just that change, but a change that is indeed valid. Also, I'm not being dishonest here and was rather disappointed to see you apply that term to me. I assure that my concern here is factual validity and am not involved in removing massive amounts of material from this article. I will make the necessary edit to languages without reversion, which according to your message, would consequently not merit a vandalism accusation. I trust that this would be in line with wikipedia standards. Please let me know if there is anything else.
Regards,
Devanampriya (talk · contribs)
- I apologize if you were offended by the accusation of dishonesty; I often find it difficult to assume good faith with regards to another user who has not. I will review your edit, but I do not expect that, if you are only altering the languages section, there will be any cause for concern. Again, apologies. --Moralis 06:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Moralis,
I suggest you check Devanampriya's edit history for the Indo-Greek article... Giani g (talk · contribs)
Hello Moralis,
I just noticed the tacit accusation by user Giani G. He has confused justifiable edits (as the material posted then is not mainstream and is disputed by several schools of academics).
Nevertheless, I actually wanted to discuss the mauryan empire page again. As you will note, I respectfully abided by your point regarding the revert war and only made changes to the language section instead. Accordingly, having sought your counsel on the matter, and other users having noted them, it was my understanding that the dispute was resolved. I now see that the other user has gone back on his word and reverted those changes. I am fine with continuing the edit war, but another individual has attempted to curtail the editability of the article by adding some new template. This to me violates the aims of wikipedia, so I wanted to bring that to your attention.
I know you are busy, and this may seem like splitting hairs, but there have been a number of users who have attempted to hellenify all India related pages. I have no problem with the greeks, and am in fact a fan of the byzantine empire, but my concern here is accuracy. As sourced by one of the experts on the topic, Nilakantha Sastri, the administrative language of the empire was Prakrit. There were thousands of others, but Prakrit was used from Afghanistan to Bengal and Kashmir to Karnataka. These individuals are attempting to make Greek and Aramaic official languagues when they were not. The court language was Magadhi (Eastern Prakrit) and this was used by bureaucracy of the empire.
Your thoughts and assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Devanampriya
Yes they let JKelly know also
Maral or Lara from akhtamar.org emailed permissions@wikipedia.org for approval of all right reserved. Ararat arev 22:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Did you get my response? They emailed me first and approved. Later Jkelly told me for them to email permissons@wikipedia.org themselves. So they did and approved and let me know that they did. Ararat arev 22:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok so those 2 pictures will stay right? You wont remove them right? Thanks. Ararat arev 22:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, Thank you. Ararat arev 22:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Vandalism? Howso?
How can you call this vandalism? I was asking about a disruptive user. An admin has now, minutes later, pinpointed him as the reincarnation of a permabanned editor. See, for instance and all the admin-reverts of his edits. - Mauco 21:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: This exchange was the result of an error on my part, having confused the vandal for the vandalized and vice-versa. Please see User talk:William Mauco for more information. --Moralis 03:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Regulamentul Organic
I am not. I am reshaping the content. Dahn 01:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Moralis, plase cut me some slack. I am being told that I misused references, and am summoned on the talk page to add or explain them. I have created all of that text and am called upon to explain it. You will note that the user who added the original tag has not reverted my edits - and I had removed a sentence that wa splaced in there by me (all of the article was originally created by me). I cannot see any way out of the supposed problem than actually editing the article. Dahn 01:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for intrusion, I just want to say I am supporting Dahn in this. Those intial reverts which were rather misunderstandings (and understandable, being a featured article Dahn wanted to get it back ASAP in a tag-less state). Daizus 01:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- User Dahn has a history, and it's not of removing his own sentences...! Check out the Xenopol article
Barnstar!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
For your work on The Black Parade and helping me (and everyone else!) with Daddy Kindsoul and his stupid POV tag, I'm giving you a barnstar! Have a great day! mcr616 Speak! 00:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC) |
Glad to help. I was thinking about a wikibreak after dealing with Daddy Kindsoul and his trollish remarks on my talk page, and seeing you shut him up made my day! ^_^ mcr616 Speak! 00:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to VandalProof!
