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This is blatant propaganda. US-friendly countries in Misplaced Pages with appalling human rights -- I'm talking tens of thousands murdered, not thousands of prisoners -- get whitewashed, while Castro gets alomst nothing but invective for human rights abuses many times more minor. <P> |
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I'm not disputing that Castro's an autocrat and puts people in jail for criticizing him. But where's the mention of Cuba's incredibly generous aid work program, which sends twice as many foreign aid workers to poor countries as does the United States, a country incomparably more rich and ten times larger? Where's the acknowledgement of the obvious American role in encouraging human rights abuses by Castro's regime? Cuba's been subjected to an American terror campaign out of Miami for decades now -- real brutal stuff, dropping germs on cattle, blowing up an ammunition ship in Havana harbour slaughtering scores of civillians, burning down a department store with a thermite-stuffed doll killing scores more, blowing up a factory right at the height of the missile crisis and killing hundreds, bombing foreign tourists who dare to visit Cuba, I could go on and on. And that's without even discussing an embargo specifically aimed at preventing food and medicine from getting to Cuba in violation of every international law and WTO rule you can think of. <P> |
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When America was subjected to the deaths of many citizens, but nothing even approaching the loss of American independence or the fall of its government, it clamped down significantly on civil liberties. If some incomprehensibly powerful country was terrorizing and starving America, do you think they'd fail to imprison people who advocate overthrowing their government? <P> |
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The attackers at the Bay of Pigs were not "slaughtered". They were defeated, surrendered, and were eventually released (with the exception of some leaders, who were executed). If Cubans tried that on Miami, do you think a single one wouldn't be executed? <P> |
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"Soviet subsidies" were far less than the economic damage done by the American embargo and did not "finance Cuba's social conditions". Cuba's citizens are still better off than many Latin Americans living under "capitalist democracy" despite forty years of murderous blockade. America preaches about the abused Cubans but struggles fiercly to prevent them actually leaving Cuba. <P> |
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America's internal documents show they decided to overthrow Castro before he was a communist and before he had nationalized anything other than phone companies and similar obvious public utilities. <P> |
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This whole article reads like a Cato Institute briefing or something. I don't know where to begin to fix it.--Anon |
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:Copyedited for ]. Factualy statements kept in and reduced the number of unneeded adjectives. --] |
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172.161.185.97, may I offer you a few tips? |
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* Register yourself with a screen name so that people know who you are. (It's free, takes one minute, and need not disclose your real name or email address if you don't want it to.) People will take you more seriously if you are not just an anonymous number. |
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* Make small changes, a bit at a time, taking care to make sure that they are verifiable and expressed dispasionatley. |
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* The net effect of putting in an adulatory para like the one you added to this article is that someone will delete it, and the useful information that it contains will be lost. Tone down your language, take out as much emotive stuff as you can, and let the facts speak for themselves. |
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If you can do these things successfully, then you can make a real contribution to this page, and to the other pages you have been editing. ] |
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The version of Jan. 3, 2003 is heavily pro-Castro. |
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*It makes no mention of Castro's forcible suppression of opposition, calling him the "unchallenged leader" and claiming that the masses "rallied behind him." |
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*It fails to mention Castro's policy of forbidding emigration (I've read reports in newspapers of Castro's navy sinking boats carrying people trying to escape.) |
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*It ought to mention the lack of press freedom, too. |
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==Net worth== |
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I see that in 2006, Forbes ranked Castro as #7 on a list richest heads of state. May we mention this? I do not wish to bother if it has already been edited out. |
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Why is Cuba's infant mortality rate only "technically" lower than the US's? If it's lower, it's lower. ] 10:19 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC) |
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:The way to deal with this is to find the figures from a reputable source, such as an appropriate international agency, and shoe the actual figures. "Technically lower" in my mind means "not statistically significant". ] 17:49 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC) |
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::Fair enough. I'll do some research. However "technically lower" still reads to me a bit like sour grapes, as if the lower figure is somehow not "real". ] 09:43 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC) |
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::: OK, figures are from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), available at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/tables/2002/02hus026.pdf. You're right that the rates are close (7.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births for Cuba versus 7.2 for the USA), but still I don't see the point of the "technically". "Slightly" I think would do the job and that's what I'm going to change it to. ] 09:57 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC) |
