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Reverted previous edit

I've reverted the previous edit, because the "Use Your Illusion"-era refers to both UYI1 and UYI2, not just to UYI1, which is only half the era.SoothingR 09:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Since a clean version of IRS has now been leaked and so has Better...i edited it.

- Got rid of "supposed" release dates. No point in putting them up until there is a press release.

- Added that the song "Silkworms" will not be on the album, and referenced this to a recent interview with band member Dizzy Reed.

- I fixed the paragraph speculating about songs that will be on the album by removing "Silkworms", since that was contradicted by the following paragraph. Random89 01:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

In March 2006, the band regrouped at the home of Axl Rose to record a cover of the Faith No More song 'Be Aggressive' for inclusion on the soundtrack for the upcoming Texas Chainsaw Massacre prequel

What's the source for that??

• There isn't one, so delete it.

Longest article?

Is this the longest Misplaced Pages article on an album yet-to-be released?

I guess so, but the most albums that still have to be released don't take ten years to go through the production stage ;).—♦♦ SʘʘTHING 07:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

NIN is synth-pop?

Under the "Sound" subheading, the article refers to Nine Inch Nails as synth-pop. NIN is industrial rock, which sounds nothing like synth-pop. Is the new sound similar to NIN or synth-pop? Berserkeley 05:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Naming

It is quite likely that by the time the albumn is released the name of the albumn could be an actual fact rather than a political oxymoron. --mitrebox 03:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Press release

Axl Rose and producers said there would probably be no warning when the album hits the shops. Although the producer gave a hint which has made peolple believe the 21st.

'If at all'

Could anyone considering changing the second sentence from 'When the album is finally released' to 'When, if at all, the album is finally released' please not! It seems pretty obvious that it will actually be released reasonably soon. While I'm here could I also suggest we agree on a genre, because that seems to be changed at least once a week. I think we should just leave it as Hard rock. Tangerine 03 12:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It **does not** seem pretty obvious the album is coming soon. i know you people love Axl, but give up the dream. Until it actually does come, let's assume it's not coming. -Hoshq

Don't be stupid, if the "$13 million" estimate is even remotely correct, then the album will have to be released just to avoid bankruptcy. And if it doesn't get released, then what will Axl do? He's been working on it for so long that his name will become a joke, or at least more so than it already is.

Broken/Any Given Sunday

Removed "Broken" from the rumoured titles, as it has supposedly been confirmed. Also mentioned in the leaks section that "Any Given Sunday" is just an unused track from the Use Your Illusion sessions.

Release Rumour

Removed the rumour that the album will be released on 12-12-06. Unless there are direct-quotes from reliable sources (i.e., Axl Rose himself, or the band's management), no 'possible release dates' should be posted. - Cig

Recording date

I don't think Guns N' Roses started recording this album in 1994 because their original members Slash and Duff McKagan were still in the band at that time. They didn't leave the band until 1996. Read part of Chinese_Democracy#Production_and_collaboration. Screamin' Johnny 04:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't really matter what you "think" (no offense intended, but it's the truth). Misplaced Pages only wants information that is verifiable, so don't go changing dates to something you "think" is correct. You don't have all your info correct anyways - Duff didn't quit until August of 1997. And according to this article in the New York Times, Axl began recording in 1994.. Thanks Yankees76 07:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

ah but the album recorded in 1994 wasnt chinese democracy, that was a seperate album which wen all the orignal members left, was scrapped and turned into a chinese democracy, i dnt belive any of the songs created in thoses sessions still exists.--77.97.136.18 15:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Supposedly, but as per WP:VERIFY the threshold for inclusion of material to Misplaced Pages is verifiablity. If you can find a reliable source that says all of this, then we're on to something. Until then the starting year of recording is 1994. Yankees76 05:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

where is your sources that the recording started in 1994? if we should have proof then you should have it too. all you have is one article as a "source". thats questionable at best. oh and once again, you don't own wikipedia so you can stop giving people attitudes. thanks for deleting my other contribution but you're still a (personal attack removed). deleteing things to make yourself look better won't change that. 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually I removed a personal attack - and I was nice enough not to tag your talk page with a warning for it. However I will now for the one above since you insist on attacking other editors. Continue this type of behaviour and you'll end up blocked. Also with regards to tabbing the New York Times as a "questionable source" - please review again Misplaced Pages's policy on verifiability and the guidelines for what constitutes a reliable source. Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The Times is a credible published source with a reliable publication process. You're more than welcome to introduce a source that states the album began at a different date - however saying that you "think" or you "beleive" something to be a fact is considered original research, and Misplaced Pages is not a publisher of original thought. Yankees76 23:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Silkworms

I'm dropping Silkworms, because unless there is a link that is verifiable as Sanctuary or Geffen Records 100% then Silkworms is still off of the tracklisting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.4.60 (talk) 15:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Silkworms WON'T be on the album. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.89.165.170 (talk) 21:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Chinese Democracy should redirect to the album

I think Chinese Democracy with the D capitalized should redirect to the album instead of the Chinese democracy movement because when a second word is capitalized it always means that it's a title of something so it's more likely that when someone searches for Chinese Democracy that they're looking for the album article. Chinese democracy should still redirect to the Chinese democracy movement though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Megadeth186 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

Is this leaked??