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Moralis! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Ale_Jrb 08:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Mediation of IABSM
- As I said, the notability debate is over. Isn't it? I haven't put the notability tag in since the person who originally inserted it withdrew it. As to moving on, how is mediation going to help that? Mediation deals with issues of page content.
- And it probably makes more sense for you to repsond to this question on the mediation page. Larry Dunn 21:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment from TooFatLardies
I would like to inform the mediator here that Spamjaguar has informed me that he has now been blocked from posting on Misplaced Pages, apparently at the instigation of Larry Dunn. Not really an ideal way to conduct a debate.
Throughout this whole farce I have attempted to treat the whole thing as an absurd joke. I did email Larry Dunn to ask him why he was removing refrences to our company and our products, the details of that correspondence have been seen. At all times I was courteous and polite in my correspondence with Larry, something that cannot be said about his replies.
I appreciate your input Moralis, however I will say that if Larry Dunn continues to vandalise sites by removing references to companies and rule sets based entirely on his personal preferences then I shall not hesitate to report him to the Misplaced Pages authorities to stop him doing this.
Frankly a blind man can see who is at fault here, and if Larry's sense of self-importance is so disproportionate that he cannot accept the views of the majority then we are clearly dealing with someone who is beyond reason.
Richard Clarke TooFatLardies
Comment on reactions to Mr. Dunn
Hi there. Ta for taking this on. You thought that the reaction of some of the interested parties calling for the blocking of Mr, Dunn's editing priveledges seemed a little harsh. I think that might stem not only from his comments and actions during this, but also to comments on our talk pages. Like this quote
"Stop vandalizing Misplaced Pages, as you have in your recent edit to Miniature wargaming). If you edit like this again you will be indefinitely blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Larry Dunn 19:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)"
The impression I got was that Mr. Dunn felt he had the power to do this, and as such it was a threat, it did not endear Nr. Dunn to me nor did it give me the impression that he was a fit custodian of editing priveledges. Hurcheon 19:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
IABSM - Thank you for your efforts but
You may have closed the case but Mr. Dunn appears to remain vindictive, looking at his contributions we see today this set of entries on Spamjaguar, who has apologised for these outbursts and has taken action against the account user who made them. http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Spamjaguar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hurcheon (talk • contribs) 23:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC). oops, sorry, forgot to sign Hurcheon 04:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I have apologized for my username's actions, no matter how funny they were, against Mr. Dunn's user page. His actions after that public apology speaks volumes about his true nature. It appears he has decided to continue to behave in a way that goes against the ideals of Misplaced Pages. Thank you very much Moralis for you time and good sense, ...but I do not believe your words of reason and civility will keep Mr. Dunn from continuing with his latest vendetta. I hope I am wrong, but...Spamjaguar 23:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- If you'll be more specific about Larry's conduct, I will be happy to mediate (if possible) or, if necessary, help you report his behavior through the proper channels, provided it does violate policy. --Moralis (talk) 06:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Mr. Dunn, appears to feel the need to "get even" in some form or another. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Spamjaguar&action=history
- He continues unabated even after a public apology still believing, I must assume, that I am Mr. Clarke, over whose wargame rules system this whole issue began. His continued behavior indicates a basic difference between the ideals of the Misplaced Pages community and his idea of controlling what he views as his domain. I would be happy to communicate directly with you, Moralis, and provide references regarding my experience within the wargaming community both for the recreation community and professionally, but I will not, under the circumstances, provide them on this public forum. I will also explain the relevance of this last comment privately. Spamjaguar 19:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
He seems to have stopped, for now. I'll keep an eye on his contribs. If he continues to be disruptive, I'll report him to the proper channel or I'll let you know how you can. For now it looks like he's been pretty petty, and it looks like he's done. --Moralis (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- We believed in the opportunity Misplaced Pages presented when it began even though it does not appear to have turned out to be what the originator intended. Many of the contributors are genuinely honorable people whose efforts to present unbiased facts are worthy of praise, But there are also those within the community who use the Wiki as their personal kingdom wielding power in an uncivil manor over those that disagree with their beloved positions in a way that dictates entries with a "their way or the highway" attitude and bantering about "sock puppetry", or "meat puppetry", like so many "them's and those" instead of using those words in the spirit to which they were intended, "to be used rarely and only with proof".
