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	Per the edit history of this article over the past week, I did a little cleanup, keeping what appeared to be the best of some of the word tweaks and new material. Cleaned up and expanded the controversies section, tossed a possibly dubious statement that had been fact tagged for quite a while, other assorted bits and pieces.

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	Comment on citations to avoid future edit wars: Overall, wikipedia guidelines prefer footnotes to inline citations, and overall it's best to follow them here. However, for the purpose of links to photographs, given that wikipedia itself has few examples but we want an illustration, I am OK with the inline links at those places only. It's a little awkward to have both forms, but if we consider the inlink links a stopgap measure until wikimedia commons has actual photos we can insert into the article, it works for me.

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	Oh, and all you Appy people, get out those digital cameras and start snapping photos of striped, hooves, mottled skin, etc... Misplaced Pages needs your help! (smile) See Commons--upload file for more info. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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	* Lede. WAYYY short. We want two or three hefty paragraphs here.
	* Citations. Lots of them. For this size I'd expect at least twice this many.
	* Gotta get rid of the external links inside the text of the article. GA will shoot you down asap for that.
	* Popular culture. GA hates these, but you can do them if they are bigger than this one. And you left off John Wayne's black appy that's in a couple of films with him! Might also mention the appy son of Secretariat.
	* Consider starting a ApHC article and move some of that stuff over there. It'll look neater and you can prune some of the external links over there too.
	* Try to expand the first two subsections of the History section. Or combine them. Right now they are so short, they overpower the Nez Perce sections and make them look too big
	* Consider an "influences on other breeds" or "influences from other breeds" section.
	* Uses section. Also explain the costume class they used to have.
	* Im pretty sure the license plate is wrongly tagged on Commons. The tag that is on it only applies to the Federal gov, and the plate is from a state gov.
	* If the weather ever gets warm AND sunny here, I'll trek to the stable and take some shots. Couple of appys there.

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	I'm just dead dog tired tonight. I'll try to throw some fact tags at places and throw some citations up tomorrow. And comb over this more thoroughly. It's not that far off, honestly. Clean up clean up clean up. That's the main thing.] \| ] 04:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 14:15, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	::OK, get a good night's sleep! What's your position on footnotes in the lead section, and to what extent do you recommend "parroting" info that appears later on? (i.e. taking the first sentence of various sections almost verbatim...Intros are the bane of my existence) ]<sup>]</sup> 05:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::I have good luck with taking a sentence from most every paragraph, although it may not be the first sentence. Sometimes I'll chose a particularly juicy piece to put up top. Of course, most of my GAs have been medieval bishops, so juicy is relative. I usually write the lede shortly before i submit to GA. I only footnote direct quotations, and have only had one (out of ten) GA's request a footnote for anything but a quotation in the lede. Thick ledes get you brownie points, when I review. I think 7/8s of the review's I've done have had to have the lede bulked up. They aren't just the bane of your existence. ] \| ] 05:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::There is an ApHC article already started. It had been wikilinked farther down the article, but I also wikilinked it when it's first mentioned in the history section. I'm not totally sure what information should be moved over there, but just putting it out there that it does exist. Also, since GA's seem to prohibit in-text photo links, is it allright that I go through and take them all out? Montana, I know you said on your talk page that there'd been an argument over them...but if we want GA? ] (]) 13:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::::I'd think the external links to the ApHC affliates would be good over on the ApHC article. Maybe the ApHC site itself too, but that's not quite so big a deal. Also the details on the registration should probably go with the ApHC article, with a cross link to the breed article. ] \| ] 14:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::I'm up and going to look over and see what might need fact tags now... don't freak Dana, I'm known for being a pain about things needing fact tags. If it moves, I want it cited! ] \| ] 14:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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	More stuff:
	* The "Spotted horse in America" subsection, the last sentence says "Each theory has some historical support." We can expand on that, I hope. A brief statement that about who supports each side and expanding on that wouldn't hurt pad the article out. As it is now it looks skimpy.
	* If we do an influence section, definitely mention the POA being developed from the Appy. Isn't there an Appy Sport horse registry? And the AraAppaloosa?
	More as I think of it. ] \| ] 14:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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	Okies, found some articles and my whopping two books on the Appy. I'll try to get some of this stuff into the article this evening. Gotta go run errands first. Whee. ] \| ] 20:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