I know there are several torrent sites that have albums labeled "Chinese Democracy - Guns N' Roses" and they have the same track listing. I'm not going to download it but has anyone else? Real? thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.237.195.219 (talk) 09:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

No, the whole album hasn't leaked. The tracks T.W.A.T, IRS, Catcher In The Rye, Better, and a small part of Chinese Democracy (song) have leaked. It's likely that the album labelled Chinese Democracy on torrent sites is just a compilation of these leaks mixed with live performances of songs which may appear on this album. Bucketheader 16:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Bumblefoot interview

Ron Thal didn't say the mixing was completed on April 2nd. He was misquoted by a magazine. Here is a link to the interview if anyone would like to hear whart he really said. http://maximumthreshold.podomatic.com/

It really ought to say "if released"

They've been saying it's coming for years, but until it actually comes it really ought to say "if released," not "when released." In the sidebar, the release year ought to say "Unreleased," not "2007," or "2006" as it said last year or "2005" as it said the year before. Yes, we want it to come, but until/if it does, there is no reliability that it will, and as time stretches on the credibility of those making it diminishes to non-existence. Hoshq 15:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it should say "TBA" in the infobox under release year, however, whenever i edit it to say that it is always reverted by someonw who thinks it's coming out in September because "all major retailers" say so, even though they've been guessing release dates for years. Bucketheader 17:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Retailers genereally fail to meet Misplaced Pages reliable source criteria anyways. Yankees76 19:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

GnR said it's out in 2007, so it should say that, whether they are notorious for bad release dates or not, wiki should still show what they say, not POV editorials. Maurauth 23:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

When did they say this? Bucketheader 00:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, they said it was going to be out on the 6th of March... - Brooza 23:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

No they/he didn't, read the letter again. Bucketheader 23:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The letter originally offered a release date of Mar. 6, but then they changed it. Really, what's so hard with understanding the idea that it's "unreleased"? That's the only real fact we have. Hoshq 15:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look at many other articles that are of films / books / CDs that are to be released in the future, they have the year as the release. Maurauth 17:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the facts you'll see there is no release date. Bucketheader 18:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The way I look at this, saying '2007' could turn out to be untrue, whereas saying 'TBA' is correct no matter how you look at it. There is no official release date, therefore it is still 'To Be Advised'. However I do think it should be 'when released', as there is no reliable source saying that it will not be released and plenty saying that it will. Tangerine 03 10:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Meh I suppose that's an okay third option: when released and to be announced. Maurauth 11:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Maurauth, that is exactly what i have been putting into the article, do you even read peoples contributions before removing them and adding your own nonsense? Bucketheader 12:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

You're reverting it to 'if released' and 'unreleased'. When released and TBA would probably be a better middle-ground solution. (No need to insult me either, I thought you gave up on that last time after vandalising my user page). Maurauth 12:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

No i don't , at least read my contributions in future. The person who edits it to say "if released" and "unreleased" is User:Hoshq. Bucketheader 12:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, at least one of the times you did, maybe it was conflicting and you didn't fix it after. Maurauth

No, i have never put "unreleased" into the article, or "if released". You're welcome to look at the edit history of 'Chinese Democracy (album), if you'd like to verify that you're incorrect.

I think you'll find you're wrong there, but it's nothing to do with the discussion, so stop talking about it. Maurauth

No i won't stop, and you are wrong; you're just an ignorant vandal. Here,, i changed "unreleased" to "TBA". Here,, i changed "If released" to "when released". In the future, when you try to start an argument at least know what you are arguing about. If you look above, you'll see that you agreed that my edits are correct. End of discussion. Bucketheader 15:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

You're the ignorant vandal, insulting me on my talk page, and writing things on my userpage, also following me from article to article reverting my edits. You have at least once reverted one of my edits, and then it was left as if released. Now, the discussion is over, if you want to talk about it use your talk page. Stop wasting the space on this page. Maurauth 15:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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