- We came here because we saw an injustice being committed by Larry Dunn as he accused an honorable individual making a good faith entry (unschooled in the wiki way unfortunately) of being a liar, instigating sock puppetry, vandalism, etc., etc., simply because he asked Mr. Dunn for an explanation for his position. Mr. Dunn, in our view, has repeatedly demonstrated the worst of features both of the Misplaced Pages community and perhaps civil society. We would post his exact words, but are sure he would figure out a way to erase them and blame us or others who wish to disagree with his "I am the dictator of the wargame wiki" position accusing us of a wiki crime and having us banned to the infernal worlds. He may do that if he wishes if he needs our banishment to help him sleep better at night.
- All of us that used this user name to "make fun" of Larry Dunn have apologized to him, and do so again, for our pleasure at his expense and perhaps, like those Americans in Boston near the beginning of America's fight for freedom from the tyrant that oppressed them, we will be eventually freed from the Larry Dunn's of the Wiki world. Spamjaguar 15:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Moralis, Larry Dunn has reverted an entry I made on his discussion page. I don't know procedure, but I think my entry goes to the heart of his actions, see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Larry_Dunn&diff=123313205&oldid=122615089 as it covers his statements. I would request your guidance. How can he revert my entry when I got in trouble for reverting his? I do not understand... Spamjaguar 20:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Larry Dunn
Moralis, I am sure Mr. Dunn (and others) are going to get this username barred from contributing in the very near future so I want to get this information on record before he/they succeed. I know most of this has been covered on the dispute page, but I hope you will allow me to make my thoughts public on your discussion page for reference. I, and the many other potential contributors watching this debate, would hope you can pass this on to someone with the authority to act. Thanks sincerely!
What has happened to civility? What has happened to welcoming new participants into the Misplaced Pages Community? Helping new contributors get started? What has happened to accepting entries as being in good faith, discussing disagreements among those with differing opinions, and coming to an agreement?
With regard to the Misplaced Pages Wargame entries, Larry Dunn, is what has happened.
- Here is a small example of Mr. Dunn's attitude as displayed on TMP.
- The first entry is one he made regarding a new product:
- Those are very nice -- I like that their body proportions are not exaggerated like so many 25/8mm models are today.
- Another member asked: Is that the real Larry Dunn!
- To which Mr. Dunn replied: I agree, isn't it though! Oh wait, if you were asking a question, instead of making an excited exclamation, I'd suggest you use something called a "question mark." But then again I assume you went to school and so you know all about that. Wonderful Attitude
Larry Dunn has made a concerted effort to keep new blood from Misplaced Pages using tactics normally reserved for street gangs, name calling and making threats to newcomers to keep his desperately need dominant position. Mr. Dunn has a history of requiring recognition which can be noted by following this link: http://members.tripod.com/~megalania/index.html to his home page about Dinosaurs and you will be greeted by his awards and treated to a site about Dinosaur modeling, kits, research, etc. that was a good beginning, but you will note the last update to this site was in March of 1998 even though he was participating in Dino conversations http://dml.cmnh.org/1998Mar/msg00086.html into the beginning of the new Millennium: http://dml.cmnh.org/2000Feb. It is interesting to note Mr. Dunn's obsession with Dinosaurs to the point of posting the television schedule in this post.
- Larry Dunn wrote: A school of Carcharodontosaurus?
- To: dinosaur@usc.edu Subject: Dinosaur TV Week From: Larry Dunn (e-mail removed) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:52:04 -0700 (PDT)
- Here are some highlights of U.S. national television programming concerning dinosaurs, other prehistoric animals, and the scientific discussion of evolution, from high art to low trash and (theoretically) back again, all times Eastern (check local listings to confirm):
- Monday, August 7/Tuesday, August 8
- The Learning Channel, Midnight Dawn of Man "Out of Africa" Paleontology student's find binds hominids in a close relationship.
- Yes, that's it for dinosaur TV week. Not even any boneheads. Hard times indeed for the dinosaur tubester. Larry
Of particular note is his announcement that he wrote a screen play to Jurassic Park 3 in this e-mail:
- Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 From: Larry Dunn Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:55:54 -0800 (PST)
- Richard W Travsky wrote: Yes, it's a go, news is starting to trickle out.