	:And entered. Added some data. There is a GREAT shot of an Appy in a pre-WWI circus tent for the Barnun & Bailey folks that I'll try to scan in soon, as well as a great one of the same time frame in a Roman standing circus act. ] \| ] 00:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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			It's really bad form to call someone a "bad editor". This is a featured article - it should use high quality sources - not just . Per page from OED, it doesn't appear that the guy is a recognized expert in the etomological field - so he probably doesn't even meet the ] requirement. The origins of the word are actually in the history section with much better sources already - so please gain consensus that the addition meets the high quality requirement for a featured article. ] (]) 17:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
			:Well, {{u\|Ealdgyth}}, I have to say that it made me smile a little to see one of our absolutely best editors called "bad" for making a good edit. The derivation of the word is surely not as clear-cut or as simple as {{u\|Kazvorpal\|the edit-warring editor}} seems to believe, but perhaps not as straightforward as our article suggests either. Specifically, the (the dictionary of reference for the kind of English I speak) gives it as "... ''Opelousa'', place-name in Louisiana, or ... ''Palouse River'', Idaho, U.S.A.". I don't know what Webster dictionary is online (it looks pretty infantile), but it gives "origin unknown"; my small ''Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary'' gives "... probably from ''Palouse''". We should also probably mention that the word dates from no earlier than 1920. ] (]) 19:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: If you think that it's good editing to commit wholesale removal of valid, mainstream content simply because one doesn't like the entirely reasonable source citation, instead of adding some tag for improvement, then you're no judge of who is a good editor. This is a bad habit that originates with Wikilawyering to censor content that an editor doesn't like even though it's true. The actual standard for Misplaced Pages is not wholesale removal unless content is clearly false or irrelevant. As noted above, there's nothing in the etymology I added that's even new to the article, it's just a properly-headlined etymology section to make finding it easier. That relative newbies have normalized wikilawyering is one of the worst things ever to happen to Misplaced Pages. — ] (]) 19:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::Kaz, this is not reliably “valid” and absolutely not “mainstream.” And putting an etymology section first is undue weight when we are talking about an animal. The word origins are properly placed in the history section, as the context matters. (And dude, You’ve only edited about 15 months longer than I havej. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::The origins of the word “Appaloosa” being derived from the ] and ] is undisputed, except apparently by whatever fool thinks Louisiana or any part of Choctaw country is anywhere close to the Idaho/Washington region. Occasionally, I have seen other theories put out there for other words with origins in the western United States. But this one is... pure nonsense. I would be quite curious where the OED sourced their information. I do wonder if it’s worth looking into the word “Palouse,” as it was not the people’s own name for themselves, like the Sioux/Lakota issue, the popular name was actually derived from some other source entirely. But that is a different rabbit hole. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
			{{od}}As a follow up, the most reliable source for the breed name is that of the breed registry that first used the name “Appaloosa”, formed in 1938. unequivocally states, “English-speakers called these horses Palouse horses, or some derivation thereof, after the Palouse River that ran through what was once Nez Perce lands.” People can certainly discuss the etymology of “Palouse” in some article other than this one, but I hope this settles the matter. “A Palouse horse” or “a ‘palousey horse’ became...”Appaloosa.” ]<sup>]</sup> 04:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
			:Assuming all of that is correct, it only proves my central point, which is that removing the entire Etymology section ''was bad editing'', the correct course of action would be to fix it. As usual, improving the article does not mean removing, wholesale, parts that need to be improved. That bad habit, as I said, originates with editors of bad motivation, who didn't want George Bush's drug charges in an article, or Clinton's sexual assault, or whatever. That relative newcomers have gotten the false impression this is the normal and proper way to edit the site is a degredation of editing standards. — ] (]) 22:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::Kaz, you are criticizing an editor who is an admin with over a decade of experience here. Plus she was on the team that made this a featured article. Your etymology section might be useful for the ] article, as to the origins of that word, but not here. The origin of the name is explained in the article, and the Appaloosa Horse Club is the definitive source on the history of their decision to use the “Appaloosa” moniker as opposed to “Palousey” or “Palouse horse” or whatever other options were once under consideration. To the extent that the OED is cautious, that’s their job, but even they know better than to put a Choctaw origin to a Pacific Northwest name. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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It's really bad form to call someone a "bad editor". This is a featured article - it should use high quality sources - not just "sufficiently reliable". Per this "about me" page from OED, it doesn't appear that the guy is a recognized expert in the etomological field - so he probably doesn't even meet the WP:RS requirement. The origins of the word are actually in the history section with much better sources already - so please gain consensus that the addition meets the high quality requirement for a featured article. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, Ealdgyth, I have to say that it made me smile a little to see one of our absolutely best editors called "bad" for making a good edit. The derivation of the word is surely not as clear-cut or as simple as the edit-warring editor seems to believe, but perhaps not as straightforward as our article suggests either. Specifically, the OED (the dictionary of reference for the kind of English I speak) gives it as "... Opelousa, place-name in Louisiana, or ... Palouse River, Idaho, U.S.A.". I don't know what Webster dictionary is online here (it looks pretty infantile), but it gives "origin unknown"; my small Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary gives "... probably from Palouse". We should also probably mention that the word dates from no earlier than 1920. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

