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| I'm a member, and I think that quote describes the INC succintly and perfectly. It has created its share of controversy, and mainly focuses on discrediting Presbyterian and Catholic ideology. | |||
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| Does this part sound NPOV? "Noted for its distinctive church architecture of narrow pointed spires, it is a controversial organization that seeks to disestablish the doctrines of the ], which is the predominant religion in the country." | |||
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| "and many say that the Church administration was told to stop by Internal Revenue Service agents": sounds like a rumor to me. Isn't this supposed to be an encyclopedia? | |||
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| == Can we change the registration date to July 13, 1914? == | |||
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| It is inaccurate to have their actual registration date on July 27, 1914. That is an amended registration date. Please see the source for their actual registration date, July 13, 1914. | |||
| I think there is some confusion here. Unless this is talking about a different group, Iglesia ni Christo is just "]" in another language. This article sounds like it more or less describes the Church of Christ, with some confusion from people who probably don't understand it. The Church of Christ was certainly not established in the Philippines! ] 17:29, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| https://archive.org/details/ApplicationToRegisterIglesiaNiKristoDated13thOfJuly1914/Application%20to%20Register%20Iglesia%20ni%20Kristo%20dated%2013th%20of%20July%201914/ ] (]) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| The name Iglesia Ni Cristo specifically refers to the organization created by Felix Y. Manalo. | |||
| :The Iglesia ni Cristo has maintained that they were founded on July 27 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120821051154/http://www.incmedia.org/inc/history.html), what do you mean by "an amended registration date"? Amended by whom, and when? | |||
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| :I think more information is needed on how your document was obtained and the type of document this is to verify its authenticity and the validity of the July 13 claim. July 13 is exactly 2 weeks before July 27. Thus, depending on the processes surrounding this document, it could be that it could take 2 weeks for the registration to take effect, or some legal phenomenon with a delay period such that the July 27 claim is accurate. ] (]) 18:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == HD Version of the Revised Seal? == | |||
| First of all, this group ''is'' an indigenous Filipino group and is not identical to the Church of Christ of the American Restoration Movement, which also has a major mission work in the Philippines, adding to confusion regarding the two groups. Also, both claim to be nothing more than just the continuation or restoration of the original church established by Jesus Christ; whether either group or any such group has the actual right to claim such a thing must be of needs left to a higher Authority than myself, or Misplaced Pages. | |||
| The current seal on the article is too low quality. ] (]) 03:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Second, yes, the name is no more than "Church of Christ" in Tagalog (Filipino). | |||
| :{{re|FreiGenesis}} Since I'm fairly certain the seal is protected by copyright, we'd have to replicate it using public domain assets. I'll ask a friend of a friend to take a stab at it, but it might be a while. ~ ] (]) 04:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Unfortunately that's the only publicly available file of the current iteration of the seal at the moment (without the compass and the triangular ruler).] (]) 13:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2024 == | |||
| ] 23:59, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| =="Disestablishment"== | |||
| Please update the reference for the following source: | |||
| "5. Adriel Obar Meimban (1994). 'A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: ''Cult'' in the Far East, Philippine Islands' (PDF)." | |||
| This term needs to be cut from the article in my opinion as well. This improperly implies that the Catholic Church is officially recognized in the Republic of the Philippines as the state religion, which I do not believe to be the case. "Disestablishment" is a term of art meaning to abolish a denomination's status as an official state church. Perhaps the terms "disprove" or "dispute" should be used instead? ] 00:07, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The original title of the book, as verified through the Wayback Machine, is: | |||
| == Perteinence == | |||
| "A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: ''Christianity'' in the Far East, Philippine Islands." | |||
| Does it matter that much whether a Filipino-centered group has 501(c)(3) status in the U.S. or not, or whether it endorses candidates in U.S. elections to make that a focus of the article or even merit a mention. Obviously there are Filipinos in the U.S., including members of this group, as there are in almost every country in the world, but is this really worth mentioning in an ''encyclopeida article'' about this group? Also, the alleged resemblance between its buildings and LDS buildings should either be demonstrated with (noncopyrighted) pictures or deleted IMO. | |||