- Well, what this does *not* reveal is that I, Larry Dunn, wrote the script.
- So, in several summers, expect lots of tree-climbing, solitary hunting dromaeosaurs on lunch boxes. The most gripping sequence is when Allen Grant finally gets the kids to utter the convoluted "birds evolved from reptiles and dinosaurs evolved from birds." (A Taser is involved.) The last scene, set to serene music, is a lizard tring to glide like a flying squirrel, only to go ballistic into a tree trunk. Rome wasn't built in a day. Larry
Mr. Dunn says a new participant to Misplaced Pages, Richard Clarke threatened him with thest words: ...however as a full time rule publishing business I do feel that some presence on there is not unreasonable. If you persist in what appears to be a vendetta then I will be obliged to consider our position. Regards, Richard Clarke, TooFatLardies
If Mr. Dunn considers "I will be obliged to consider our position" a threat he is truly reaching to justify the harshness of his words and deeds for here are his words following the message above from Mr. Clarke.
- Larry Dunn wrote: Consider away. Meanwhile, Misplaced Pages prohibits the use of the encyclopedia for self-promotion, and those of us who want to maintain its usefulness as an informational tool work very hard to keep it that way. Of course, there are people who would prefer to insert things like "Larry Dunn is a person of no consequence" in the encyclopedia, in an article on miniature wargaming, but that is a fair demonstration of vandalistic intent.
- Richard Clarke wrote:
- Larry I can assure you that I have added nothing to Misplaced Pages with the exception of replacing I Ain't Been Shot Mum a couple of days ago. That was removed almost immediately. I have certainly not made any subsequent adjustments. You may note that I stated on TMP that I was in favour of WIkipedia as a source, and that I thought that it would be good if the quality of information on there could be improved. I have no inclination towards vandalism whatsoever. I would be interested to know how you decide which rule sets should be included on Misplaced Pages. What are the criteria that you set? Regards, Richard
- Larry Dunn wrote:
- You're a liar as well as a vandal.
- Continue to vandalize wikipedia and it will continue to be reverted. Whether "this is over" is completely up to you, as you are the vandal here, not me. The anonymous accounts being used to vandalize wikipedia will eventually be blocked from editing.
OK, here is the meat of the issue. Larry Dunn completely over-reacted to Mr. Clarke's legitimate questions and launched into a rant complete with threats and language that is supposed to be used only with proof with a new contributor to Misplaced Pages. A person who had honest questions why Mr. Dunn was doing what he was doing.
And that is where we came in, angered at the attitude of an individual who we have come to know as someone we would not want to represent any organization we have anything to do with. The Misplaced Pages community should display the same anger at Mr. Dunn's actions instead of circling the wagons as he wants you to do because we made fun of him on his personal page that he corrected anyway. Did we vandalize his page? Yes! Did he deserve it? Absolutely!
Mr. Dunn is obsessed with control and with his own importance. Having people threaten his control really rattles him, as can be seen by his reaction to Mr. Clarke's simple questions.
The Misplaced Pages community can not afford to have Larry Dunn continue with his hostile attitude to anyone who challenges his authority. You are already suffering a real drop in participation and respect among members of the education community. Many professors will fail a student who uses Misplaced Pages as a stated reference for several reasons. The first is that "regardless of whether Misplaced Pages actually is more or less reliable than the average encyclopedia," librarians, teachers, and academics don't perceive it as credible, because it has no formal review process. Danial H. Pink http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki_pr.html
Larry Dunn could have been helpful, or for that matter, he could have been unbiased but was instead openly hostile and defensive using the Misplaced Pages system as a defense instead of defending the truth. The truth is that Larry Dunn over-reacted and was embarrassed and angered by sophomoric attempts at humor at his expense for which our username has apologized, but his underlying attitude (that which spawned the attack against him) isn't consistent with the stated goals of the founder, Jimbo Wales, whose view of a cooperative effort is hindered by an individual who has assumed the role of the Wargame Information God. In our view, and the view of most of the 10,000 plus members of the Miniatures Page, one of the pre-eminent wargame information source web sites, Mr. Dunn needs an official reprimand, and a warning to temper his reaction to questions with civility, and to be helpful to new contributors rather than hostile.