If you think that it's good editing to commit wholesale removal of valid, mainstream content simply because one doesn't like the entirely reasonable source citation, instead of adding some tag for improvement, then you're no judge of who is a good editor. This is a bad habit that originates with Wikilawyering to censor content that an editor doesn't like even though it's true. The actual standard for Misplaced Pages is not wholesale removal unless content is clearly false or irrelevant. As noted above, there's nothing in the etymology I added that's even new to the article, it's just a properly-headlined etymology section to make finding it easier. That relative newbies have normalized wikilawyering is one of the worst things ever to happen to Misplaced Pages. — Kaz (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Kaz, this is not reliably “valid” and absolutely not “mainstream.” And putting an etymology section first is undue weight when we are talking about an animal. The word origins are properly placed in the history section, as the context matters. (And dude, You’ve only edited about 15 months longer than I havej. Montanabw 04:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

The origins of the word “Appaloosa” being derived from the Palouse people and geographic area is undisputed, except apparently by whatever fool thinks Louisiana or any part of Choctaw country is anywhere close to the Idaho/Washington region. Occasionally, I have seen other theories put out there for other words with origins in the western United States. But this one is... pure nonsense. I would be quite curious where the OED sourced their information. I do wonder if it’s worth looking into the word “Palouse,” as it was not the people’s own name for themselves, like the Sioux/Lakota issue, the popular name was actually derived from some other source entirely. But that is a different rabbit hole. Montanabw 04:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

As a follow up, the most reliable source for the breed name is that of the breed registry that first used the name “Appaloosa”, formed in 1938. The ApHc unequivocally states, “English-speakers called these horses Palouse horses, or some derivation thereof, after the Palouse River that ran through what was once Nez Perce lands.” People can certainly discuss the etymology of “Palouse” in some article other than this one, but I hope this settles the matter. “A Palouse horse” or “a ‘palousey horse’ became...”Appaloosa.” Montanabw 04:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Assuming all of that is correct, it only proves my central point, which is that removing the entire Etymology section was bad editing, the correct course of action would be to fix it. As usual, improving the article does not mean removing, wholesale, parts that need to be improved. That bad habit, as I said, originates with editors of bad motivation, who didn't want George Bush's drug charges in an article, or Clinton's sexual assault, or whatever. That relative newcomers have gotten the false impression this is the normal and proper way to edit the site is a degredation of editing standards. — Kaz (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Kaz, you are criticizing an editor who is an admin with over a decade of experience here. Plus she was on the team that made this a featured article. Your etymology section might be useful for the Palouse article, as to the origins of that word, but not here. The origin of the name is explained in the article, and the Appaloosa Horse Club is the definitive source on the history of their decision to use the “Appaloosa” moniker as opposed to “Palousey” or “Palouse horse” or whatever other options were once under consideration. To the extent that the OED is cautious, that’s their job, but even they know better than to put a Choctaw origin to a Pacific Northwest name. Montanabw 20:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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