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What is this sentence, |
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"The publication "Forbes" valued the inheritance left by the former Cuban leader, Fidel Castro, at approximately 900 million dollars." |
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Castro's not the only name on the ballot. He's not on the ballot. Cuban citizens don?t vote in presidental elections. He?s elected by the state council. |
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doing at the end of the youth section? It doesn't relate at all with the sentence before and feels extremely disconnected. ] (]) 06:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC) |
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: The 900 million dollar estimate is mentioned three times in the article. Someone must think it is important. ] (]) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== "dictator, marxist" in opening sentence? == |
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I ask {{u|YMVD}} to discuss their desired changes to the opening sentence here rather than edit warring. ], {{tq|The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.}} ] (]) 03:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC) |
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This anonomyous user has revised the comment regarding voting. It is now factual and accurate. |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2024 == |
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in the introduction it says that Castro's Government "Advanced Economic and Social Justice" |
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this does not make sense and just sounds kind of wrong, would suggest changing it his government made "Economic and Social Justice Advancements" ] (]) 18:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Does the state council vote for anyone other than Castro? |
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] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I think the current text is clearer than the suggested replacement. ] (]) 19:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Do you have any voting results for all of the times Castro was reelected/reconfirmed by the state council? |
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== ERIKA CUBOVA COBOVA == |
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Don't you think that I know this? I don't know anyone, including grade-schoolers, who doesn't know that. |
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POZDRAVLJENI VKLOPILI SO MI ADROID IN IN DELA VELIKO STVARI MAM GOR LP 031286008 ] (]) 14:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Leaving aside the POV issues for the moment, one issue that strikes me is the amount of overlap between this article and the one on ]. Under the circumstances of a 44 year reign it can be difficult to separate the man from the history of his country. My inclination would be to use the present article to deal with what the man personally did, while the actions of his government properly belong with the other article. ] 20:33 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC) |
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I removed this: |
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"Supporters of Castro also point out that Cuba's human rights record is significantly better than many other countries in the Carribean/Latin America region." |
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By what measure? Health care? Education? Access to the essentials for survival? |
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But this certainly isn’t the case for the issues that most Westerners associate with “human rights”. The above sentence shouldn’t be placed back into the article until it’s clarified. |
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:I'm inclined to put it back in (but a little further up in the article to immediately follow and be in the same paragraph as the criticism of Cuban human rights). The existing criticism of Cuban human rights is just as vaguely worded. ] 00:53 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC) |
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In this context, human rights is a loaded slogan. If you’re going to put it back in the article, make it point out something factual. You could make it point out, for instance, better health care, education, access to the essentials, and so forth. But most contributors, beining Westerners, will associate “human rights” with political rights. And it’s a fact that this is a weak area for Cuba. |
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:I agree that "human rights" can be a loaded term, and that Westerners will tend to associate it with political rights. That being said, criticism of Cuban human rights was already there. Are you therefore suggesting that the references to the term should be removed from both perspectives on the matter? ] |
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I see that in 2006, Forbes ranked Castro as #7 on a list richest heads of state. May we mention this? I do not wish to bother if it has already been edited out.
What is this sentence,
"The publication "Forbes" valued the inheritance left by the former Cuban leader, Fidel Castro, at approximately 900 million dollars."
doing at the end of the youth section? It doesn't relate at all with the sentence before and feels extremely disconnected. Cheesesprite (talk) 06:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
in the introduction it says that Castro's Government "Advanced Economic and Social Justice"
this does not make sense and just sounds kind of wrong, would suggest changing it his government made "Economic and Social Justice Advancements" Redjarvis (talk) 18:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
level-4 vital article is rated GA-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
Not done: I think the current text is clearer than the suggested replacement. PianoDan (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)