He, and every long time Misplaced Pages contributor need to welcome new participants and guide them through the process of learning how to contribute in a meaningful way. Consensus is the goal, which cannot be achieved when dictators like Mr. Dunn use the system to hinder valid input. Spamjaguar 06:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Guerrilla Mediation Network
I can't claim to be a terribly experienced mediator, but I've developed a somewhat inexplicable interest in it, after starting out with small disputes that never made it to MedCab. What's it take to join up? --Moralis (talk) 00:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Dear Moralis: Thank you so much for helping out! It's really very simple. There's no mediator list. Just keep an eye on Category:Guerrilla mediation cases which lists active cases (the request tag adds the talk pages to the category); and then go and mediate them on the article talk pages. It's worth noting the Guerrilla Mediation Initiative is meant to be the absolutely most informal mediation system on the planet, and so there's no fixed format the mediation takes - it's entirely up to you. When the case is finished, you remove the tag. That's all there is to it!
- We are, however, missing one vital ingredient - mediation cases. :) So, if you come across any that look like they need mediating, just whack a {{guerrilla-mediation-request}} tag on the talk page followed by your initial mediation blurb. I do, however, reserve the right to be a big bad guerrilla dictator, and manipulate things as I see fit. :-) Thanks a lot for your help, and I look forward to working with you soon. Cheers, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 01:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
RfA
I was gonna nominate you for adminship, but I just wanted to see what you thought first. Leave me a message on my talk page if you'd like to go ahead with it! mcr616 Speak! 01:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Great! I'll start the page. Best of luck! mcr616 Speak! 01:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The nom's at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Moralis. All you have to do is accept on the page. Good luck! mcr616 Speak! 01:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I don't see why you would need an entire WikiProject to back you for an RfA. It's my opinion that if you are a good editor then you should get to be a sysop. I mean, asking an entire project to back you pretty much would be canvassing. I don't think it's necessary, but if you want my help to get any of the WikiProjects to help you, just leave a note on my talk page! mcr616 Speak! 14:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Good luck
Good luck to you on your RfA. From one low-edit-count-having vandal fighter to another; Regards, ➪HiDrNick! 02:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Mediation: Eugene Ionesco
This should not have been closed. There is conclusive evidence that Ionesco himself said that his mother was Jewish. --R613vlu 13:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- There was evidently some confusion here. There had been a contributions on 5 April , and on 6 April there had been a request for a new mediator , so it would not have been appropriate to say on 11 April that it had been inactive for some time. It is unfortunate that you cannot now be the new mediator, but thank you for your interest.--R613vlu 12:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Meditation: The Anarchy Battlefield
I saw you have opened the case, thank you very much, really appreciated. I was a little bit worried as the conflict seemingly are escalating as Talk:Anarchism#Culling the source-spam and Talk:Anarchism#MFD comments requested has been instituted by one party. How are you going forward? Are you going to contact the two currently active parties of this conflict(User:Anarcho-capitalism and User:Infinity0? Lord Metroid 15:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Meditation: The Herd With Colin Cowherd
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-04-06_Colin_Cowherd STS-1 is once again running roughshod over a Colin Cowherd article and deleting sections he doesn't deem appropriate, regardless of whether they belong or not.
- I'm not sure who this IP user is. Since they only seem to be concered with posting negative opinions of me, I suspect it could be one of the users that got blocked for attacking me. STS01 20:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
BTW.. User Bluefield was blocked today for multiple personal attacks. I tried to be civil but was forced to seek help. --STS01 20:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
You are full of shit if you believe STS01 has handled the Cowherd pages correctly or done anything positive for Misplaced Pages. His edits are those of a lunatic fan and hurt the purpose of Misplaced Pages.
I'm not user Bluefield, just someone who doesn't agree with STS01's attempts to remove anything he does not agree with from the pages. If you look through his editing history, you will see that not only has he done that, but he has also vandalized many pages in the past.
The above user may be a sockpuppet vandal and has been warned. --STS01 18:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)