| ] 00:02, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Here is the archived link for reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20110826002343/http://repository.cc.sophia.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/123456789/5124/1/200000079942_000012000_95.pdf | |||
| == This article is biased == | |||
| I propose correcting the reference to reflect the accurate title. ] (]) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| It's quite difficult to understand the INC by just leaning on what you see on the internet. While this article tries to be NPOV, certain points suggest the authors' bias against the INC: | |||
| * suggestion that the INC is a cult ("some say...") | |||
| ** Removed INC is more of a sect than a cult. The only factor which makes it a cult is the chrurch admin's power over it's congregation. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| * suggestion that the INC's chapels are copied from LDS chapels (again, "some say...") | |||
| ** Not all INC locales have narrow pointed spires. Other churches may also have spires. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| * suggestion that the INC tries to meddle with US politics ("it has tried...") | |||
| ** The INC does influence voters. | |||
| * questioning the supposed "questionable move" of publishing congratulatory messages from American political leaders | |||
| * suggestion that the INC sacrifices church unity in exchange for a tax-exempt status ("many say...") | |||
| ** It would help if someone provides sources of this. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Fixed citation. Regards. ] (]) 03:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Even publishing a magazine titled "God's Message" did not escape this absurd piece of "factual" junk. "Found controversial by some"?!? | |||
| ** Removed. I don't see any implications of the authors of <i>God's Message</i> as written from God. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 05:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I respectfully suggest that this article be placed in a disputed status. | |||
| ** The article doesn't show an outright NPOV, so it's been put under "Biased" status. | |||
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Can we change the registration date to July 13, 1914?
It is inaccurate to have their actual registration date on July 27, 1914. That is an amended registration date. Please see the source for their actual registration date, July 13, 1914.
https://archive.org/details/ApplicationToRegisterIglesiaNiKristoDated13thOfJuly1914/Application%20to%20Register%20Iglesia%20ni%20Kristo%20dated%2013th%20of%20July%201914/ 99.48.153.188 (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- The Iglesia ni Cristo has maintained that they were founded on July 27 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120821051154/http://www.incmedia.org/inc/history.html), what do you mean by "an amended registration date"? Amended by whom, and when?
- I think more information is needed on how your document was obtained and the type of document this is to verify its authenticity and the validity of the July 13 claim. July 13 is exactly 2 weeks before July 27. Thus, depending on the processes surrounding this document, it could be that it could take 2 weeks for the registration to take effect, or some legal phenomenon with a delay period such that the July 27 claim is accurate. WackyAurelionSol (talk) 18:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
HD Version of the Revised Seal?
The current seal on the article is too low quality. FreiGenesis (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @FreiGenesis: Since I'm fairly certain the seal is protected by copyright, we'd have to replicate it using public domain assets. I'll ask a friend of a friend to take a stab at it, but it might be a while. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately that's the only publicly available file of the current iteration of the seal at the moment (without the compass and the triangular ruler).Hariboneagle927 (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
"Manalo Cult" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect Manalo Cult has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 3 § Manalo Cult until a consensus is reached. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please update the reference for the following source:
"5. Adriel Obar Meimban (1994). 'A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: Cult in the Far East, Philippine Islands' (PDF)."
The original title of the book, as verified through the Wayback Machine, is:
"A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: Christianity in the Far East, Philippine Islands."
Here is the archived link for reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20110826002343/http://repository.cc.sophia.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/123456789/5124/1/200000079942_000012000_95.pdf
I propose correcting the reference to reflect the accurate title. Tagaluto (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed citation. Regards. Sanglahi86 (talk) 03:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Already done PianoDan (talk) 05:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)